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Ffs he confirmed that the sock-puppet cat character Seam, a random NPC who runs a shop, is canonically non-binary
Long autism ahead, that I'm glad I can share on here without being hunted for sport.

When I learned this, it just hit me how fake the whole concept of non-binary is even within the context of a hyperstylized game with living objects and fantasy creatures. Seam could have been read as either male or female, because the archetype kind of fits various types of fantasy characters. Seam is like a recluse wizard without a hat, or some sort of babushkat witch, either works.

Maybe it's because I see the whole non-binary thing as something young people would do, thus being kind of generous by ignoring that Kris is referred to as "they", even though I personally always see him as a teenage guy, you can even probably recall some boy from your class looking and acting like him. And this thing is an old cat-like toy. Sure, a toy, so by definition it's sexless, logically it would be more appropriate to refer to a sentient object with neutral pronouns, more so than to a human, but still, applying this logic feels forced and really fake, and an entity that is clearly an elderly creature being "non-binary" just doesn't sit right. That's just not how character design works.

Technically the whole dark world is "non-binary" in a sense that these are objects, or at the very least, creatures that clearly don't reproduce the way mammals do. Huge ton of characters from the dark world may swap their pronouns, their designs are wacky and vague enough to be read as either masculine or feminine, with elements of non-conformity to assumed gender to be brushed off as fantasy, joke, wackiness, or anything else. I can imagine Ralsei being either a boy or girl. Rudinns or Hathys can be either too, and other similar NPCs. Their overall design just works. All of them are sexless, but presenting them as anything other than male or female, regardless of how conforming to the gender they are, will always feel fake and retarded. Like with snails, almost everyone knows they're hermaphrodites, but it would be retarded to make an anthro snail character to be an intersex (with exception of that serving a major point for the story) themlet. When things are humanized, they're usually applied gender, because gendered experience is a huge part of being a human. There's no "non-binary" experience, let one the one that can be naturally integrated into the story without sounding out of place, even within an imaginary setting. That's just bad character design. Or intentional catering/blurring the lines between source material and fanfiction/assorted transformative works and parodies that by definition allow these freedoms. It's tacky.

For fucks sake, even having a character that looks like a man/woman but says they're "actually a woman/man" for comical effect, like Queen being a (drag) Queen, because she looks so comically feminine/borderline AGPish and is voiced by Toby, would have been even better than having any non-binary characters at all. Although, maybe not, these types of jokes won't fly with current political climate for both sides. The idea of making a character that looks like one age/sex group but is in reality something else for the sake of random joke or carefully selected juxtaposition can't really work anymore, and not within a woke setting full of these characters anyway. Besides, something of this sorts seem to have already happened...

Aka troon pride content with Lanino and Elnina. Which is really tiresome at this point. I really like them and they seemed like one of those rare happy straight couples with them being annoyed by polyamory on top of that is a cherry on top, but fandom basically sees them as spicy t4t straights. Were their names intentionally picked as Lanino and Elnina?
 
I hear that a lot, but I never see any proof. I'd think if that really did happen, the Deltarune Wiki wouldn't need to cite 51 instances of the game and update logs referring to Kris as "they" as some form of insane evidence
He did, but he wasn't nearly as obnoxious as you'd think. He mentioned it one time as an offhand comment and has never said a fucking word since .
 
Wonder if he'll get so into the LARP that he expels all of the gajin from the dev team and replaces them with Japs.
Well, Yuji Naka did that when his team started making Sonic 3. And that's the best 2D Sonic, so clearly it's a winning strategy.

Ffs he confirmed that the sock-puppet cat character Seam, a random NPC who runs a shop, is canonically non-binary, but he never bothered to clear up the exact same thing about the main character?
I checked up on this, and Toby never said Seam is non-binary any more than he did Kris. The game script itself goes out of its way to never have a character refer to Seam with a pronoun, and the couple citations on the Deltarune wiki for Seam being they/them is an off-hand comment by Toby in a chapter 1 playthrough livestream ("they're a good character") and in a new letter when Toby is announcing the Seam plush.
Although it could sort of be considered official, there's no tail. Should they have a large fluffy tail? Or, maybe it was torn off, by cruel and loving hands. ... anyway, by now, the tail in your mind should be stronger than anything I show you. Don't be discouraged.
Interesting.

Funny thing, there's a crack theory I've seen a few times on 4chan that Toby is hiding Seam's gender because she'll turn out to actually be the mage girl that Asriel played in not-Super Smash Bros.
 
go woke
>move to japan
>avoid broke because you live in a society with different kinds of retarded social stigma landmines you won't step on
Sadly the woke are corrupting Japan as we speak. They're already preparing cities for the incoming horde of savages refugees. Some japs have begun to self-censor and apply Westoid practices as well.
Plus I bet Toby is the kind of person that if he was cancelled on his social networks, he would be devastated.

hear that a lot, but I never see any proof. I'd think if that really did happen, the Deltarune Wiki wouldn't need to cite 51 instances of the game and update logs referring to Kris as "they" as some form of insane evidence.
I hate that constant "they" nonsense that more and more is used these days. Extra points when multiple people are in the same room, and both use "they", but of course.

When I learned this, it just hit me how fake the whole concept of non-binary is even within the context of a hyperstylized game with living objects and fantasy creatures. Seam could have been read as either male or female, because the archetype kind of fits various types of fantasy characters. Seam is like a recluse wizard without a hat, or some sort of babushkat witch, either works.
It's an elderly wizard-cat thing, I thought it was a given it's a guy.

I can imagine Ralsei being either a boy or girl.
It's a very feminine, girly boy, meant for furries, or to pull a fast one by revealing something significant about it to make you feel guilty.
Aka troon pride content with Lanino and Elnina. Which is really tiresome at this point. I really like them and they seemed like one of those rare happy straight couples with them being annoyed by polyamory on top of that is a cherry on top, but fandom basically sees them as spicy t4t straights. Were their names intentionally picked as Lanino and Elnina?
At least they're still straight no matter what. Maybe Toby mistranslated Spanish?
 
Sadly the woke are corrupting Japan as we speak. They're already preparing cities for the incoming horde of savages refugees. Some japs have begun to self-censor and apply Westoid practices as well.
Plus I bet Toby is the kind of person that if he was cancelled on his social networks, he would be devastated.
I am aware of the "Sars" invasion - but self censor as well? I imagine the Worst Koreans (South) are ahead in those terms, but I'm legitemately curious in how advanced is the cultural marxism advancement going in Japan.
And would sure suck to Troonby Fuchs to be cancelled. Oh well!
 
At least they're still straight no matter what. Maybe Toby mistranslated Spanish?
Not sure. Apart from being words that literally mean "boy" and "girl", these are names for climate phenomenons that go inline with their characters and abilities. Doesn't seem to be a mistake.

It's an elderly wizard-cat thing, I thought it was a given it's a guy.
Yeah, that's my first guess too. I just gave an example of how it might have worked as a female, depending on cultural perception or intention or anything else of that sorts. But my point still stands, there's no "non-binary counterpart" to these archetypes and likely never will be due to nature of the society, so only a binary option will make sense while non-binary feels incredibly forced.
 
Kris is too female coded in this drawing.
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The text, you goober. It changes all the instances of people referring to Kris as "them" with "him" (or "her" depending on what patch you pick)
That's petty as shit lmao. He's named after fucking SANTA. He's the little saint nick, he's kris fucking kringle. His dad already looks like a weird bootleg santa goat
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once he gets to that guys age he's just gonna look like this nigga he's even got talking deer friends you can't prove me wrong
 
That's petty as shit lmao. He's named after fucking SANTA. He's the little saint nick, he's kris fucking kringle. His dad already looks like a weird bootleg santa goat
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once he gets to that guys age he's just gonna look like this nigga he's even got talking deer friends you can't prove me wrong
Kris is gonna put leather collars and straps on the Holiday women and whip them?
 
So im guessing Gaster and Frisk where never in consideration? Kind of a shame
Assuming you’re not joking, those two names are impossible. Trying to name yourself Gaster immediately resets the game as soon as you type the last letter, and Frisk activates the fake hard mode.
That's petty as shit lmao. He's named after fucking SANTA. He's the little saint nick, he's kris fucking kringle. His dad already looks like a weird bootleg santa goat
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once he gets to that guys age he's just gonna look like this nigga he's even got talking deer friends you can't prove me wrong
Holy shit, I never pieced this together :o
 
That's petty as shit lmao. He's named after fucking SANTA. He's the little saint nick, he's kris fucking kringle. His dad already looks like a weird bootleg santa goat
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once he gets to that guys age he's just gonna look like this nigga he's even got talking deer friends you can't prove me wrong
WAIT A MINUTE. If we follow the christmas patterns, and considering the goat characters, is Kris (or any of the Dreemurs) related to Krampus? The humanoid demon who is a reverse Saint Nick with a goat hoove and a human feet and goat horns.
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WAIT A MINUTE. If we follow the christmas patterns, and considering the goat characters, is Kris (or any of the Dreemurs) related to Krampus? The humanoid demon who is a reverse Saint Nick with a goat hoove and a human feet and goat horns.
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Krampus is less a direct reverse santa and more the guy that santa sends to harass the worst kids by like pulling their ears or involuntary piggyback rides in a fucking basket but yeah Krampus being a weird fucking goatman could be an added layer of santa if you stretch things enough.

Oh god what if ralseis just protokrampus lmao
 
I will name you GAY and also FAGGOT for capitalizing UNECESSARY things you fucking JAP wannabe. Possible KIKE too.
NIGGER.capitalizing NAMES for EMPHASIS is a very common thing. For much longer than other gay shit people do, and certainly a lot better than that shit where people put exclamation points after Descriptive!words with no spaces between the description word and the word after it. You know, the shit that I just fucking did to showcase it. I HATE that SHIT. NIGGER.
 
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