Twitter 5/24 - Chris roasts Kengle again

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I think a major difference is that religions attempt to speak to some kind of universal truth about life and society, whereas Chris' beliefs are only about him. Everything and everyone in his work exists as he wants it. There's no greater message there or code of conduct besides "everyone should bend over backwards at all times to please me, Chrisshun Wesson Chandler." Even the Scientologists managed to cook up some shit about how interpersonal conflict comes from Thetans and if we can release them, we transcend that problem.
 
No sarcasm: It's quite amusing that it's gone from "Chris outmaneuvers someone dumber than himself" to "Has Chris legitimately founded The Church of Sonichu?"
 
Chuggernaut said:
I think a major difference is that religions attempt to speak to some kind of universal truth about life and society, whereas Chris' beliefs are only about him. Everything and everyone in his work exists as he wants it. There's no greater message there or code of conduct besides "everyone should bend over backwards at all times to please me, Chrisshun Wesson Chandler." Even the Scientologists managed to cook up some shit about how interpersonal conflict comes from Thetans and if we can release them, we transcend that problem.
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I think you're only assuming that Chris' beliefs are only about him.

Chris has pretty consistently been telling people that there are higher truths to the universe, involving these stupid cartoon dimensions, and that people are shallow or naive for not considering them.

And I don't think you paid enough attention to the actual crazy shit that happened with Idea Guy. Chris wanted his religion to serve him, but he had to deal with the "reality" that it wouldn't. Like when Rosechu turned out to be a tranny. That burned him up. I'm still not sure where Chris sits with that.

There's plenty of existing human religions that are very similar to Chris' religion. Voodoo, wicca, various pantheistic religions. Shamanism especially. Chris' behaviors here are very similar to a lot of primitive people's religions. Just with a more obvious veneer of stupid because Chris sources his mythology from cartoons and not nature or whatever.
 
Hrothgar said:
No sarcasm: It's quite amusing that it's gone from "Chris outmaneuvers someone dumber than himself" to "Has Chris legitimately founded The Church of Sonichu?"
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Founding a religious group could actually help him deal with the financhu crisis (if he was smarter and better organized, essentially, weren't himself). Member fees, The Gospel according to CWC (autographed copies), seminars and correspondece courses about opening portals to different dimensions etc.
 
No_one said:
Founding a religious group could actually help him deal with the financhu crisis (if he was smarter and better organized, essentially, weren't himself). Member fees, The Gospel according to CWC (autographed copies), seminars and correspondece courses about opening portals to different dimensions etc.
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I can already see it.

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Marvin said:
Why not?

You haven't explained that.

He's got an organized system of belief (cwcville, different fantasy universes and how they interact). He's got rituals (the curseyehameha, binaural beats). He's got objects with religious significance (his medallion, his ring). He's got scripture (the Sonichu comics, which he claims to represent an actual slice of reality somehow).

Pretty much the only thing he doesn't have is followers. And I don't know, one of these days I wouldn't be surprised to hear about the First Church of Sonichu having worshippers. Heh, Chris could start giving sermons in the park.
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I know it's a fine line but if you told someone who didn't know Chris that he thinks a Sonic the Hedgehog/Pikachu hybrid talks to him, he can curse people by saying a wordplay on a Dragonball Z fighting move and his school ring is super magical most people would think it's just autistic levels of immaturity which you see more often in a 12/13 year old rather than someone approaching 40.
 
Marvin said:
I think you're only assuming that Chris' beliefs are only about him.

Chris has pretty consistently been telling people that there are higher truths to the universe, involving these stupid cartoon dimensions, and that people are shallow or naive for not considering them.

And I don't think you paid enough attention to the actual crazy shit that happened with Idea Guy. Chris wanted his religion to serve him, but he had to deal with the "reality" that it wouldn't. Like when Rosechu turned out to be a tranny. That burned him up. I'm still not sure where Chris sits with that.

There's plenty of existing human religions that are very similar to Chris' religion. Voodoo, wicca, various pantheistic religions. Shamanism especially. Chris' behaviors here are very similar to a lot of primitive people's religions. Just with a more obvious veneer of stupid because Chris sources his mythology from cartoons and not nature or whatever.
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What is the social contract that Chris' belief system lays out for people to follow, then? Native American Shamanism underscores a people's position relative to animistic forces and acknowledges their dependence on nature and the group for life, for instance. Most forms of Wicca have codes of conduct baked into them.
 
Chuggernaut said:
What is the social contract that Chris' belief system lays out for people to follow, then?
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That's not really a universal feature of a religion. There are plenty of rather anarchic religions out there. Several of them are mentioned in that post.

Edit: Or probably just basic judeo christian ethics, like "be a good person to your neighbor". But I don't think there's a mechanism in Chris' religion to enforce that, like with existing Abrahamic religions.

Chris' beliefs are more like a pantheon.
 
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Marvin said:
And I don't think you paid enough attention to the actual crazy shit that happened with Idea Guy. Chris wanted his religion to serve him, but he had to deal with the "reality" that it wouldn't. Like when Rosechu turned out to be a tranny. That burned him up. I'm still not sure where Chris sits with that.
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I wish the old guard of trolls could chase off these idea guy retards and their ideas and then press on this instead, because that was funny as shit.
 
Chuggernaut said:
I guess that's where I draw the line between religion and mysticism, then. If it's not an ethos it's just magical thinking.
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I think there's reason to lump various world religions under the same umbrella of "religion", because they've got lots of features in common. I think a central ethos is more of an anomaly of the Abrahamic faiths, than something I'd exclusively tie to the word itself. (Admittedly, the Abrahamic faiths are very influential.)

Basically, I think your average person would consider Norse paganism to be a religion, and there's not much of a central ethos there.

Edit: I think the basic definition of a religion is an attempt to explain the world in supernatural elements, along side an organized system of practices and beliefs. So Chris just dangling some lucky charms once in awhile would merely be magical thinking.

But Chris having a complex explanation for the world, that he could theoretically distill into a bible or some other holy text, is definitely a religion. One of the most autistic examples of religions that I've heard of since those dipshits put together their Harry Potter religion.
 
Marvin said:
I think there's reason to lump various world religions under the same umbrella of "religion", because they've got lots of features in common. I think a central ethos is more of an anomaly of the Abrahamic faiths, than something I'd exclusively tie to the word itself. (Admittedly, the Abrahamic faiths are very influential.)

Basically, I think your average person would consider Norse paganism to be a religion, and there's not much of a central ethos there.
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I disagree, I think Norse paganism has a pretty clear core idea: martial prowess is the most important trait and people who die are rewarded for it. The world will eventually end no matter what we do so remember life is short. It's not really any different than Abrahamic faiths where obeying property laws get you rewarded, they just prize a different kind of behavior.

Now that I think of it, a lot of pantheistic religions focus on some kind of capricious gods as a way to make the masses reliant on a priest class who interpret what they need to do to please them.
 
Chuggernaut said:
I disagree, I think Norse paganism has a pretty clear core idea: martial prowess is the most important trait and people who die are rewarded for it. The world will eventually end no matter what we do so remember life is short. It's not really any different than Abrahamic faiths where obeying property laws get you rewarded, they just prize a different kind of behavior.
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When you said "central ethos", I thought you meant that the gods specifically are laying down commandments or something close to them.

What you're describing is somewhat murkier. That's specifically a feature of Valhalla, not necessarily the only (or even the "best", however you define that term) outcome for a person/soul.

As far as religions go, Norse paganism is very non-hierarchical, compared to the very ordered Abrahamic religions we're used to. Probably most religions historically were more like Norse paganism than like Abrahamic ones.

Edit: Heh, y'know what could settle this, is if Chris just sat down and published his bible.
 
The problem with trying to define Sonichu as a religion is that it's only a piece of the belief system he has. We don't know how it all ties together in his head.

Was the multiverse and magic created by Godjesus or does this story involve Neptunia goddesses?

Is CWCville an alternate reality or does Chris believe he will ascend there upon his death as if it was heaven?

Is there a system of morality that Chris believes should be followed?

I'm willing to bet that if pressed for these answers, Chris would either already have them, or he would try to think them up.

All of that leads me to think that yeah it may be dumb, but it's religion (or at least religious beliefs.)
 
Marvin said:
I think there's reason to lump various world religions under the same umbrella of "religion", because they've got lots of features in common. I think a central ethos is more of an anomaly of the Abrahamic faiths, than something I'd exclusively tie to the word itself. (Admittedly, the Abrahamic faiths are very influential.)

Basically, I think your average person would consider Norse paganism to be a religion, and there's not much of a central ethos there.

Edit: I think the basic definition of a religion is an attempt to explain the world in supernatural elements, along side an organized system of practices and beliefs. So Chris just dangling some lucky charms once in awhile would merely be magical thinking.

But Chris having a complex explanation for the world, that he could theoretically distill into a bible or some other holy text, is definitely a religion. One of the most autistic examples of religions that I've heard of since those dipshits put together their Harry Potter religion.
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I guess one way I don’t see Chris’s ideas as a religion is he doesn’t have a creation myth or worship of supernatural beings.

Sonichu, Cwcville and the cartoon universe thing in general as far as I understand are supposed to be from a different universe, the Chris in that universe isn’t the same one in this universe for example.
 
Pickle Inspector said:
I guess one way I don’t see Chris’s ideas as a religion is he doesn’t have a creation myth or worship of supernatural beings.

Sonichu, Cwcville and the cartoon universe thing in general as far as I understand are supposed to be from a different universe, the Chris in that universe isn’t the same one in this universe for example.
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It's like heaven. People can pass between universes and Chris hopes to meet his counterpart one day.

Chris thought one of them was going to visit him at gamestop once, for example.
 
Marvin said:
It's like heaven. People can pass between universes and Chris hopes to meet his counterpart one day.

Chris thought one of them was going to visit him at gamestop once, for example.
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But isn’t it more like a different universe?

I know Patti ended up there but he referred to Patti-chan as a folklore character and not the original pet dog (This was pretty early on though so I don’t know if things have changed) so I don’t think people go there as an afterlife?

Maybe the whole thing is Chris’s coping mechanism for death since it lets him meet loved ones who are no longer with him?
 
Pickle Inspector said:
But isn’t it more like a different universe?

I know Patti ended up there but he referred to Patti-chan as a folklore character and not the original pet dog (This was pretty early on though so I don’t know if things have changed) so I don’t think people go there as an afterlife?

Maybe the whole thing is Chris’s coping mechanism for death since it lets him meet loved ones who are no longer with him?
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Chris thinks he's going to physically go there one day. He thinks he's going to shake hands with his alternate universe self.
 
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