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Associated Press
A “for rent” sign hangs on a closed shop July 13 in Miami Beach, Fla.
The gross domestic product is estimated to have shrunk by an unprecedented 32.9% annual rate during the second quarter.


Friday, July 31, 2020 1:00 am
U.S. economic collapse unprecedented
MARTIN CRUTSINGER and PAUL WISEMAN | Associated Press

WASHINGTON – The coronavirus pandemic sent the U.S. economy plunging by a record-shattering 32.9% annual rate last quarter and is still inflicting damage across the country, squeezing already struggling businesses and forcing a wave of layoffs that shows no sign of abating.
The economy's collapse in the April-June quarter, stunning in its speed and depth, came as a resurgence of the viral outbreak has pushed businesses to close for a second time in many areas. The government's estimate of the second-quarter fall in the gross domestic product has no comparison since records began in 1947. The previous worst quarterly contraction – at 10%, less than a third of what was reported Thursday – occurred in 1958 during the Eisenhower administration.

So steep was the economic fall last quarter that most analysts expect a sharp rebound for the current July-September period. But with coronavirus cases rising in the majority of states and the Republican Senate proposing to scale back aid to the unemployed, the pain is likely to continue and potentially worsen in the months ahead.
The plunge in GDP “underscores the unprecedented hit to the economy from the pandemic,” said Andrew Hunter, senior US economist at Capital Economics. “We expect it will take years for that damage to be fully recovered.”

That's because the virus has taken square aim at the engine of the American economy – consumer spending, which accounts for about 70% of activity. That spending collapsed at a 34.6% annual rate last quarter as people holed up in their homes, travel all but froze, and shutdown orders forced many restaurants, bars, entertainment venues and other retail establishments to close.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed more than 200 points down – though earlier it had seemed set for a much bigger fall.
Tentative hopes for a swift recovery have been diminished by a resurgence of viral cases in the South and the West that has forced many businesses to close again or reduce occupancy. Between June 21 and July 19, for example, the proportion of Texas bars that were closed shot from 25% to 73%. Likewise, 75% of California beauty shops were shuttered July 19, up from 40% just a week earlier, according to the data firm Womply.
Many states have imposed restrictions on visitors from the states that have reported high levels of cases, hurting hotels, airlines and other industries that depend on travel.
That has led to mammoth job losses. In a sign of how weakened the job market remains, more than 1.4 million laid-off Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week. It was the 19th straight week that more than 1 million people have applied for jobless aid. Before the coronavirus erupted in March in the U.S., the number of Americans seeking unemployment checks had never exceeded 700,000 in any one week, even during the Great Recession.

An additional 830,000 people applied for unemployment benefits under a new program that extends eligibility for the first time to self-employed and gig workers. All told, the government says roughly 30 million people are receiving some form of jobless aid, though that figure might be inflated by double-counting by some states.
The pain could soon intensify further: A supplemental $600 in weekly federal unemployment benefits is expiring, and Congress is squabbling about extending the aid, which will probably be done at some reduced level of payment.

“The risk of temporary job losses becoming permanent is high from repeated closures of businesses,” said Rubeela Farooqi, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics. “That could result in an even slower pace of recovery.”

Last quarter's economic drop followed a 5% fall in the January-March quarter, during which the economy officially entered a recession, ending an 11-year economic expansion, the longest on record in the United States.
The Trump campaign said in a statement that the GDP report reflected a period “when much of the economy was essentially closed down to save millions of American lives.”
 
Pretty similar where I am, except the younger people that love getting on their Facebook soapbox about how important masks are and "muh SCIENCE! YOU ARE A LITERAL MORON IF YOU QUESTION ANY OF THE EXPERTS EVAR! Oh, and also EVIL TRUMPHFTER if you are willing to sacrifice EVEN ONE SINGLE LIFE FOR ECONOMY EVERY SINGLE GRAMMA IS IMPORTANT REEEEE!" aren't actually really adhering to social distancing guidelines when they think no one is looking, generally only wear their masks for selfies while still going out to eat with friends, and also think it's absolutely hilarious when an article about an "anti-masker" dying of Covid comes out. They don't actually care about the masks, the virus, or the elderly. They're just being self righteous and smug, as usual, but they seem to be getting even more flagrant with their hypocrisy. I'm starting to genuinely hate some of the people I once respected or could at least tolerate before.

Exactly the same here! I actually went to my neighborhoods Reddit page to see what people were saying there. I absolutely HATE Reddit and the majority of people who post there especially in the SR for where I live and they were doing exactly what you said. Posting pics of people without masks , stories of how they have reported them at stores and in businesses. They have reported businesses where they saw a person not wearing a mask or businesses where people were standing too close for their liking. My favorite bakery had to close because of this and they were so happy it was a victory for them. The reopened and these assholes are regularly checking to see if they are obeying the rules waiting to report them again. They are evil fucks with nothing to do and all day to do it. No awareness of what this is really doing. These are people in their 20s and 30s. They are way worse than the older people I’m dealing with. It’s like some sort of badge of honor for them in their righteousness.
 
Exactly the same here! I actually went to my neighborhoods Reddit page to see what people were saying there. I absolutely HATE Reddit and the majority of people who post there especially in the SR for where I live and they were doing exactly what you said. Posting pics of people without masks , stories of how they have reported them at stores and in businesses. They have reported businesses where they saw a person not wearing a mask or businesses where people were standing too close for their liking. My favorite bakery had to close because of this and they were so happy it was a victory for them. The reopened and these assholes are regularly checking to see if they are obeying the rules waiting to report them again. They are evil fucks with nothing to do and all day to do it. No awareness of what this is really doing. These are people in their 20s and 30s. They are way worse than the older people I’m dealing with. It’s like some sort of badge of honor for them in their righteousness.
Seeing the same thing.
Like how the fuck are these assholes imagining you're supposed to eat with fucking masks on?
 
Seeing the same thing.
Like how the fuck are these assholes imagining you're supposed to eat with fucking masks on?
Holy shit that is insane! I saw similar here too. I was walking to the store past a restaurant that had outdoor seating which is allowed. A woman was eating pizza, she was the only one seated and a young man who must have been late 20s early 30s was screaming something at her about masks and she was like “ I’M EATING GO AWAY”. 🙄 How do these screaming mask people think businesses are going to survive? Are they even thinking about the fall out from this?
 
Outside isn't closed, so a cop's not bound to care about someone being out and about.

I would say that's a good thing. Means they won't be distracted by frivolous nonsense and have extra incentive to resolve the situation and ensure that the subject isn't required to take further trips outside. There is absolutely no reason they'd magically care less in this case.

Like how the fuck are these assholes imagining you're supposed to eat with fucking masks on?

You go outside, away from people, then you eat. Easy. Lots of incels manage it every day! I don't see anything remotely wrong with making sure people are wearing masks while handling food. It's literally the #1 way transmission occurs and the #1 substance the virus lingers on longer than anything else. Food shops should be taking the lead in enforcing mask-wearing practices, as they are transmission hot-spots.
 
You go outside, away from people, then you eat. Easy. Lots of incels manage it every day! I don't see anything remotely wrong with making sure people are wearing masks while handling food. It's literally the #1 way transmission occurs and the #1 substance the virus lingers on longer than anything else. Food shops should be taking the lead in enforcing mask-wearing practices, as they are transmission hot-spots.
Did you even watch the video muppet?
 
You mean the business owners who have had every opportunity to take advantage of the largest and most comprehensive bailout schemes in financial history that even idiots in some of the gaming Discords I'm part of have been able to take advantage of despite never actually having been employed?

You mean the terminal illness patients that have had their operation timetables sped up dramatically because the hospitals no longer have endless waiting lists for non-essential procedures and want to ensure the highest risk members of society are seen to as fast as possible to relieve their need to depend on other people so much?

You mean the victims of domestic abuse that every single quarantine announcement in the entire universe has included a specific exception for and the daily reminders of this fact?



It did when it was first implemented. Are you unaware of the history of sanitation or something? Entire cities were elevated multiple meters just to install these systems. Imagine every city in the modern world being asked to build the Pyramids, multiple times over. That's literally the labor equivalent that went into these projects, just so some worthless peasants would stop dying of disease that was easily preventable.
Here's a question.

When will you finally consider it "safe enough" to reopen the economy?
 
It did when it was first implemented. Are you unaware of the history of sanitation or something? Entire cities were elevated multiple meters just to install these systems. Imagine every city in the modern world being asked to build the Pyramids, multiple times over. That's literally the labor equivalent that went into these projects, just so some worthless peasants would stop dying of disease that was easily preventable.
And of course they did it all in three months to a year, and they did it the very first cholera epidemic after they became aware of the solution. They totally never opted to build it over a span of years for reasons that include the economic cost.

Now go point out where any country ever spent 1/3 of their GDP on sanitation. Although since you're just making a strawman argument, you probably don't actually know anything about the history of sanitation, how cholera works, or anything else.
 
Europe with all it's issues have had a 8-9% contraction.
That is with Italy turning into a shit show and Brexit.

I wonder why the US economy is harder hit?
EDIT:
Read a bit op on it. Strange how these things work.

While it’s true that a lot of people lost jobs, businesses shut down, etc. a good chunk of that GDP contraction was of fictitious wealth. The US has a lot of bubbles going on and some popped and deflated during the pandemic. That’s why $6 trillion in funny money got churned out: the solution is not a sustainable economy, it’s to get big line going up again! We gotta get the Dow up to 30,000 for some reason!

Here's a question.

When will you finally consider it "safe enough" to reopen the economy?

When the Democrats and various left wing parties win and they want the big lines to go up again to fund all their wealth redistribution schemes.
 
Mhm, comes down to it, we either have to accept deaths for profit, or lives before checkbooks. At which case, you reorder society on that basis. I'm more on the side of lives before the monies, but I'm openly commie scum, so go figure there. Could be a strawman as well, though I'm not sure there's much we could do to gray out between those choices.
 
I’m sure this is Obama’s fault
If that Mulatto King Nigger have brought the troops home, closed Gitmo, pull off an Eliot Spitzer and prosecute fucktards on Wall Street, use antitrust laws and regulate the banks then maybe he would have had a great legacy and not lost states. Apparently Obama was the first president post World War 2 or 1 to have a net loss of states in a reelection win.
 
If that Mulatto King Nigger have brought the troops home, closed Gitmo, pull off an Eliot Spitzer and prosecute fucktards on Wall Street, use antitrust laws and regulate the banks then maybe he would have had a great legacy and not lost states. Apparently Obama was the first president post World War 2 or 1 to have a net loss of states in a reelection win.

If he closed Gitmo, he'd have to put the prisoners somewhere else.

On our soil.
 
Mhm, comes down to it, we either have to accept deaths for profit, or lives before checkbooks.

You have to accept the deaths regardless. The lockdown was not intended to prevent deaths, only delay them so hospitals didn't get overwhelmed. And, indeed, it didn't prevent deaths from happening.

And the economy is peoples livelihoods, which is another way of saying their lives. Ruining the economy to own COVID is literally destroying lives.
 
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