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Roberts is insanely jealous about Elite Dangerous, which will pretty much do everything Star Citizen planned. If something is in Elite, it has to be in Star Citizen.

I thought it was just a friendly rivalry at first, with Chris Roberts having been a top tier backer in ED and David Braben having backed SC.

I wouldn't be surprised now if there was open trolling from FDev. Like an in game news article about the "long lost 42nd Squadron" finally coming back to Earth in the year 3304.
 
A review of Star Citizen's media coverage. Late 2016 was when coverage shifted. The TOS changed to screw backers. 3.0 was delayed after the demo and promise of December release at Gamescom. Squadron 42 wasn't shown or released. There were a million sales for jpgs. Smart's predictions were accurate.


The alternative was to double down.

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Chris Roberts makes Peter Molyneux turn lime green with envy, as he is the MASTER of the soft sell.
 
A review of Star Citizen's media coverage. Late 2016 was when coverage shifted. The TOS changed to screw backers. 3.0 was delayed after the demo and promise of December release at Gamescom. Squadron 42 wasn't shown or released. There were a million sales for jpgs. Smart's predictions were accurate.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=m_oIUSf4hyU
The alternative was to double down.

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By the time they're almost ready to release a semi-finalized product, the whole thing will be outmoded and they'll have to start over from scratch.
 
By the time they're almost ready to release a semi-finalized product, the whole thing will be outmoded and they'll have to start over from scratch.
By the time they leave early access, you'll be able to buy a seat on a suborbital spaceflight IRL for the cost of the most expensive DLC spaceship in the game
 
That's been my fear. I know a number of folks have poo-poohed the idea, but when you talk about this much money, there's going to be someone screaming 'The guvmint should do something!'

Concur, though (if you'll forgive me being a broken record on this topic) a lot of the problems with crowdfunding do seem to stem from the courts' unwillingness to enforce what should be complete layups w/r/t common law contract rules in the digital realm. Think about it: RSI took money from backers with an explicit promise about delivery dates, then, after they got the money, altered the deal, and is probably going to alter it further before all is said and done. Outside of loan sharks and the Galactic Empire, what other industries operate like that, where one party can simply reserve the right to change the terms of the agreement on a whim?

I tried to fit RSI and company into examples of existing businesses. They didn’t line up with traditional game developers or publishers. They almost fit with mobile developer pay to win pimps, except they didn’t actually have a deliverable core product. They are selling DLC hand over fist without actually having a game to put it in. And they seem to be doing the bare minimum work on the game itself. Just enough to keep people buying the DLC in the hope of the game. I tried to find something that matched this. And I kept coming back to two examples. Enron, with their fake trading floor to impress the rubes. And Bernie Madoff. With maybe just a touch of Cannon films thrown in there, from right before their shady end. It’s all smoke and mirrors. It may have started out as an actual game years ago. With full faith and honest purpose. But it quickly changed once Roberts figured out there was more money to be had in perpetual development and crowdfunding than there was in delivering the game. There is nothing innocent going on there. They are riding the Tiger for all it’s worth while extracting every dollar from the rubes that they can.

I might have a comparison for you: this is Theranos, Vidya Gaem edition. They've sold everyone their wonder widget to the tune of millions of dollars, now they're trying to go back and build the damn thing while burning through money like a fire at the Federal Reserve and blowing every single deadline they set. The most morbidly funny part of the story is that Chris Roberts could well turn out to be a much, much better huckster than Elizabeth Holmes, simply because 1) he's clearly living it up while he's got it and 2) what he's doing may technically be legal.

By the time they're almost ready to release a semi-finalized product, the whole thing will be outmoded and they'll have to start over from scratch.

And unlike Duke Nukem Forever, there's no Take-Two Interactive to say "enough" and flip the table on the devs. Publishers, man... ya don't know what you've got 'till it's gone.
 
It still absolutely bends my mind how the cult surrounding this continues to rumble on. When will it finally implode? They seem totally willing to contort reason into justifying why there's been another delay/paid extra/revision of contract and make out that it's all just perfectly normal. Surely the sunk cost fallacy will Peter out before much longer?
 
It still absolutely bends my mind how the cult surrounding this continues to rumble on. When will it finally implode? They seem totally willing to contort reason into justifying why there's been another delay/paid extra/revision of contract and make out that it's all just perfectly normal. Surely the sunk cost fallacy will Peter out before much longer?

I dunno, man. Scientology has been around for how long?

I'm not much for predictions, but I'm guessing without something big happening (FTC perp-walking the entire RSI staff out in handcuffs, Enron-style f/e) this could go on for another decade before the well runs completely dry. (2012-2028 is 16 years, approximately the same length of time Duke Nukem Forever was in development.)
 
It still absolutely bends my mind how the cult surrounding this continues to rumble on. When will it finally implode? They seem totally willing to contort reason into justifying why there's been another delay/paid extra/revision of contract and make out that it's all just perfectly normal. Surely the sunk cost fallacy will Peter out before much longer?

They are already past peak potential growth, and are on the downward slope of “milk the cows we have for all they are worth”. The down slope only gets steeper from here. They will get a critical mass of outraged backers and they will all swing to rabid hatred. The Crytek lawsuit may spur things on as well.
 
Star Citizen is a Ponzi Scheme for autistic people. Also, 'never attribute to malice which is adequately explained by stupidity'. Roberts is a dumb fucking cunt who needed to be constantly reigned in by publishers to get shit done. There's a huge history of this occurring. He's obviously got an inflated sense of ego and really, really wanted to combine movies and games and never gave up that FMV dream, instead going to motion capture instead where he could hire all these prestigious actors who would later go on to kill their agents by drowning them in a toilet.

He's also a cheap motherfucker and didn't want to use any other engine because they were expensive and 'didn't have enough visual fidelity'. He also apparently bought into the 'But can it run Crysis?' meme a decade too late, like the fucktard he is. Cryengine was never, ever designed for a project like this and it shows. Oh God, does it show.

The Star Citizen community is the most mentally ill gaming community on the internet, not even joking. They play this game in their heads, donate thousands upon thousands of dollars while seeing no result. They laugh and shit on other space games because they live in this fantasy world where they're already playing this game. They shit on other games while beaming, 'Star Citizen will do that, but better!' Meanwhile, Elite is slowly but surely building up into an actual game, with Roberts frantically copying every single thing that they do, adopting it for Star Citizen.

There was this period of about a year where Elite was just trolling the fuck out of Roberts by announcing all new features with a timeline, which of course Robert's cribbed and pumped up much more than Elite. Roberts is insanely jealous about Elite Dangerous, which will pretty much do everything Star Citizen planned. If something is in Elite, it has to be in Star Citizen. They do plan on having FPS stuff, but not until way later. Living planets and the like. All in due time. The problem between Elite and Star Citizen is that Elite actually exists as a game, meaning you can play it and criticize it. Star Citizen, for all intents and purposes, is currently a tech demo for a badly modded engine, so not even really existing, so they can pretend its whatever they want.

These are people too autistic to daydream, to write, to play any other game and look over its imperfections. Many have donated their disability/Social Security benefits constantly to it. This community is very mentally damaged. Maybe it wasn't like that at the beginning, but that's really all that's left. You have these people trying to drag friends and family into it as well.

Star Citizen is 100% going to collapse. It is nowhere near finished, it constantly relies on new money, and its scope is expanding by the day. The engine is stretched to its limits and CryEngine was always notorious for bad optimization, its going to be even worse. You had people 'drowning' in their ships, because in CryEngine, below a certain Z value is basically water, since this wasn't really designed for expansive environments like space.

I'm curious when it collapses, the extent of the psychological breakdowns this community will have. They have invested years and thousands of dollars and hours of their time for a complete failure.

Also, Elite never needed to be more than a spaceship game like its predecessors, so space legs etc. is just the extensive icing on the cake. SC started out promising to make the best most immersive super mega space game in history. It's got nowhere to go.
 
Also, Elite never needed to be more than a spaceship game like its predecessors, so space legs etc. is just the extensive icing on the cake. SC started out promising to make the best most immersive super mega space game in history. It's got nowhere to go.

Though since Michael Brookes left they've kind of slid in their schedule what with 3.3 no longer containing fleet carriers...
 
You guys see that Roberts was planning to charge people money to view the citizencon stream? It's hilarious that he thought people were going to pay money to watch what's basically an hours long advertisement for his game and what's even crazier is that people are buying more ships to support him now that he's backed down and made the stream free. Some people really don't deserve to have money
 
I wish I could scam people like Chris roberts can. I'd be able to retire by now.
 
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You guys see that Roberts was planning to charge people money to view the citizencon stream? It's hilarious that he thought people were going to pay money to watch what's basically an hours long advertisement for his game and what's even crazier is that people are buying more ships to support him now that he's backed down and made the stream free. Some people really don't deserve to have money

I would assume that a good amount of these people are living with mom and dad, thus get their funds from the bank of mom and dad....

Well, let me put it like this; Do you think someone who donates thousands of dollars for non-existent digital goods, for a product that isnt even guaranteed to release, would be anything close to a shining model of success IRL? Probably not.
 
I would assume that a good amount of these people are living with mom and dad, thus get their funds from the bank of mom and dad....

Well, let me put it like this; Do you think someone who donates thousands of dollars for non-existent digital goods, for a product that isnt even guaranteed to release, would be anything close to a shining model of success IRL? Probably not.
I think a lot of the people backing this shite can lead normal live and achieve things, you need to have a decent job to whale thousands of dollars into it.
They're probably misguided because they don't play much games at all. If they did they'd realize that this shitshow isn't worth anyone's time or money, because there's dozens of better, EXISTING options out there that allow you to sperg out in your own spaceship.
Or they're just retarded. You tell me.
 
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Got the game gratis as part of a promotion, so invested $0 and the key sat in my inbox for a year. Watched several Youtubers shill it, got curious and registered. First thought on visiting the CIG forums was this was some online re-enactment of Jonestown. Then I saw the ship prices and was convinced this could never work as a game. 'Pay to win' is thrown at multiplayer games so much it has lost meaning, but this is PTW, more money = bigger faster ship/more guns/more armour etc., Well, by the forum response you'd think I had released a video tickling Sandi to orgasm while CR hid under the bed wearing his Jedi robes furiously masturbating.

How can this model be attractive to a gamer who only throws $45 in the pot? To make it viable they either have to house the lords and peasants on different servers, or every flight in the game is going to be an exercise in futility as those who have 'invested' heavily queue up to give you the prison shower experience. For the 'Lords' who see this as an equally expensive but less destructive option to cocaine, it's going to get boring quickly as every challenge can be overcome with $$$$.

Then I saw that CIG are not only milking donors/backers for ships, they're also milking some exceptional individuals to fund their monthly magazine to the tune of either $12 or $24 per month. These advertising sponsors are given titles such as 'Centurion' & 'Imperator', it appeals to those searching for something big to belong to (it also appeals to those with militaristic fantasies whom always seem to have a massive horn for the Roman Empire), it cements the cult of personality the backers have built around CR, and how can a person who has made such a financial commitment over a few years back out without questioning their own judgement?

I don't see it as a premeditated scam, but rather an effective scam, in other words, what started as a vanity project has become something that needs to squeeze every dollar it can in order to perpetuate itself and fund the lifestyles of an increasing number of people, it's the pinnacle of hipster welfare. Look at the offices, no expense spared on fixtures and always in the 'fashionable' parts of town, they could have moved each of their locations 50km and save up to half the costs on real estate. Obviously CR & SG are drawing salaries that allow them to present as peers in Hollywood while telling their acolytes they're sticking to to the man by making those evil venture capitalists and publishers a thing of the past. Then the hirings and firings, changes in direction, engine, and all the additions and subtractions are driving this cash hungry behemoth to previously unknown feats of e-panhandling.

At its heart is a mom & pop business handed more cash that it ever dreamed of or could ever cope with, it's the pikey/trailer trash who won the lottery, and they need to keep laying that track in front of the gravy train. Otherwise it's a solid demo...
 
Got the game gratis as part of a promotion, so invested $0 and the key sat in my inbox for a year. Watched several Youtubers shill it, got curious and registered. First thought on visiting the CIG forums was this was some online re-enactment of Jonestown. Then I saw the ship prices and was convinced this could never work as a game. 'Pay to win' is thrown at multiplayer games so much it has lost meaning, but this is PTW, more money = bigger faster ship/more guns/more armour etc., Well, by the forum response you'd think I had released a video tickling Sandi to orgasm while CR hid under the bed wearing his Jedi robes furiously masturbating.

How can this model be attractive to a gamer who only throws $45 in the pot? To make it viable they either have to house the lords and peasants on different servers, or every flight in the game is going to be an exercise in futility as those who have 'invested' heavily queue up to give you the prison shower experience. For the 'Lords' who see this as an equally expensive but less destructive option to cocaine, it's going to get boring quickly as every challenge can be overcome with $$$$.

Then I saw that CIG are not only jerking off donors/backers for ships, they're also jerking off some exceptional individuals to fund their monthly magazine to the tune of either $12 or $24 per month. These advertising sponsors are given titles such as 'Centurion' & 'Imperator', it appeals to those searching for something big to belong to (it also appeals to those with militaristic fantasies whom always seem to have a massive horn for the Roman Empire), it cements the cult of personality the backers have built around CR, and how can a person who has made such a financial commitment over a few years back out without questioning their own judgement?

I don't see it as a premeditated scam, but rather an effective scam, in other words, what started as a vanity project has become something that needs to squeeze every dollar it can in order to perpetuate itself and fund the lifestyles of an increasing number of people, it's the pinnacle of hipster welfare. Look at the offices, no expense spared on fixtures and always in the 'fashionable' parts of town, they could have moved each of their locations 50km and save up to half the costs on real estate. Obviously CR & SG are drawing salaries that allow them to present as peers in Hollywood while telling their acolytes they're sticking to to the man by making those evil venture capitalists and publishers a thing of the past. Then the hirings and firings, changes in direction, engine, and all the additions and subtractions are driving this cash hungry behemoth to previously unknown feats of e-panhandling.

At its heart is a mom & pop business handed more cash that it ever dreamed of or could ever cope with, it's the pikey/trailer trash who won the lottery, and they need to keep laying that track in front of the gravy train. Otherwise it's a solid demo...
P2W can work as long as the universe is big enough. Eve is pretty P2W at the end of the day but for the average player, corporations are vague enough that you don't but heads with the P2W factor that often. I do agree with you on the latter part though. People who think that it's not a scam cause they're working on it need to realize that Roberts and friends are working a dream job and will ride it for as long as it lasts.

The bigger problem is that even if they release the game soon, there could be no market for it. The space exploration craze is already dead thanks to no man's sky and I doubt they will be able to bring in a lot of young blood into the game
 
I wish I could scam people like Chris roberts can. I'd be able to retire by now.

Get into a fledgling field, make one good product, and then slap your name on it and create endless sequels.

15 years later, you'll be able to use nostalgia to rip off all of those idiots. Worked for Chris Roberts AND Richard Garriott.

Edit: This isn't really fair to Lord British, because while Tabula Rasa sucked, it was technically a game, which is more than Roberts has at this point.
 
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