💬 Off-Topic Trans Kiwifarmers Discussion Thread - Just what it says on the tin

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pseudoscientific slop
As if you have a better explanation.


What do you mean by abnormal hormonal balance
A lot of true transsexuals have anatomical abnormalities since birth. For example, small penis/large clitoris, extensive body hair (in FTMs), no body hair (MTFs), small/undeveloped breasts (MTFs), narrow shoulders & wide hips (MTFs) etc. These are caused by abnormal hormonal balance. It's not the key issue (the key issue is the brain), but it's still important, because hormones also influence one's behaviour.


That’s because no other treatments have ever been tried, thanks to trans activists deliberately striking down all alternatives.
Most of the time, it's not trannies that want other ways of treatment to be shut down, it's people who benefit from the surgeries. I said it in my post. It's bad, but I can't change it.

Would it be fairer to say that you have difficulty adhering to the roles and expectations society places on men and women and that’s what’s causing your dysphoria?
No.

"Waaa-waa, sexism, society unfair". I'm so tired of this bullshit. Yeah, let's fuck up the whole society (that had traditional values for centuries) and tell it how it should work. No, I think it's much more fair to say that I (and people like me) have a problem and deal with it.

I'm perfectly fine with traditional gender roles. In fact, countries with stronger traditional values have less trannies. Think about it.


What about self-hating gays/lesbians?
I'd put them in the "Forced to do it" category.

Where is any of the evidence that’s meant to inform protocols of gender-affirming care?
Where's the evidence of OCD? Or BPD? Or bipolar? Or ADHD? Or schizophrenia? Literally any brain illness is only available through brain scans and patient descriptions. People don't know how schizophrenia looks, but they know the symptoms of one having it.

I'm pretty sure other mental illnesses are also lobbied. Why come up with new solutions if you can sell people pills for the rest of their lives. But this issue is only talked about when it's about trannies. Medicine is just fucked.
 
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A friend of mine was a pooner when she began lurking the farms at the height of the Rona wu flu. She wasnt groomed per se, lets say she always felt masculine since a young age. Started monkey juice around that time, grew a pube beard.Arthur morgan voice impression which she somehow managed, at the cost of fucking up her vocal cords badly, to the point that speaking would hurt bad. Shed tune in to MATI streams, despite the roasting shed make mental gymnastics on how she was one of the good ones ftms.
Eventually, after a couple of years, she realized she was just a more masculine woman. Despite not liking being a woman, she realized that no titchop,rotdog or synthetic hormones would make her one. It would aid the impostor/blackface syndrome. This life shed have to live it as a woman. As surprisingly enough, it made her disphoria fuck off. She felt, somewhat, more at ease on her own skin.
If ive learned anything from her experience, id like to say to any kiwis that feel like trooning out, do therapy faggots.
And that bullying helps from time to time
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holy reddit
I don't use it. And, honestly, I'm not the kind of person who thinks you should always trust science. For example, I think atheists are annoying pretentious faggots (or lying about being atheists, or both).

My point is, that other mental illnesses are as unknown as transsexualism, but people aren't bothered by that fact for some reason.
 
Because transsexuals is also insist we lie to ourselves.

No, it's not a mental illness-- it's a sexual fetish, always has been.No, you cannot change your sex. No, society is not required to pay for your cosmetic surgery and upend itself because of your hurt feelings.

No, you're not going to be viewed as "one if the good ones". There  are no " good ones". That's right up there with "virtuous pedophiles."
 
No, it's not a mental illness
Why the fuck else would people willingly cut themselves?


No, you cannot change your sex.
I agree.


No, society is not required to pay for your cosmetic surgery and upend itself because of your hurt feelings.
I agree.

There  are no " good ones". That's right up there with "virtuous pedophiles."
Why? Literally all I wanna do is to call myself a certain way and modify myself a certain way. I don't bother people. I don't wanna fuck kids. I don't make a fuss when somebody uses other pronouns. I'm not against freedom of speech.

I want a traditional family and live a normal live. Why the fuck should I be considered a bad person?
 
Why? Literally all I wanna do is to call myself a certain way and modify myself a certain way. I don't bother people. I don't wanna fuck kids. I don't make a fuss when somebody uses other pronouns. I'm not against freedom of speech.

I want a traditional family and live a normal live. Why the fuck should I be considered a bad person?
You want to live a fetish instead of just fucking accepting yourself like the rest of us. That's just it. You can't change shit, don't waste your money trying.

For another answer: because you're fucking gross. Humans have revulsion for a reason, at the instinctual level. Trannies set that off for a reason.

You'll never pass, etc.
 
Why [am I a bad person]?
This is why:
Literally all I wanna do is to call myself a certain way and modify myself a certain way.
I want a traditional family
Wanting to have kids and wanting to chop parts of your body off and be referred to as the opposite sex are mutually exclusive desires. Children should not be exposed to this kind of thing at all. It's mentally scarring to have a dad who wants you to call him mom or vice versa. Even if you plan on waiting until they're adults to troon or poon out, that will also be traumatizing and embarrassing for them. Harming yourself is one thing, but don't involve kids in your bullshit.

This is why there are no "good ones." Even the "good ones" will say stuff like this if you dig enough.

P.S. — You can't have a "traditional" family if you troon out. A traditional family is a married mother and father and their children. You will either be marrying another man or some handmaiden who's fine with her husband chopping his dick off. Your children will either have a mom and a dad who wants to be called mom, or two dads, one of whom goes by mom. (This is assuming you're a troon, reverse the sexes if you're a pooner.) Neither of those are traditional families. You are not "based," "trad," or in any way different from the society-destroying degenerates you look down upon.
 
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You want to live a fetish
Why is that a fetish? What is a fetish?

I think it's only a fetish when you want to jerk off to yourself or something. Like AGPs. And it's not my case.

You'll never pass
I already do and strangers don't have any problems with me. And I don't have problems with them either.

mutually exclusive desires
No they aren't.


Children should not be exposed to this kind of thing at all
I don't wanna tell them I'm trans. It's unnecessary. Not at least until their adults. I don't even want my kids to use internet until they're adults (not sure if it's possible tho).

I don't think you should tell children about tranny stuff at all. This issue is too niche and they don't need info about it.

will say stuff like this
Stuff like what? "I want to have a family"? Literally one of the most normal healthy lifegoals.
 
Trooning out is inherently disordered behavior. People are instinctively creeped out and disgusted by cross dressing men in public because they know it’s someone exposing them to their sexual fetish.

If troons have magical women brains, why are something like 90% of them exclusively attracted to women (real statistic btw). Even if they did have a magic “wrong brain sex” (they don’t) why is that more important than the rest of their male body which is oriented about producing small gametes and is completely different from a woman’s in terms of appearance and physical strength? Not to mention the different socialization women and men are exposed to starting even from the womb. When I read your posts it’s very obvious that you are an autistic male btw because of your writing style.
 
No, it's not a mental illness-- it's a sexual fetish, always has been.
Have to disagree, as that just seems like a gross oversimplification, although an easy one to make, considering all the cows, the freaks and the AGPs (which are exactly that by definition). But I believe that the concept of changing your perceived appearance with accordance to the opposite sex is not inherently fetishistic.
 
Trooning out is inherently disordered behavior.
Yes, I agree. It is a mental illness, I mentioned it. I just don't think it makes one an asshole.


why are something like 90% of them exclusively attracted to women
Because modern medicine has no standards and hands trannypapers to anyone who demands them. Not everyone who calls themselves "trans" is actually trans. I think there should be a much harsher medical control over who is considered trans to begin with, so AGPs wouldn't hijack the term.


People are instinctively creeped and disgusted by cross dressing men in public
People are disgusted by ugly looking people. If you look and act normally nobody gives a shit.


why is that more important
If you don't want to call someone a woman/man - don't. I'm against forcing people to correct their speech.
 
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I don't wanna tell them I'm trans. It's unnecessary. Not at least until their adults. I don't even want my kids to use internet until they're adults (not sure if it's possible tho).

I don't think you should tell children about tranny stuff at all. This issue is too niche and they don't need info about it.
So you're either going to delay trooning until they're adults (I already addressed this) or lie to them that you're the sex you wish you were? Wow, great parent material.
No they aren't.
Yes, they are. Cutting off your dick and balls and taking horse piss hormones is incompatible with reproduction. The fact that modern medicine/the adoption industry makes these two incompatible desires technically possible is a temporary aberration, not a sign that you're normal.
Stuff like what? "I want to have a family"? Literally one of the most normal healthy lifegoals.
Only if you're straight and don't have a mental illness that makes you want to chop your reproductive organs up. All kinds of mentally ill degenerates want their own kids, including pedophiles. I wouldn't consider someone "one of the good pedophiles" because he says he wants a based trad family and swears he won't molest the kids, pinky promise. I'd actually consider him worse than one who avoids being around kids and gets himself sterilized.

And no, I don't care that you swear it's not sexual and you totally pass as a True and Honest Brave Stunning Wahmen. You are not an appropriate guardian for a vulnerable child. The fact that you can't recognize that is proof positive of your insanity, and it's why the state needs to step in and prevent troons from adopting (or freezing sperm, or however you plan on acquiring the child props for your based tradwife fantasy).
 
And no, I don't care that you swear it's not sexual and you totally pass as a True and Honest Brave Stunning Wahmen. You are not an appropriate guardian for a vulnerable child. The fact that you can't recognize that is proof positive of your insanity, and it's why the state needs to step in and prevent troons from adopting (or freezing sperm, or however you plan on acquiring the child props for your based tradwife fantasy).
Sir, I believe you are talking to a biological female.
 
Why? Literally all I wanna do is to call myself a certain way and modify myself a certain way. I don't bother people. I don't wanna fuck kids. I don't make a fuss when somebody uses other pronouns. I'm not against freedom of speech.
I'm going to throw my two cents into this mess for whatever it's worth.

I don't care if you modify yourself a certain way. I really don't. You're the one who has to deal with the medical consequences later, so if you're cool with that, then fine.

However, it's the "call myself a certain way" that I have a problem with. Words have meanings, and when you muddy the definition of words up with feelings, identities, and embarrassing regressive stereotypes, I take issue. This is especially true because it spills into the political discourse and changes the legal definitions of basic things like "man" and "woman".

The best compromise I can come up with is this: go nuts with your HRT and plastic surgery, but you cannot be legally considered the opposite sex. Loads of people identify as things other than what they are, but they aren't legally recognized as that thing. Michael Jackson was addicted to the knife and the bleach, but he isn't considered white. That dude in Japan who wants to be a dog might spend all his money on the perfect disguise, but he's never going to be more than a novelty.

I remember this one guy who decided he wanted to be a lizard, so a surgeon forked his tongue and embedded horns into his forehead, and Dennis Avner decided he identified as a cat and started body modifications at the age of 23. He got stripes tattooed onto his body, whiskers implanted, something or other done to his eyes - the works. I remember seeing him on a documentary explaining how he thinks humans view walking down a busy street and how he views walking down a busy street, therefore proving that he has a cat's mind. Somehow, I think if he'd managed to find himself homeless, the local shelter wouldn't have taken him in, and no vet would've treated him for an illness. He died when he was only in his fifties because he shot himself. Pretty sure it wasn't a veterinarian who proclaimed him dead.

If transgender people decide they want to go the Dennis Avner/Michael Jackson route and try using surgery to resemble what it is they identify with or as, fine. I don't care, you do you, and all that stuff. But don't say that it makes you that and get access to the spaces reserved for men or women. Yeah, this means you don't get to change your driver's license or birth certificate or anything, but at least no one will feel forced to share a private space with someone who doesn't belong there and schools won't be doing regressive crap like showing kids charts with GI Joe on one end of the line and Barbie on the other and asking where on the spectrum they fit.
 
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