💬 Off-Topic Trans Kiwifarmers Discussion Thread - Just what it says on the tin

[NoCockatrice]

You absolutely missed my point on one of them

Probably. My bad.

Moral panic and victim complexes may have been perfected in troonery

I'd say it's the other way around. Modern idea of what troonery is attracts pussybrained crybaby people (who often desire power and admiration).

victimhood complex is always used as a weapon of aggression to censor and justify public spending of stupid shit

Yeah, I agree. Probably since the dawn of times.

Nietzche's concept of slave morality is a useful one to describe how anyone who internalizes frailty and persecution basically becomes a huge annoying loser forever if not stopped.

Good point. Nietzche's works are interesting on their own, but even more interesting when you start to notice how topical they are.
One of my favorite points of his is how he considers "fairness" a simple outcry of the weaker party when said party can't get what it wants.

the very religious right it was in its own origin story a reaction to.

I think people need religion. When they "riot" against it they look for a substitute even without realising it.
Not all religions are equally good and healthy, but the very concept of religion is needed in a society. If it's not gonna be there people are gonna make their own religions, and people are retarded, so we'll get communism, SJW etc.

I am practically an atheist, why am I annoying?

Speaking of religion, what I meant by "annoying atheists" are motherfuckers who call you retarded if you mention God/gods ("uhmm, it's like 21st century, you're living in a cult" etc.)

To be fair, I don't believe atheists really exist. I think everyone has some idea of the afterlife. People just pretend they don't to "sound more scientific" etc.

 

[healing rain]

Proof? As if you have a better explanation.

Proof of what? You're the one making up copes on the fly. Personally, I think a cluster of mental health comorbidities makes a lot more sense than unsubstantiated claims of fucked up hormones or imaginary brain sex. There's even a study about it.

A lot of true transsexuals have anatomical abnormalities since birth. For example, small penis/large clitoris, extensive body hair (in FTMs), no body hair (MTFs), small/undeveloped breasts (MTFs), narrow shoulders & wide hips (MTFs) etc. These are caused by abnormal hormonal balance. It's not the key issue (the key issue is the brain), but it's still important, because hormones also influence one's behaviour.

This just sounds like you conflating DSDs with transsexualism. Also, how would this be relevant to the leagues of truscum that claimed to experience gender incongruence before they even hit puberty? I thought being an early transitioner made you more valid than the gigahons?

"Waaa-waa, sexism, society unfair". I'm so tired of this bullshit. Yeah, let's fuck up the whole society (that had traditional values for centuries) and tell it how it should work. No, I think it's much more fair to say that I (and people like me) have a problem and deal with it.

Your idea of “dealing with it” is fashioning yourself into a facsimile of a tradwife (or its male equivalent). Of course you guys love rigid gender roles; you base your entire transitions around them.

Where's the evidence of OCD? Or BPD? Or bipolar? Or ADHD? Or schizophrenia? Literally any brain illness is only available through brain scans and patient descriptions. People don't know how schizophrenia looks, but they know the symptoms of one having it.

There are actual guidelines, research, and neurological examinations that inform the diagnostic criteria for these disorders. Transsexualism doesn't have any of that; diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria is so shoddy that trannies literally coach each other on what to say to doctors to get a surefire prescription for their titty skittles. Also, as far as symptoms go, it's much more cut and dry to observe "this person is having paranoid delusions" than "this person feels like they're the opposite gender." The latter could just as easily be swept under autism or OCD.

I'm pretty sure other mental illnesses are also lobbied.

No, I don't think there are any astroturfed orgs going around advocating for bipolar disorder to be removed from global mental health classification standards, because that would be extremely counterproductive to their goals of raising awareness and improving sufferers' quality of life. It's literally only transgenders that balk at the idea of greater research being done on the causes of dysphoria and the true efficacy of treatment. Really makes you think.

 

[neu]

If modern people want to do retarded shit instead of multiplying - it's not the fault of jews from outer space

Even if it's not explicitly the jews, there's definitely measures in place to ensure people are divided and incapable of forming healthy relationships. The current iteration of the transgender movement, which is an extremely astroturfed extension of the culture war bullshit, is one of them.

I don't think people in the first world decided on their own accord to latch onto a niche movement because they were bored and that's why it suddenly took off in the media and received major funding from the Pritzker family, etc. I doubt most people even remembered trannies existed until the media started to push identity politics and show celebrities like Jenner who were way too old to even consider that shit trooning out. There's a lot of people who are retarded or otherwise mentally unwell and there's a lot of profit to be made with the premise that anyone can troon out whenever.

And, yes, other mental illnesses are lobbied for the purpose of getting people on antidepressants and whatnot but transgenderism presents a lot more opportunities for profiteering.

I hope the hype will die down and the only troons that'll be left will be the true and honest troons

I honestly think it may as well be impossible to establish a concrete definition for what makes a "true and honest" troon. How are you supposed to do that without turning to abstract gender stereotypes or psychiatry? Psychiatry is bullshit anyways and there's too many comorbid mental illnesses that can fall under the umbrella of "gender dysphoria".

someone will invent an antitroon

They won't (for obvious reasons).

What the fuck am I supposed to do?

Sadly I think there's no answer for that. Just be yourself and be ready to accept the potential consequences of whatever it is you decide to do in life, I guess.

 

[NoCockatrice]

Acknowledge that you can never be what you want, and move on.

"If you don't wanna feel bad - just feel better"
What an incredibly thoughtful advice.

Right now, I have two ways:
1. Doctor will find out I have schizophrenia or some other disorder. They'll give me pills and unretard me and everything will be fine.
2. Doctor will not find out any mental disorder aside from transsexualism. In that case I'm fucked.
(And I live in the area where they hate trannies, so both variants are possible)



As simple as that.

 

[Billy Hargrove]

There are zero long term, high quality studies that show that hormones and surgery actually work to improve people’s quality of life/mental health outcomes. It’s yet another area transgender ideology falls apart. The health effects of T use on women (especially long term) are often horrific.

I find it amusing you talk about how stealth you are when you post on kf where stories with “I thought I was stealth but someone at work slipped up and it turns out everyone was just humoring me” are posted almost everyday in the stinkditch threads.

 

[healing rain]

Gonna be honest, not sure about that one. However, I believe that if you raise your children with good income and good values they are going to turn out fine. There are addicts and criminals who had raised children. I'm neither of these. I think I'll be fine.

Speaking as a normal person, if I found out my dad was actually a woman and had been lying to me my entire life about who he is, this would completely rupture my relationship with him and I'd probably never speak to him again. He'd effectively be a complete stranger to me.

You're delusional if you think your kids aren't going to find out. Hmmm, why haven't I ever seen pictures of my dad as a child? Why isn't there anybody on this earth who knew my dad back when he was young? Why do the details keep changing every time my dad tells me stories about his childhood? Why is my dad unable to guide me through puberty or teach me how to conduct myself as a man?

You seem to have a very childish view of the world, too. Abusive/NPD parents haven't done anything illegal either, but they undoubtedly devestate their children's development and just end up unleashing more fucked up adults into the world. For the love of God, please do not subject an innocent child to your bullshit. You Will Never Be A Good Parent.

Edit:
Also, for the comment about your brain being "wired" to not like your body...have you tried hitting the gym? Seriously.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

If people don't want to kill me or take away my only way of well being or preventing me from having a family - I don't think I'm being discriminated.

Adoption laws do discriminate, and that's a good thing. It's not about what you want, it's about child safety. Hoarders can't adopt kids while their house is hoarded because it's unsafe. If they get rid of the hoard and stay in treatment for their disorder, however, they would possibly be allowed to adopt. You make the choice to continue pretending to be a man. Nobody's stopping you from quitting that shit and becoming a more stable and responsible person.

 

[Less Than Zero]

So what percentage of the Ts are really like this now, vs what percentage were the more punk rock scene people I used to know and were fine in the 2000s? Because from the outside it looks like the schitzophrenic anime girl pfp people have totally taken over the show.

funny, in my zoomer "alt" spaces they're often still like what you described as libertarian. "Live and let live, just give me basic respect and don't pry into my personal life and I won't chastise yours"
Not at all like the Keffals "We should seize the state and demolish any dissent"

Faggot therapy people like to talk about so much doesn't do shit. I tried. They all told me they can't help me.

Right now, I have two ways:
1. Doctor will find out I have schizophrenia or some other disorder. They'll give me pills and unretard me and everything will be fine.
2. Doctor will not find out any mental disorder aside from transsexualism. In that case I'm fucked.

For starters, your addiction to the Post Reply button might be useful to bring up to your therapist ngl. Your diatribe here has makes you hard to side with tbh

Not to be mean but I never understood this anti-therapy attitude in LGBT spaces. Like, it's not some based anarchist ACAB thing to refuse mental health support or guidance. It's not necessarily a live or let live thing either (why do ya think they force suicidal people to stay in the looney bin involuntarily?), and it's something I disagree with a lot to my friends.
IMO, if therapy is ineffective for you, you're not being totally honest to your therapist. I can't lie I used to be like that too, but I stopped giving a shit and let my heart out and they were able to help me lots better.

Of course you guys love rigid gender roles; you base your entire transitions around them.

This is something I hate about it, ngl. I'm all for abolishing gender roles in the truest sense of the word (as in, putting up with Ezra Millers as well as masculine women), but transgenders often reaffirm them by wanting to pass so badly especially the ones I see online. I bring this up with my IRL trans friends and they get what I mean at least.

 

[Platonic Ideal]

If you don't wanna feel bad - just feel better"

Right, sure. "If I just twist everything I don't like into the dumbest possible interpretation, I never have to perform any real self reflection because they're just wrong."

Acknowledging that you want the impossible is not going to make you feel better - in fact, finally coming to terms with the fact that you will never be want you want is probably going to make you feel even worse. But it is the first step into finding purpose in something healthier, sustainable, and actually possible.

"As soon as I get my ADHD meds, then I'll finally start playing the guitar"

"As soon as I finally save up enough money to move to Japan, then I'll be happy"

"As soon as I get tall enough to dunk the ball, then they're gonna sign me"

"As soon I grow up, I'll be pretty enough to be a model, then I'll be famous"

"As soon as I get diagnosed and they put me on T, I'll finally start a family"

People waste their entire lives waiting for a big break or a one stop solution that's going to fix all their problems. For most it never happens. The best thing that can be done is to be realistic about what you are actually capable of and do the best you can with the cards you've been dealt. Scribbling out the boobs on the queen card and drawing a beard on her isn't actually going to change anything about the cards you have. It's really not fair, and it sucks that people can be born in a way so that they want the impossible, but happiness and satisfaction are not human rights. Sometimes life just sucks, and it's up to you to become resilient enough to handle it, or drown.

 

[NoCockatrice]

I never understood this anti-therapy attitude in LGBT spaces

Anti therapy? From what I've seen, therapy is all they talk about. They even brag how often they visit their therapists. "I visited my therapist again, posting about it..." etc.

From my experience, modern therapy is just basic shit for an expensive price. I've been to therapists, they weren't able to help me. They literally told me "we cannot help you with this".

Of course you guys love rigid gender roles; you base your entire transitions around them.

I'm all for abolishing gender roles in the truest sense of the word

What is wrong with gender roles? What is wrong with acknowledging men and women are different?
Gender roles are there for a reason. People who want to abolish gender norms are often unhappy.

I'm not saying you should be making sandwiches your entire life if you're a woman (but if you want to - hit me up), I'm saying that there are biological behavioural differences in males and females that are caused by hormones & brain. It's not bad.

Right, sure. "If I just twist everything I don't like into the dumbest possible interpretation, I never have to perform any real self reflection because they're just wrong."

My point was that you, despite claiming you know better, didn't provide any actual solution.

going to fix all their problems

I don't think transitioning is going to fix all of my problems. Neither it is the only thing I'm interested in in life. I'm going to have a family regardless of that.

best you can with the cards you've been dealt

I agree, but the way I see it is that I was given a permanent illness card. I am going to live with it though.

it sucks that people can be born in a way so that they want the impossible

True.

happiness and satisfaction are not human rights

I agree.

Sometimes life just sucks, and it's up to you to become resilient enough to handle it, or drown.

I agree, but my way of handling it is transition. I don't see other options truly.

 

[Platonic Ideal]

despite claiming you know better

I agree, but my way of handling it is transition. I don't see other options truly.

Listen man, I'm not ragging on you because I hate trannys, I'm ragging on you because I 𝘥𝘰 know what I'm talking about. You don't see any other options? I know. I've been there. I know what it feels like to think that the only way to handle life is to transition. There's a way out.

 

[NoCockatrice]

imaginary brain sex

So you think people of different sex have the same brain? And you call me the unscientific one?

This just sounds like you conflating DSDs with transsexualism

If I remember correctly DSD always involves chromosomal abnormalities. Transsexualism doesn't.

if I found out my dad was actually a woman and had been lying to me my entire life about who he is, this would completely rupture my relationship with him and I'd probably never speak to him again.

So you are going to ruin your relationship with a person who loved you, cared for you and put food on your plate for many years because he has a mental condition (harmless for others, mind you)? That's just ungrateful.

have you tried hitting the gym?

Yes. It is indeed a good thing to do. I'm not fat tho.

Why isn't there anybody on this earth who knew my dad back when he was young?

I have friends and they aren't going anywhere.

There are actual guidelines, research, and neurological examinations that inform the diagnostic criteria for these disorders.

How are they any different from tranny disorder researches? You can go to a therapist and fake schizophrenia, OCD, ADHD etc. as well. Most of the time they don't perform a brain scan, they just give you a test to fill. If you fill it like a schizophrenic they'll treat you like one.

There's even a study about it.

Yes, there are a lot of co-morbidities, I agree. Doesn't mean the thing is fake.

going around advocating for bipolar disorder to be removed from

Not bipolar, but they are trying to remove narcissistic personality disorder: https://www.upstate.edu/whatsup/201...ll-believe-the-world-revolves-around-them.php

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/558537

Other disorders might go as well, unfortunately.

their goals of raising awareness and improving sufferers' quality of life.

You are very naïve if you believe doctors only want to help people and never benefit from their illnesses.

It's literally only transgenders that balk at the idea of greater research being done on the causes of dysphoria and the true efficacy of treatment

No it's not. Modern medicine allows giving "anti ADHD" pills and antidepressants to literal toddlers and the modern narrative is that it is completely fine and if you're against it you're "antiscientific™".
Any research about sex, brain, genes is now "controversial". That's the world we live in, it's not only about trannies.

You Will Never Be A Good Parent.

Yes I will. I don't want to die alone and I don't want white people to die out. I'm not gonna rob myself and people who I love of joyful experience of having a family because I have some hormonal abnormalities.

 

[whatchamacallit]

What few one met, while certainly not normal, were perfectly fine. Being abnormal actually made them more interesting. Back then they used libertarian arguments like wanting to avoid discrimination etc. This culture today seems to have been utterly swamped by what I could only really call fanatics and missionaries. People who want to use elite capture in the tech sector to censor and colonize and gentrify every private space.

This happened, basically.

 

[NoCockatrice]

This happened, basically.

It's sad, but I guess that's how people are. But I personally don't want to take away anyone's freedom in a general sense (I'm not antilaw either).

Supposedly, certain antipsychotics work

If antipsychotic helped there had to be a psychosis. Which means the person in question had a schizophrenia spectre disorder (may be not schizophrenia itself, but something related).
But the important question is what's the name of the medicine? (asking for a friend)

 

[grand wizard man]

I would probably be lying if I didn't say that one of my reasons for lurking on this site is to stave off the idea of transitioning, as I do have some mild dysphoria and I did consider trooning out multiple times. Laughing/hating that shit away helps a lot, as does learning about the roots of these thoughts from a less pozzed psychological standpoint.

Test for some conditions like ocd. You might just have self image or body issues. Turns out a surprising amount of people who think about trooning out just have some underlying problem bothering them and end up doing it when they shouldn't as there are easy fixes.

 

[NoCockatrice]

Test for some conditions like ocd. You might just have self image or body issues. Turns out a surprising amount of people who think about trooning out just have some underlying problem bothering them and end up doing it when they shouldn't as there are easy fixes.

Yes. There are a lot of disorders that have similar symptoms. Transitioning should never be a first option. It's irreversible.

 

[a pissing jar]

LGBT Kiwis thread part two? Lets get ate, what are the rules?

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

I don't want to die alone and I don't want white people to die out.

A lesbian couple who can't reproduce is going to save the white race

You can't make this up. This shit practically deserves its own thread.

 

[NoCockatrice]

can't reproduce

Why is that? Egg freezing, surrogacy, sperm donors. Lots of options even if you don't wanna give birth.

Gays and most trannies aren't sterile.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

If you don't want to call someone a woman/man - don't. I'm against forcing people to correct their speech.

Your own language betrays your real feelings. Nobody who calls you a woman needs to 'correct' their speech. Because they'd already be correct.

I never called myself superattractive neither said misgendering isn't possible to happen in my case.

'Misgendering' is part of the Western cuck tranny worship you claim to disavow. Anybody calling you a woman isn't misgendering you. They are correctly sexing you.

To be fair, I don't believe atheists really exist. I think everyone has some idea of the afterlife. People just pretend they don't to "sound more scientific" etc.

I have an 'idea' of the afterlife. Yet, I'm an atheist. I'm not 'pretending' anything. I wish there were an afterlife where my consciousness would continue and all the ills of the material, actual, and only world, would and could be corrected.

I just don't believe it anymore.

Also, I don't believe pooners like you really exist. How about them apples.