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Associated Press
A “for rent” sign hangs on a closed shop July 13 in Miami Beach, Fla.
The gross domestic product is estimated to have shrunk by an unprecedented 32.9% annual rate during the second quarter.


Friday, July 31, 2020 1:00 am
U.S. economic collapse unprecedented
MARTIN CRUTSINGER and PAUL WISEMAN | Associated Press

WASHINGTON – The coronavirus pandemic sent the U.S. economy plunging by a record-shattering 32.9% annual rate last quarter and is still inflicting damage across the country, squeezing already struggling businesses and forcing a wave of layoffs that shows no sign of abating.
The economy's collapse in the April-June quarter, stunning in its speed and depth, came as a resurgence of the viral outbreak has pushed businesses to close for a second time in many areas. The government's estimate of the second-quarter fall in the gross domestic product has no comparison since records began in 1947. The previous worst quarterly contraction – at 10%, less than a third of what was reported Thursday – occurred in 1958 during the Eisenhower administration.

So steep was the economic fall last quarter that most analysts expect a sharp rebound for the current July-September period. But with coronavirus cases rising in the majority of states and the Republican Senate proposing to scale back aid to the unemployed, the pain is likely to continue and potentially worsen in the months ahead.
The plunge in GDP “underscores the unprecedented hit to the economy from the pandemic,” said Andrew Hunter, senior US economist at Capital Economics. “We expect it will take years for that damage to be fully recovered.”

That's because the virus has taken square aim at the engine of the American economy – consumer spending, which accounts for about 70% of activity. That spending collapsed at a 34.6% annual rate last quarter as people holed up in their homes, travel all but froze, and shutdown orders forced many restaurants, bars, entertainment venues and other retail establishments to close.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed more than 200 points down – though earlier it had seemed set for a much bigger fall.
Tentative hopes for a swift recovery have been diminished by a resurgence of viral cases in the South and the West that has forced many businesses to close again or reduce occupancy. Between June 21 and July 19, for example, the proportion of Texas bars that were closed shot from 25% to 73%. Likewise, 75% of California beauty shops were shuttered July 19, up from 40% just a week earlier, according to the data firm Womply.
Many states have imposed restrictions on visitors from the states that have reported high levels of cases, hurting hotels, airlines and other industries that depend on travel.
That has led to mammoth job losses. In a sign of how weakened the job market remains, more than 1.4 million laid-off Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week. It was the 19th straight week that more than 1 million people have applied for jobless aid. Before the coronavirus erupted in March in the U.S., the number of Americans seeking unemployment checks had never exceeded 700,000 in any one week, even during the Great Recession.

An additional 830,000 people applied for unemployment benefits under a new program that extends eligibility for the first time to self-employed and gig workers. All told, the government says roughly 30 million people are receiving some form of jobless aid, though that figure might be inflated by double-counting by some states.
The pain could soon intensify further: A supplemental $600 in weekly federal unemployment benefits is expiring, and Congress is squabbling about extending the aid, which will probably be done at some reduced level of payment.

“The risk of temporary job losses becoming permanent is high from repeated closures of businesses,” said Rubeela Farooqi, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics. “That could result in an even slower pace of recovery.”

Last quarter's economic drop followed a 5% fall in the January-March quarter, during which the economy officially entered a recession, ending an 11-year economic expansion, the longest on record in the United States.
The Trump campaign said in a statement that the GDP report reflected a period “when much of the economy was essentially closed down to save millions of American lives.”
 
Mhm, comes down to it, we either have to accept deaths for profit, or lives before checkbooks. At which case, you reorder society on that basis. I'm more on the side of lives before the monies, but I'm openly commie scum, so go figure there. Could be a strawman as well, though I'm not sure there's much we could do to gray out between those choices.
No.

We either force the young, healthy and fit to take a long-term hit for the old, weak and unfit; or we admit that we as a species have people living off borrowed time and sometimes Mother Nature comes around to collect their debt.
 
Again Why would he do this. The Big Banks were doing exactly what the DNC wanted.

Why in the world do Occupy Wall Street-types not get pissed at the politicians who gave the banks the legal immunity to do the things they did that led up to the bursting of the bubble in '08? Why are they not angry at them for creating an incentive structure that would guarantee banks gave out loans to people who wouldn't be able to pay them back?

I don't think Occupy was ever anything but anti-capitalism sperging. It's all that makes sense.
 
Why in the world do Occupy Wall Street-types not get pissed at the politicians who gave the banks the legal immunity to do the things they did that led up to the bursting of the bubble in '08? Why are they not angry at them for creating an incentive structure that would guarantee banks gave out loans to people who wouldn't be able to pay them back?
Because that would require the Occupy wall-Street types to take The Democrats to task and admit that forcing banks to give loans to poor black people was a fucking awful idea.

The entire "PREDATORY LENDING" shit came about because the banks wouldn't lend to black people and people called it racist.
 
I am starting to get really pissed about this. It just started to dawn on me that I'm making much less working an "essential" retail job than these people getting paid to do nothing. That's with my hours slashed, working with a skeleton crew, and not really seeing a decrease in customers. Basically, less hours, less pay, and more headache. In the beginning I thought I was lucky that I wasn't losing my job, that I was doing the right thing and not cowaring in fear of a pandemic that we knew jack shit about. But it turns out, once again, I'm just a sucker. And now they want to expand the benefits to the end of the year, while I guess I'm expected to endure the normal shit show that is the holiday season, but now with extra bullshit and death. Oh, and teachers, who once complained that they were just as vital as doctors and should be paid the same, now are just way to vulnerable to go back to work.

Sorry for the powerlevelish rant. Things like this are starting to get to me and make me pessimistic about the near future.
 
You have to accept the deaths regardless. The lockdown was not intended to prevent deaths, only delay them so hospitals didn't get overwhelmed. And, indeed, it didn't prevent deaths from happening.

And the economy is peoples livelihoods, which is another way of saying their lives. Ruining the economy to own COVID is literally destroying lives.

There's accepting them, then there's accelerating them. We're all heading for the worms regardless, whether or not we line up quicker for ol' grime reaper is the real kicker. If the only cause or reason for the lockdown was to protect and slow down the influx into the hospitals, then the advice being given out would have been similar for all age groups, rather than folk being told to stay away from family homes, grandparents, or to stay away/indoors for folk with compromised immune systems.

If anything, the fact that people depend on such a fragile thing as the economy to maintain their lives just shows how little control they have over their lives, can't work for X amount of time, you're fecked by rent and other costs as opposed to being fecked by some daft virus. Saying that, likely in the minority here with that mind set, so happy to disagree regardless.
 
The problem is cowardice. Simple as that. I said when this started we could sustain this shit for a month. Maybe 2 at most. But eventually people would have to accept the fact that life is hard and people die. What is mind blowing to me is every time you step into your car, you are many times more likely of dying due to being in that car over dying from the coof.


Yet for some reason the Coof is destroying the economy. Because people are unwilling to accept a new risk they have not already rationalized and accounted for. In short...they are cowards.
 
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