Trans Muslimahs - Oppression fetishism rears its ugly headscarf

[Fapcop]

Idk man… Seems pretty cut and dry to me: https://muslimmatters.org/2022/06/21/fatwa-regarding-transgenderism/

These “muhslima” are just obvious humiliation fetichists and LARPers. Literally zero of them would ever be welcomed in a mosque or by other Muslims. It’s just online LARPing for the coooms of the most bizarre kind.

Devoutly religious people are often the biggest hypocrites when it comes to that, in my opinion: while paedophilia and the Catholic clergy are the most obvious example, the Middle East is close being, if not already, the centre of the world for alcoholism. Its my understanding that you'll struggle to find a muslim household in the Gulf (and perhaps muslim world at large) that doesn't have at least one bottle of Johnnie Walker, in addition to other alcohol.

Nah man, that’s bullshit. Sorry. Muslim countries, especially in the gulf where mere possession of alcohol is illegal, take that shit seriously.

Most of the alcohol and drugs smuggled there, is for the expatriate communities and foreign workers.

 

[YourFriendlyLurker 2.0]

Shit this thread deserves a platinum. Imagine retardation of religion meeting the retardation of gender - yeah, that's here. LGBT sympathetic to Islam are deranged but AGPs larping as muslimahs is something else. I think it grows from the heavy humilliation fetish, a subconscious (ot not sub-) internalized wish to dominate women.

 

[Tootsie Bear]

Shit this thread deserves a platinum. Imagine retardation of religion meeting the retardation of gender - yeah, that's here. LGBT sympathetic to Islam are deranged but AGPs larping as muslimahs is something else. I think it grows from the heavy humilliation fetish, a subconscious (ot not sub-) internalized wish to dominate women.

Possible. I could see them as jealous of Christian men who have submissive wives and they know they'll never be able to walk a mile in their shoes. However, Islam is even more extreme than Christianity and seeing them dressed as Muslim woman as if they're doing a demented drag show.

 

[Polska krowa]

Nah man, that’s bullshit. Sorry. Muslim countries, especially in the gulf where mere possession of alcohol is illegal, take that shit seriously.

Most of the alcohol and drugs smuggled there, is for the expatriate communities and foreign workers.

This just isn't true. Its an issue that isn't reported on much, for obvious reasons, but its nevertheless well known that people in the Gulf consume alcohol as much as, if not more than the rest of the world.

Saddam used to brag to visitng diplomats from the west that the national drink of Iraq was Johnnie Walker Blue Label.

Smuggling alcohol is huge business out there and has been for decades, and the biggest customers are arabs... they send their sons to America/the UK to study and they come back as drinkers, then alcoholics... and maintain it as a life-long habit.

 

[Male Idiot]

Clearly, the takeaway from this is that the nazi jew-SA is bullying heckin' valid Iran.

 

[Dread First]

Oh man, why did this thread evoke memories of such long-lost Facebook pages like "High on Liberal Islam?" If only I still had the memes to share. Perhaps I can make up for that shortcoming with something genuinely informative? Let's explore the range of (Sunni) opinions on this! My days of skulking about IslamQA are long behind me, but here are some fiqhs that show a... range of opinions, shall we say?


Relatively sympathetic ruling, though still enforcing an "otherism" onto the transvestites.


Here's a thorough, and much more venomous ruling on the eunuchs. You won't be surprised to see how trannies are equated with homosexuals, and are thus haram by default. Toying with the perfection of God's creation only worsens it.

The Fiqh Council of North America also has some regretful words of reality per this statement. Video linked in article below.

Some of the more pertinent sections of the article highlighted for your convenience.

 

[glue eater]

Found document "I’m Muslim and My Gender Doesn’t Fit Me" by "muslim youth leadership council".

"The Muslim Youth Leadership Council (MyLC) is a group of Muslim-identifying people ages 16-24 from across the country, working locally and nationally as activists, organizers, writers, and leaders on intersectional issues affecting young Muslims. MyLC focuses on four main areas of work: countering Islamophobia and anti-Muslim hate, strengthening sexual health and reproductive rights for young Muslims, promoting LGBTQ rights and supporting queer Muslims, and working towards racial justice and countering anti-Blackness in our communities.

Note: We recognize the diversity in the Muslim community. Our involvement in this project is in Muslim youth leadership development around Reproductive Justice in the United States including LGBTQ health and rights, immigrant rights, and sexual and reproductive health and rights. This project is based on Muslim youth development in the United States and is not focused on theological perspectives."

I told you about the liberal creep, I warned you dog

 

[Procrastinhater]

From what I've been reading the consensus among Islamic Scholars is that feelings are not something Islam regulates or condemns, but acting on those feelings in a way contrary to the Shari'ah (which is quite clear regarding this and over a thousand years of Islam Jurisprudence leaves no room for dissent) is Haram and an Offence to Allah.
So if a Muslim has gender dysphoria/body dysmorphia, that's not something they can control and there is no blame, but attempting to masquerade as the opposite sex is deeply Haram and invites the Wrath of Allah upon the transgressors.
As much as "Liberal Muslims" may want to squirm and deny and corrupt the teachings, there are hundreds of years of rulings by Islamic Scholars, based on both the Quran and the Hadith that leave no doubt and room for negotiation. Any attempt to corrupt the Word of Allah is punishable by death.
Some Scholars make it clear the "transsexuals are cursed by the Prophet" and should be "put out of the home" and unless they repent and desist they are not even allowed to enter the Masjid.

If any Muslim Kiwis want to clarify any of this, but from what I've been able to find, there's no room in Islam for this bullshit.
I'm not fan of the Sand People or their Religion but on issues such as this they are based as fuck.
I don't think "Liberal Creep" will have much effect on Islamic Jurisprudence, outside a few corrupted Western Imams that would probably be beheaded if they were to attempt to preach their blasphemy in Saudi Arabia.
I encourage anyone who doubts this to travel as an open AGP to Mecca during the Hajj and livestream their experience to prove me wrong.

 

[Nancy]

I'm learning about Islam and trannies at the same time here and I'm horrified by both

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I’d love to present these people to some of the TRAs in this subforum, just to see what mental gymnastics they use when faced with open and highly problematic fetishism. Would they accept that these are legit Muslimahs? Would they use “no true tranny” to explain that these guys are fetishists, but other troons aren’t? Or would they argue that their transness is totally legit, but the rest is fake?

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

If any Muslim Kiwis want to clarify any of this, but from what I've been able to find, there's no room in Islam for this bullshit.

Yes

Liberal/Progresve Muslims are kinda like the lolcows of the wider Muslim community. The mental gymnastics they use to try and fit Islam with Western Lib standards is simultaneously hilarious and frustrating. No joke one of them tried to claim weed isn’t haram to my face. I believe they’re getting backing from one source or another. Suddenly we have all these Liberal Pro-LGBT organizations popping up everywhere.

The Muslim youtuber Daniel Haqiqatjou has some videos on this subject. He’s currently an Andrew Tate dickrider who’s more concerned with “owning the feminists” than anything meaningful these days. But his old videos are still worth checking out.

Any attempt to corrupt the Word of Allah is punishable by death.

Alhamdulillah Sheikh @Procrastinhater has given the fatwa brothers we shall carry it out.

 

[Dread First]

From what I've been reading the consensus among Islamic Scholars is that feelings are not something Islam regulates or condemns, but acting on those feelings in a way contrary to the Shari'ah (which is quite clear regarding this and over a thousand years of Islam Jurisprudence leaves no room for dissent) is Haram and an Offence to Allah.
So if a Muslim has gender dysphoria/body dysmorphia, that's not something they can control and there is no blame, but attempting to masquerade as the opposite sex is deeply Haram and invites the Wrath of Allah upon the transgressors.
As much as "Liberal Muslims" may want to squirm and deny and corrupt the teachings, there are hundreds of years of rulings by Islamic Scholars, based on both the Quran and the Hadith that leave no doubt and room for negotiation. Any attempt to corrupt the Word of Allah is punishable by death.
Some Scholars make it clear the "transsexuals are cursed by the Prophet" and should be "put out of the home" and unless they repent and desist they are not even allowed to enter the Masjid.

If any Muslim Kiwis want to clarify any of this, but from what I've been able to find, there's no room in Islam for this bullshit.
I'm not fan of the Sand People or their Religion but on issues such as this they are based as fuck.
I don't think "Liberal Creep" will have much effect on Islamic Jurisprudence, outside a few corrupted Western Imams that would probably be beheaded if they were to attempt to preach their blasphemy in Saudi Arabia.
I encourage anyone who doubts this to travel as an open AGP to Mecca during the Hajj and livestream their experience to prove me wrong.

Below video by Al Muqaddimah (a Pakistani Punjabi Muslim who makes videos on Islam from a secular historical perspective) can clarify on some measure.

TLDW - Homosexuality (ignoring transgenderism, transsexualism, and pederasty for now), has always been haram, but it functioned in a vein similar to the Greeks. That is to say, it was an open secret.

Homosexuals of the Muslim world often times only engaged in such behaviour when there is a power dynamic: Sufi shaykh and initiate, Sultan and slave; no such concept of egalitarian homosexual behaviour really existed if I’m not mistaken. As long as no one pointed out the debauchery to a more conservative cleric (or they got paid off), it was tolerated.

Important thing to understand: Homosexuality, as we understand it, does not exist in the context of Islam. The understanding is that God ordained heterosexuality to be the fundamental norm; homosexual behaviour is the sin that should be punished, and there has historically been a range of thought about how homosexual behaviour should be handled.

Also, don’t be surprised by classical Muslim society resembling Ancient Greek culture in some respects. Neoplatonism flourished under the Islamic Golden Age, to say the least.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Also, don’t be surprised by classical Muslim society resembling Ancient Greek culture in some respects. Neoplatonism flourished under the Islamic Golden Age, to say the least.

In my brief dive into Islamic attitudes to this I noticed that Islamic Scholars have seemed to remain consistent in the attitude that thoughts and feelings, that while abhorrent if acted upon, are not condemned, as they are seen as something a person can't control, it's only when feelings are acted upon that they become Haram.
Indeed some Scholars I've seen postulate that the feelings can be seen as a challenge from Allah, who will reward a person who rises above them and doesn't act on them.

Spoiler: Historical Spergery

It's thanks to the actions of Islamic Scholars that a lot of the knowledge of the Ancient World, including the Greeks through the Islamic expansion occupying lands held by the Ptolemaic and Seleucid Empires, was preserved when the Western Roman Empire collapsed during the Dark Ages, and the Eastern Empire decended into the book burning fanaticism of Early Christianity, where the Early Church fathers sought to destroy anything that they saw as heretical.
Islam may take credit for a lot of discoveries and philosophies that were actually the invention of Hellenistic Greece, but its only due to Islamic Scholars in Damascus, Baghdad, etc that a lot of these teachings were preserved at all, only starting to filter back into Europe after the Crusades brought the kingdoms that had arisen from the conflagration that destroyed Rome into contact with the Islamic world hundreds of years later.
The Christian Church preserved a lot of knowledge itself, but it was incredibly selective and biased in what was preserved by Monastic Scribes, whereas advances in Medicine, Geometry, Math, etc were preserved and flourished under Early Islam.
It's a pity that in a lot of ways the Islamic Middle East has gone backwards in this way, groups like ISIS may claim to be "pure Islam" but their hatred of knowledge would have been anathema to the contempories of Muhammed.

 

[FudgeFish]

It's weird, because people on the internet keep saying that Islam is somehow completely protected from gender-nonsense and transgenders. Odd.

To anyone paying attention, the abnormally high percentage of Muslim men that fit the "incel" checklist of behaviours and traits has all sorts of disastrous consequences. Extremism and terrorism were one inevitable consequence, falling prey to trans ideology is another.

Muslims in the West sort of remind me of the themes in the Russian science fiction "Solaris". You can't observe something in close proximity without being ultimately changed by it.

This was my long-winded way of saying everyone is equally fucked.

 

[97 toyota corolla]

Muslim Kiwi here, thought i'd drop this hadith here

حَدَّثَنَا مَحْمُودُ بْنُ غَيْلاَنَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو دَاوُدَ الطَّيَالِسِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، وَهَمَّامٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، قَالَ لَعَنَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم الْمُتَشَبِّهَاتِ بِالرِّجَالِ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ وَالْمُتَشَبِّهِينَ بِالنِّسَاءِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ ‏.‏

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: "The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) cursed the women who imitate men and the men who imitate women."

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2784

 

[Kerr Avon]

Kylie Brooks is one of thse and has / had a thread here on the farms. bearded , crippled , tard , troon , and recently ish Muslim. Also a literal leaf nigger.

 

[NoReturn]

More of this shit:

Narrated `Aisha:

The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him."​

Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 511
In-book reference: Book 8, Hadith 158

Narrated `Aisha:

The things which annul prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet."​

Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 514
In-book reference: Book 8, Hadith 161

Narrated `Aisha:

It is not good that you people have made us (women) equal to dogs and donkeys. No doubt I saw Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) praying while I used to lie between him and the Qibla and when he wanted to prostrate, he pushed my legs and I withdrew them.​

Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 519
In-book reference: Book 8, Hadith 166

A common theme:

And lo! The rare haramopposite!

In my brief dive into Islamic attitudes to this I noticed that Islamic Scholars have seemed to remain consistent in the attitude that thoughts and feelings, that while abhorrent if acted upon, are not condemned, as they are seen as something a person can't control, it's only when feelings are acted upon that they become Haram.
Indeed some Scholars I've seen postulate that the feelings can be seen as a challenge from Allah, who will reward a person who rises above them and doesn't act on them.

Spoiler: Historical Spergery

It's thanks to the actions of Islamic Scholars that a lot of the knowledge of the Ancient World, including the Greeks through the Islamic expansion occupying lands held by the Ptolemaic and Seleucid Empires, was preserved when the Western Roman Empire collapsed during the Dark Ages, and the Eastern Empire decended into the book burning fanaticism of Early Christianity, where the Early Church fathers sought to destroy anything that they saw as heretical.
Islam may take credit for a lot of discoveries and philosophies that were actually the invention of Hellenistic Greece, but its only due to Islamic Scholars in Damascus, Baghdad, etc that a lot of these teachings were preserved at all, only starting to filter back into Europe after the Crusades brought the kingdoms that had arisen from the conflagration that destroyed Rome into contact with the Islamic world hundreds of years later.
The Christian Church preserved a lot of knowledge itself, but it was incredibly selective and biased in what was preserved by Monastic Scribes, whereas advances in Medicine, Geometry, Math, etc were preserved and flourished under Early Islam.
It's a pity that in a lot of ways the Islamic Middle East has gone backwards in this way, groups like ISIS may claim to be "pure Islam" but their hatred of knowledge would have been anathema to the contempories of Muhammed.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

It's weird, because people on the internet keep saying that Islam is somehow completely protected from gender-nonsense and transgenders. Odd.

To anyone paying attention, the abnormally high percentage of Muslim men that fit the "incel" checklist of behaviours and traits has all sorts of disastrous consequences. Extremism and terrorism were one inevitable consequence, falling prey to trans ideology is another.

Muslims in the West sort of remind me of the themes in the Russian science fiction "Solaris". You can't observe something in close proximity without being ultimately changed by it.

This was my long-winded way of saying everyone is equally fucked.

Takes me back to when the right wing was sperging out about how muh migrant invasion was gonna bring about Eurabia by 2030. I was worried about the opposite, that Muslims in a generation or two are gonna fully assimilate and try to twist Islam into fitting the cult of progressivism. These days the latter seems more likely.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Takes me back to when the right wing was sperging out about how muh migrant invasion was gonna bring about Eurabia by 2030. I was worried about the opposite, that Muslims in a generation or two are gonna fully assimilate and try to twist Islam into fitting the cult of progressivism. These days the latter seems more likely.

I never thought I'd say this but if it came down to it and the choice was submitting to the Cult of Slaanesh and fighting along side Muslims to drive the Troons back the darkness they crawled from I don't even think I'd hesitate. Just don't expect me to give up Bacon sandwiches and we're all good.

 

[Fapcop]

Takes me back to when the right wing was sperging out about how muh migrant invasion was gonna bring about Eurabia by 2030. I was worried about the opposite, that Muslims in a generation or two are gonna fully assimilate and try to twist Islam into fitting the cult of progressivism. These days the latter seems more likely.

Doubtful. Aside from a few young Muslims who clearly suffer from Marxist induced brain damage, Moslems are hella based, and Muslims in the West have actually gotten MORE conservative over time, not less.

It wasn’t that unusual for some of the Moslem “guest workers” who came in the 70ies to occasionally drink alcohol for example, in a way that you’d never see today in a Moslem ghetto.

Moslems in the west today also continually import more based Moslems from the Middle East, and that’s important because the generational shift you see regarding (for example) the alphabet people in the West (younger generations are more likely to be LGBTQZ supporters) doesn’t exist in the Middle East. Young Moslems are more or less just as likely to demand jail time for faggotry as older folks.

And btw: The whole concept of “thoughts aren’t a sin, actions are” is also a Christian concept. Love the sinner, hate the sin and all that.