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autisticdragonkin said:
I think that Trump is underrated
If america survived Andrew Jackson it will survive Trump
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Andrew Jackson was one of the leading figures in the expansion of the right of sufferage in our nation. He violently opposed Southern Secession even though he was a Southerner himself. He fought for his country in the War of 1812, as opposed to Trump who used his tremendous wealth and power to keep out of the war rather than actually resist the draft like Muhammad Ali. He was a loyal husband who stood by his wife and her honor even after she was revealed to have fled an abusive marriage to be with him but was still technically married at the time, bringing upon Jackson the biggest sex scandal seen among our nation's Presidents since Sally Hemmings. He took a firm stand against the idea that US states could ignore federal laws. And he was an actual self-made man, rather than the spoiled, resentful son of one of the nation's top real-estate moguls.

This isn't just a question of the times. If Andrew Jackson was transported into modern times and took over the Oval Office, he'd still be an unimaginably better President, and better person, than that toupée wearing fat cunt.
 
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...eport-neighbor-police-cops-suspicious-muslims
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GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump said late Tuesday that everyday Americans should monitor their neighbors for questionable behavior.

“The real greatest resource is all of you, because you have all those eyes and you see what’s happening,” he told listeners in Myrtle Beach, S.C.
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“People move into a house a block down the road, you know who’s going in,” Trump continued. "You can see and you report them to the local police.
“You’re pretty smart, right?” he asked his audience. "We know if there’s something going on, report them. Most likely you’ll be wrong, but that’s OK.

“That’s the best way. Everybody’s their own cop in a way. You’ve got to do it. You’ve got to do it.”
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Trump’s remarks expand on his recent calls for surveillance of America’s mosques for potential terrorism.

He also criticized President Obama late Tuesday for not monitoring the nation’s Islamic worship centers for extremism.

“There’s something going on in the mosques and other places,” Trump said. "There’s some nastiness, there’s some meanness there.

“[Why is President Obama] so empathetic on not solving the problem?” the outspoken billionaire asked.
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“I call him the great divider,” Trump added of Obama. "I am going to be a unifier. I’m going to be the best protector. I’m going to fight like hell for this country.”

Trump has pushed for escalated monitoring of Muslim Americans and their communities in the wake of recent terrorist attacks by radical Islamists and suggested a database for incoming refugees.

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria killed 130 people and wounded more than 300 others during attacks on Paris earlier this month.
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I'm finding Trump increasingly hard to laugh at.
 
*Asterisk* said:
Andrew Jackson was one of the leading figures in the expansion of the right of sufferage in our nation. He violently opposed Southern Secession even though he was a Southerner himself. He fought for his country in the War of 1812, as opposed to Trump who used his tremendous wealth and power to keep out of the war rather than actually resist the draft like Muhammad Ali. He was a loyal husband who stood by his wife and her honor even after she was revealed to have fled an abusive marriage to be with him but was still technically married at the time, bringing upon Jackson the biggest sex scandal seen among our nation's Presidents since Sally Hemmings. He took a firm stand against the idea that US states could ignore federal laws. And he was an actual self-made man, rather than the spoiled, resentful son of one of the nation's top real-estate moguls.

This isn't just a question of the times. If Andrew Jackson was transported into modern times and took over the Oval Office, he'd still be an unimaginably better President, and better person, than that toupée wearing fat cunt.
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Trump may very well be trying to repent for his degeneracy and leave a positive legacy by making america great again
 
Spoilering big wall o'text. Me sperging about "fascism" as a particular social movement and why I find unsettling similarities with the Trump campaign.

Please consider my argument before rating me autistic, pretty please. :left:

You know how "fascism", as a word, has degenerated into a catchall term for people or groups who are too controlling?

Well I try to use the term as strictly as possible, almost to the point of never using it. It refers to a very specific social movement with very specific social circumstances and consequences. So I say with some sadness that Trump's movement seems to have the hallmarks of fascism.
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To be clear as possible: 20th century fascism consisted mainly of populist movements that seeked to have a "national rebirth" of sorts, usually to ward off some perceived threat in the form of some "other" trying to destroy "civilized people". This threat could have been communists, Jews, or even other competing nations. The national rebirth sought usually was along class, racial, ethnic, or religious lines, but usually a combination.

Anyway, people are motivated by fear, distrust, and distress to seek comfort in a powerful leader or state which can protect them from the outside threat (or weed out "the other" in their mist. The result, inevitably, (usually with the help of violent gangs, strong corporate-state partnership, and suppression of civil liberties) is a dictatorial state. It is through fear and desperation that the people use a democratic process to destroy democracy.
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There are so many similarities with this campaign (the result of many historical threads, of course). You have a demagogue using, not reason, but the prejudices and fears of the people to gain support (Trump's continuous racism against "Mexicans", and recent call to have a "database for Muslims", are illustrative). Many Americans (forget the rest of the western world for now) are fearful of the threat of terrorism and ISIS... and the more irrational are plagued by longstanding racism (again, that "other" being a threat). We are just now slowly raising out of an economic slump (an anemic recovery to be sure), and people are constantly looking for people to blame.

The increasing boldness of racist violence in the US (which I do not believe is merely coincidental) is also troubling. It is for these reasons why the Trump campaign strikes me quite clearly as fascist (in the very strict sense I tried to lay out above) movement. Don't forget "Make America Great Again"... a perfect national rebirth.

Now, I do not mean to suggest that Hitler 2 is imminent. That would be silly. However, it is important to see these kinds of things pop up and be aware: democracy is very fragile... and fear and suspicion does not help it along.

Certainly the fact that Trump still maintains the lead in GOP polls (over a quarter, I think, as of writing) is an indictment of America. Sure, there are other popular stars currently (Sanders is the most obvious example, if unlikely to be nominated)... but that an openly racist egomaniac, with no political experience and nothing coming close to a rational policy position (deport 11 million illegals... defeat ISIS with "I'm not telling how" plan, etc.), can be taken seriously for this long?

That does make me afraid.
 
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Mecha-Lenin said:
Spoilering big wall o'text. Me sperging about "fascism" as a particular social movement and why I find unsettling similarities with the Trump campaign.

Please consider my argument before rating me autistic, pretty please. :left:

You know how "fascism", as a word, has degenerated into a catchall term for people or groups who are too controlling?

Well I try to use the term as strictly as possible, almost to the point of never using it. It refers to a very specific social movement with very specific social circumstances and consequences. So I say with some sadness that Trump's movement seems to have the hallmarks of fascism.
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To be clear as possible: 20th century fascism consisted mainly of populist movements that seeked to have a "national rebirth" of sorts, usually to ward off some perceived threat in the form of some "other" trying to destroy "civilized people". This threat could have been communists, Jews, or even other competing nations. The national rebirth sought usually was along class, racial, ethnic, or religious lines, but usually a combination.

Anyway, people are motivated by fear, distrust, and distress to seek comfort in a powerful leader or state which can protect them from the outside threat (or weed out "the other" in their mist. The result, inevitably, (usually with the help of violent gangs, strong corporate-state partnership, and suppression of civil liberties) is a dictatorial state. It is through fear and desperation that the people use a democratic process to destroy democracy.
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There are so many similarities with this campaign (the result of many historical threads, of course). You have a demagogue using, not reason, but the prejudices and fears of the people to gain support (Trump's continuous racism against "Mexicans", and recent call to have a "database for Muslims", are illustrative). Many Americans (forget the rest of the western world for now) are fearful of the threat of terrorism and ISIS... and the more irrational are plagued by longstanding racism (again, that "other" being a threat). We are just now slowly raising out of an economic slump (an anemic recovery to be sure), and people are constantly looking for people to blame.

The increasing boldness of racist violence in the US (which I do not believe is merely coincidental) is also troubling. It is for these reasons why the Trump campaign strikes me quite clearly as fascist (in the very strict sense I tried to lay out above) movement. Don't forget "Make America Great Again"... a perfect national rebirth.

Now, I do not mean to suggest that Hitler 2 is imminent. That would be silly. However, it is important to see these kinds of things pop up and be aware: democracy is very fragile... and fear and suspicion does not help it along.

Certainly the fact that Trump still maintains the lead in GOP polls (over a quarter, I think, as of writing) is an indictment of America. Sure, there are other popular stars currently (Sanders is the most obvious example, if unlikely to be nominated)... but that an openly racist egomaniac, with no political experience and nothing coming close to a rational policy position (deport 11 million illegals... defeat ISIS with "I'm not telling how" plan, etc.), can be taken seriously for this long?

That does make me afraid.
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Thanks a lot, now I'm shuddering and I wanna cry :/
(Well okay, it's not that extreme but your explanation really scares me. Also, it's very informative.)
 
The New York Times has a new editorial on Trump's numerous police state plans. It acknowledges outright that Trump's word is worthless, but still makes it clear that Trump lying about these proposals would be one of the better options.

I wonder if Japan's nice this time of year.

Cuck Norris said:
You know reservations are sovereign nations right?
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This is completely off-topic, but this statement is so retarded, I have to shit all over it.

Indian Reservations are "sovereign" in the same way the Korean border is "the Demilitarized Zone." There were still no federal voting rights for unassimilated Indians until 1957.
 
*Asterisk* said:
The New York Times has a new editorial on Trump's numerous police state plans. It acknowledges outright that Trump's word is worthless, but still makes it clear that Trump lying about these proposals would be one of the better options.

I wonder if Japan's nice this time of year.


This is completely off-topic, but this statement is so retarded, I have to shit all over it.

Indian Reservations are "sovereign" in the same way the Korean border is "the Demilitarized Zone." There were still no federal voting rights for unassimilated Indians until 1957.
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Really? It's dumb that my ancestors were given back a small portion of our lands? Why is that dumb? The Akwesasne territory has its own international borders and government and exists in what would be considered New York and Canada but answers to neither, how is that not sovereign territory?
 
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No matter who becomes President, it's not like the past eight years havent influenced future Presidents.

Flashbacks to 8 years ago, when we were saying the exact thing about Obama.

Man, I love this phase so much. All I really see in subtext is downright fear, the same fear me and many other Conservatives felt in 08. I just read another article about how much of a failure the GOP establishment is having trying to destroy Trump. Singer doesn't care, Rove doesn't care. Trump is too powerful, he has had decades in the spotlight, experience with critics, knows how to work his mouth (perhaps too good!)

Sorry folks, this time next year we will be heralding President Trump.
 
Ass Manager 3000 said:
I'm not sure what Obama's equivalents to Muslim lists and neighbor snitches are.
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The NSA terrorist watch list and Americans are encouraged by local law enforcement to report suspicious activity. (Then local law enforcement reports it to the superior organization if they deem it necissary, etc.)

Many Americans suspect spy agencies keep watch lists for suspicious people on the Internet, for example, suspected pedophiles, but there's no way of knowing how deep that rabbit hole goes.
 
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