Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[Takayuki Yagami]

I didn't care for people finding him sexy but the edgy badass thing annoyed me to no end, felt like everyone misunderstood his character. As for stuff within the game itself: the meta awareness of Sans got tiring after a while but maybe am Just misremembering.

My theory is that Ralsei IS the headband and Kris lost it inside the bunker some time ago. Him being a special Darkner who doesn't turn to stone and can freely travel between dark worlds is due to some special property from the bunker.

Or a special property from being made by a human, maybe? Monsters still turn to dust like they do in Undertale, so I imagine there’s something to humanity being more “real” just like in that game.

My crack theory is that monsters in general are a byproduct of whatever event made whoever wrote the prophesy aware of how Titans worked, ie. they’re Darkners that got ejected into the real world at some point in the distant past, and Ralsei is an example of the more capable darkners that humans make/made.

 

[Niggerphobe]

I wonder how Carol is going to keep her mansion after she’s done with her mayor terms

 

[Two Dollars]

I really don't get why people, even "normal people" think Ralsei is cute. He's an insufferable megafaggot.
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Hey, God of War used to not be for megafaggots. Or so I’ve heard. I didn’t play it.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I wonder how Carol is going to keep her mansion after she’s done with her mayor terms

I mean given how small the town is it's entirely possible that's not actually the mayoral mansion and is legit just her house. The fact their entire police department is 2 people doesn't exactly make me think the town is rolling in enough tax money to blow on anything more than a town hall.

(Also, while most mayoral terms are between 2 and 6 years and we have no idea how long she's been in office it could also be a lifetime gig for all we know.)

 

[fat_rat_on_the_grass]

 

[Max Free]

This is precisely why I don't buy the horns headband theory. Sure, you can say it's in Kris' ball of junk, but I just don't see it given Lancer and Rouxls being individual inventory items while one of the main protags is miscellaneous junk.

He could be a hidden item like the Knife Kris' carrying around.

I think Ralsei is perhaps a manifestation of a memory of Asriel, hence why he's present in every dark world and doesn't turn to stone, he can be anywhere Kris is without needing to be a physical item.

Pretty sure the explanation for Darkners was that they and their world is imagination gone wild for inanimate objects in the super-dark.

If Ralsei was just another item darkner, how come he seems to be the only one who knows what happens in the prophecy (barring Gerson)?

Gerson is not a Darkner, but the prophecy is just a series of books that he has written. Darkner-Items can strangely interact with each other even outside the presence of the dark world, hence so many of them know each other, and so Ralsei knows the prophecy stuff because he was carried around by Kris when he read them, or when they were read to him.

He knows the prophecy (by virtue of being part of Kris, who's in cahoots with the Knight, therefore knowing the prophecy), why bother exploring your tastes and likes if you're just gonna eventually vanish?

The prophecies never states he and his kingdom have to vanish. It explicitly talks about saving the worlds, implying the dark one.

He's still a very strange wildcard. I don't think we can make much sense out of him until later chapters reveal more.

 

[LoogerLike]

For anyone who'd like a brief plot synopsis of Deltarune so far:

 

[ruckingfetard]

Here is a crack theory

Spoiler

The forgotten egg man behind the tree is Papyrus. Because of the Undertale text that refers to papyrus as forgettable (during genocide I believe) as well as what I just learned is some art for merch that has Papyrus standing behind a similar colored tree.
Well then, you might ask, who is this mystery brother that Sans keeps mentioning that we say we know but aren't supposed to know? Well it's none other than our good font named skeleton pal:
G... Aster.

Yeah I don't know, I was just thinking of what Toby could do to fuck with the Gaster heads.

I do think the egg rooms are supposed to have deep significance to Kris so I wouldn't want that to be walked back on. Not that Papyrus can't be important or anything. I miss him.

 

[Mai]

Any good theories on why some monsters bleed? Sans bleeds at the end of his fight in UT and obviously Susie bleeds at the end of chapter 4. Only thought I have is that they’re not monsters at all but something else we haven’t learned about yet.

 

[Mai]

Here is a crack theory

Spoiler

The forgotten egg man behind the tree is Papyrus. Because of the Undertale text that refers to papyrus as forgettable (during genocide I believe) as well as what I just learned is some art for merch that has Papyrus standing behind a similar colored tree.
Well then, you might ask, who is this mystery brother that Sans keeps mentioning that we say we know but aren't supposed to know? Well it's none other than our good font named skeleton pal:
G... Aster.

Yeah I don't know, I was just thinking of what Toby could do to fuck with the Gaster heads.

I do think the egg rooms are supposed to have deep significance to Kris so I wouldn't want that to be walked back on. Not that Papyrus can't be important or anything. I miss him.

This is an interesting theory and would support Sans supposed involvement in the True Lab (Gaster saying “What do you two think?” in relation to his experiments) but I’m skeptical because of the complete lack of taking Sans seriously this far into the game.

On this topic, why does the fan base not give a shit about Alphys in relation to Gaster? She directly worked under him if Entry 17 is believed to be related to the experiments going on in the True Lab, and she obviously took over as Royal Scientist after his death, meaning she at least was a practicing scientist at the time. They must have been in the same circles and I’m sure there was communication there. For some reason Sans gets all the attention even when Alphys has been show to be a much deeper character than she appears.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

Any good theories on why some monsters bleed? Sans bleeds at the end of his fight in UT and obviously Susie bleeds at the end of chapter 4. Only thought I have is that they’re not monsters at all but something else we haven’t learned about yet.

Well for Sans there's always been two prevailing theories: "He's not a skeleton but a human" and "He had ketchup on him and that's what you cut"

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

I'm beginning to think that the reason on why Susie bleed in Chapter 4 is because maybe one of her parents is a human. Although that might be just stupid.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

maybe one of his parents is a human

Susie is a woman

Anyway, maybe it's not actually blood but rather all the red juice she drank at church.

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

Susie is a woman

Sorry, typo because of cellphoneposting.

 

[Mai]

Sorry to triple-post but this is currently the Undertale wiki page for Gaster lol

 

[Max Free]

Why should monsters not be able to bleed?

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Why should monsters not be able to bleed?

In Undertale, they're malnourished from eating primarily conjured food, so they neither bleed nor use the bathroom.

 

[Tinnitus]

This is an interesting theory and would support Sans supposed involvement in the True Lab (Gaster saying “What do you two think?” in relation to his experiments) but I’m skeptical because of the complete lack of taking Sans seriously this far into the game.

On this topic, why does the fan base not give a shit about Alphys in relation to Gaster? She directly worked under him if Entry 17 is believed to be related to the experiments going on in the True Lab, and she obviously took over as Royal Scientist after his death, meaning she at least was a practicing scientist at the time. They must have been in the same circles and I’m sure there was communication there. For some reason Sans gets all the attention even when Alphys has been show to be a much deeper character than she appears.

Because her dykening and introduction is what people remember.

Whereas Sans has the genocide fight and Gaster relation.

Going by the gaster followers dialogue it's possible that Alyphs could also fall into the machine that scattered Gaster.

She resurrected Asriel as a flower (something which happened in Deltarune with Gerson in the church world)

 

[Metallic Blood]

Why should monsters not be able to bleed?

If you ignore Undertale, in DR's Chapter 1 Epilogue, you can talk to an NPC who says "What it feels like being made of blood?" asking to the only human in town (You), so it implies that only humans bleed, or at least, a majority of monsters don't bleed.

If you don't ignore Undertale, monsters are made of dust rather than blood, with the "confirmed" exception being sans,

 

[Max Free]

If you don't ignore Undertale, monsters are made of dust rather than blood, with the "confirmed" exception being sans,

Monsters turn to dust in Deltarune, too. That happens when they die, tough. I'm pretty sure the wild variety of them are composed of different things when they are still alive.