💬 Off-Topic Trans Kiwifarmers Discussion Thread - Just what it says on the tin

[a kiwifarms user]

yeah
my point is that it requires a special kind of masochism to willingly hang out in places full of people who hate you

Trans stuff isn't technically kiwifarms main purpose, though. It's more like a jew or black woman going on 4chan because she likes the humor and dumb anons there. Though even if you're not trans the website can get so obsessed about it is on the cusp of ruining it. (I know this account has a very recent join date - I just used to be an on and off lurker for years). Kiwifarms talking about trans people is like reddit talking about Donald Trump in that they never shut up about it. I don't even have anything against trans people by virtue of being trans and think kiwifarms can be legitimately paranoid and malicious, I just want to laugh at online fuckery. I'm in that awkward spot of being too transphobic for sjw sites but not transphobic enough for kiwifarms.

While not as extreme as "black person on stormfront" atleast in personal experience people who are on sites they are not the "favorite demographic" of actually tend to be more chill than people who are. Ie women on edgelord sites and men on sjw sites. It's probably a lot harder to fall into an echo chamber of thinking you're perfect and everything is just x groups fault when you are that group. So I would actually be geniunely curios to hear the thoughts of kiwi troons.

Yes, I agree. It is a mental illness, I mentioned it. I just don't think it makes one an asshole.

You are getting dog piled a bit here but you are right. I just hope you aren't hurting yourself by being here. And good on you for setting aside personal desire for the sake of others. You remind me of some some early transistion MTF on reddit of all places putting on a suit and tie to a funeral because it "wasn't about them". but I wonder if growing up knowing might be better than having their lives flipped around when 18. Sort of like knowing your parent is gay vs your dad suddenly tellingly you he was never actually in love with your mom and she was just his beard I guess.

The human brain is an insanely complicated thing, it wouldn't surprise me if it could have some brain body mismatch. AFAIK hormone imbalances during pregnancy have been linked to being trans and autists in general tend to have brain "mosaics" more in between of typical male and female brains. So you have plenty of opportunity for something mix up. Neither transitioning turning out to not increase happiness or transitioning turning out to increase happiness would be unbelievable to me, it's all about the complexity of the human brain, that's also why animals can't be trans. It's why I'm a bit on the fence as to what to call you guys. What put me off about troons isn't someone finding out they feel better being reffered to as the oppisite pronouns, it's the people talking about how doing the most degrading shit proves they are a woman and the fact that you can't call THAT out.

Sports? it should be studied at which point in HRT the body has the strength of the oppisite sex and then rules should be made based on that, not trying to bend science to allign with existing beliefs, which both sides do.

Changing rooms just seem like a matter of common sense and everyone being considerate. If you just started transistioning don't go barging into the oppisite changing room. If you look like the oppisite sex except for the genitals (I don't blame someone for not wanting grs) just change in one of the bathroom stalls or behind a towel to not expose kids to your junk. You would be out of place in the "original" changing room.

I deliberately avoided mentioning bathrooms here because I have too many experiences of standing in line while one bathroom being occupied/under maintinance or otherwise unavailable and the other one being completly empty but being told by the person next to me "no you can only use this one", including an instance at 12-14 years old where I was damn near pissing myself because the other kids in my class decided to have a long conversation out there and wouldn't fuck off but someone got mad when I tried to use the other (completly empty) bathroom, to not think that gendered bathrooms are retarded completly independent of anything trans related.

This POV is something I've been thinking a lot about. Maybe one of the functions of judgement, ostracizing and aversion towards the explicit (be it depictions of sex or murder) in more traditional societies was there so that people with inclination to these vices could more easily avoid falling into them.

If you feel shame and fear judgement or ostracization, the passion can be more easily controlled, especially if you never start to feed it in the first place. I think that in the same way in which some people are susceptible to gambling or alcoholism, others are to homosexual or autogynephilic tendecies. But in most people these could be suppressed and they could live ordinary happy productive lives, instead of being gross perverts.

The old "anti gay activist gets caught fucking numerous men" story. Given the sheer amount of current troons who used to be edgelords I often wonder about the more edgelord kiwis. Unlike you I won't delude myself into thinking it's healthy however. That's how you get the century old cliche of priests or other "proper" figures secretly being sex fiends because they grew up thinking being horny was evil. And that's the straight ones too. Edit: I vaguely remember some study about guys growing up in strict religious households actually watching more porn.

 

[healing rain]

Trans stuff isn't technically kiwifarms main purpose, though. It's more like a jew or black woman going on 4chan because she likes the humor and dumb anons there. Though even if you're not trans the website can get so obsessed about it is on the cusp of ruining it. (I know this account has a very recent join date - I just used to be an on and off lurker for years). Kiwifarms talking about trans people is like reddit talking about Donald Trump in that they never shut up about it. I don't even have anything against trans people by virtue of being trans and think kiwifarms can be legitimately paranoid and malicious, I just want to laugh at online fuckery. I'm in that awkward spot of being too transphobic for sjw sites but not transphobic enough for kiwifarms.

While not as extreme as "black person on stormfront" atleast in personal experience people who are on sites they are not the "favorite demographic" of actually tend to be more chill than people who are. Ie women on edgelord sites and men on sjw sites. It's probably a lot harder to fall into an echo chamber of thinking you're perfect and everything is just x groups fault when you are that group. So I would actually be geniunely curios to hear the thoughts of kiwi troons.

Please, spare me the sulking over KF being too mean to muh tiny demographic. If there ever was a reason to shit all over a group of people, it's because it's largely made up of child predators, sex pests, and other general psychos.
This is 2025-joindate-on-2025-joindate violence, but if you lurked moar you would've seen that KF used to be relatively neutral on troons. It was the sheer insanity of these people that caused attitudes towards them to shift into something reactionary. And frankly, it isn't KF's fault that trannies are such a great source of milk. If you're tired of reading about them, there's like 20 other different boards you can try outside of Stinkditch.

There are no based trannies. If a tranny was capable of real self-reflection, they wouldn't be trans.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

This is 2025-joindate-on-2025-joindate violence, but if you lurked moar you would've seen that KF used to be relatively neutral on troons. It was the sheer insanity of these people that caused attitudes towards them to shift into something reactionary.

It was a tranny who attempted to kill the entire site, and almost succeeded. Post-2022 KF is a different place than pre-2022. I'd expect anyone who makes an account to know at least that much, regardless of join date.

 

[Super Mario Brothers]

@Ruined by the Rain is "not" a pooner but is a woman who abuses testosterone.

Also another user who's "not" a troon but he only seems to use dms so it's not worth @ing.

 

[Balanced Boomer]

Trannies are nothing new to the farms, they just usually like to congregate in their dedicated containment thread.

 

[NoCockatrice]

And then you will be the asshole burdening them with keeping your secret

In that case I won't ask them to keep it a secret.

Lies and secrets are burdensome

True.

 

[Sissy]

It was a tranny who attempted to kill the entire site, and almost succeeded. Post-2022 KF is a different place than pre-2022. I'd expect anyone who makes an account to know at least that much, regardless of join date.

Yeah, but that wasn't the real turning point against trans people. The real turning point was when those two trannies showed up to nulls house with the knifes, after that he has used his position as sysop to push exclusively anti-trans sentiment. I think that was 2018. And if you want to go back a little further than that, what really changed the site was the 2016 election and its fallout. This site Received MASSIVE NUMBERS of twitter and reddit refugees, and as we all know, refugees tend to change the cultures of the places they go, not the other way around.

It's important to remember, the culture of this site use to be about Chrischan, and in the classic era, before he trooned out, he was an anti-gay and anti-trans type guy, and that would be a large point of ridicule. A lot people who were messing with him or even just observing from the outside were much more left leaning, but to be fair the online left use to be a lot more chill and less blatantly crazy like they are these day.

 

[DYLAN ‘DIELAWN’ VOLK]

I wouldn't ditch my mother for that.

Where's your dad? I have a theory.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Haven’t RTFT but didn’t we have that wolf troon for a while? He was p funny ngl.

 

[neu]

@Ruined by the Rain is "not" a pooner but is a woman who abuses testosterone.

Also another user who's "not" a troon but he only seems to use dms so it's not worth @ing.

Nothing wrong with that. But I just think it's really funny how upset trannies get that someone would do that without "identifying as trans".

 

[NoCockatrice]

Where's your dad? I have a theory.

That would've been too easy. I have both parents.

I said "mother" because user I was arguing with used mother as an example. I wouldn't ditch my father either.

 

[DYLAN ‘DIELAWN’ VOLK]

I have both parents.

Then you know what a family is and you should know better. Just lez out and get fat and waste money on candles or whatever, but leave them kids alone.

 

[NoCockatrice]

waste money on candles

Never.

What the fuck is the point of these useless pieces of vax? They have irritating smell too. One of my friends complained his girlfriend buys a ton of these and not only are they way more expensive that they could possibly be, but they also make your home reek of dollar store perfume. Why are women so obsessed with them? Let your home smell like home for Christ's sake.

Spoiler: The only candle ever worth buying is

 

[Platonic Ideal]

Post-2022 KF is a different place than pre-2022

Maybe I was just reading more niche threads, but I found this site because it was the only place people were openly complaining about Speedrunning events and the proliferation of trans people in them. This would have been 2021-ish and there was already a pretty big anti-trans attitude at the time

 

[DYLAN ‘DIELAWN’ VOLK]

I started lurking in 2016, and have had a couple accounts. People were using pronouns for specific troons that seemed "not so bad", mostly gays and lesbians that wanted to play house and didn't seem like sickos, selectively until around 2018 or so. It's very easy for young, childless people to just accept the idea at face value. A lot of us that are still hanging around here have settled down, started families, or started thinking about it since then and now have a more adult perspective. Even Null wants kids someday.

Funnily enough, the "yaoi pooner" type were almost never called male and always mocked even when the site was super charitable lmao.

 

[NoCockatrice]

"yaoi pooner" type were almost never called male

Unsurprisingly. These are one of the worst. They are very annoying and won't shut up about their fetishistic gay novels. And there's literally nothing masculine about their behaviour. Even I don't call them male.

 

[Platonic Ideal]

Even Null wants kids someday

Don't know if we should look at Dear Feeder as an example of anything considering the website he runs

 

[and I must scream]

Sports? it should be studied at which point in HRT the body has the strength of the oppisite sex and then rules should be made based on that, not trying to bend science to allign with existing beliefs, which both sides do.

NO. Males and females are built differently, down to the skeleton, muscles and fat arrangement. Not just fat distribution, the arrangement if the fat cells themselves. The images you see when you search for "the human body" or "human anatomy", etc., is that of a male. This is one of the things that shows that men are still regarded as "the default". In reality, there are two models of human body, a male one and a female one. It doesn't matter how much sex hormones a person take, they still have the basic structure and anatomy of the sex they are. The male body has huge advantage over the female body when it comes to most sports. If you get males into women's sport, women's sport is basically over. You put one male in a sport competition or game with 99 females, you made it unfair to these 99 females. Sport is about the body, not about the brain, so it doesn't matter if such thing as mismatch between brain and body or whatnot exists or not, it's irrelevant here. The body is what counts, and the body is either male or a female.

Of course, a trans man, AKA trans identified male, who takes testosterone cannot complete/play in women's sport either because the testosterone gives her an advantage over the other women/girls. This is basically the same as taking steroids. A trans women, AKA trans identified male, who takes testosterone suppressants reduces his own chance to succeed and win against other males, but he still has built-in advantage against women simply because has a male body. There are sports with mixed/open categories, trans people can participate in this if they want. But they can't play/compete in the category of sex they are not.

When it comes to things like public showers', changing/dressing/locker rooms, etc., and yes, even bathrooms, trans people would have to find other solutions for themselves. This isn't about "othering", or about marginalizing, or about trans people being inferior, and this isn't hatred, oppression or discrimination. It's about the simple fact that the vast majority of society are either male or female, do not have any brain-body mismatch or anything like that, and are not identify as anything else, so anything that is sex-segregated should be kept sex-segregated the same way it has been so far, because that's what is best and suitable for the needs of the vast majority. We don't design our material world to fit the exception, we design it to fit the common majority, and then we make adaptations for the exceptions. About 7% of the population suffer from Dwarfism, yet we don't design our material world - furniture, cars, etc. to fit their height. We design it to fit the majority, and create or find adaptations and solutions for the minority. It's the same thing with trans people - we can find adaptations and different solutions, we cannot change what fits the vast majority just so 1%-2% of the population at most will feel comfortable.

For bathrooms, I suggest they go to the disabled bathrooms. For public showers and changing rooms, etc., they should either use disabled and/or single-room showers if these exist and also dress/change there, don't use public showers and changing rooms at all, or if we are talking about small group, perhaps an arrangement could be made where they shower and change alone, in an agreed-upon time when everybody know not to get it. In prisons, they can make a special section/ward/unit/etc. in the prison of the sex they belongs to. Etc. etc. Solutions could be found. We just need that trans people will agree to use them instead of violating the rights, dignity and comfort of everyone else.

It's very simple. All I expect of trans people is what I expect from every person out there: to be a decent human being that does not infringe on anyone's else rights and is considerate about others' needs and feelings. They are not above anyone's else and their feelings are not more important. That is all.

 

[a kiwifarms user]

This is 2025-joindate-on-2025-joindate violence

It was a tranny who attempted to kill the entire site

This is heating into an argument I can't be fucked to participate in but my 'tism demands I clarify: I was a long time on and off lurker on this site for years before most of you probably even heard about it. I don't remember the exact date but I know it used to have some forum called "the salt mine" and some icon of a girl with an umbrella, maybe oldfags know when that was. Point being I know about keffals (or however it's spelled) and I remember you couldn't read a thread about anything in that period without someone complaining about "muh trannies" every three posts even if it was a thread on a lolcow who hated them. That's why I made the comparsion about reddit talking about Donald Trump. Funnily enough the only reason I went to check out kf again during the great keffals war was because I (browsing a lot of left wing sites) was getting tired of being unable point out the weird ones and the sheer obessiveness of this site pushed me back into being more pro trans again.

Sport is about the body, not about the brain, so it doesn't matter if such thing as mismatch between brain and body or whatnot exists or not, it's irrelevant here. The body is what counts, and the body is either male or a female.

I was refering to wether or not muscle/fat changes after HRT and how much. I quite frankly don't know, but I don't trust a place as biased as kiwifarms or some trans sports website to give me the answer to that.

As for the other stuff, I agree with you on the reasoning and people having to have self awereness but the excution and stuff about the majority. We already have stuff like raised sidewalks to tell blind people not to walk into traffic and epilisy warnings despite the majority of people not being epileptic or blind. So we do make "changes" for minorities. Also there is no way 7% of people are dwarfs.

 

[pork and beans]

To all the trannies in this thread saying they come here to feel more normal in comparison may I remind you that the ailments of the many are the comfort of the stupid

Mal de muchos consuelo de tontos