🐱 The Socialist Dune?

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Frank Herbert’s Dune has been pushed to the forefront of popular discourse thanks to Denis Villeneuve’s blockbuster adaptation (and the associated marketing push). Despite its status as a classic of American science fiction, Dune and the series it began have received less scholarly attention than contemporaries like J.R.R. Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings or the works of Kurt Vonnegut, meaning there is less expert consensus to guide commentators, pundits, and regular folks trying to sort out the novel’s meaning and politics, in its time and in ours.

The one thing that most scholars and commentators seem to agree is that “Dune is more relevant than ever.” Few agree, however, on just what aspects of the text are relevant today, to whom, or why. Some have decried Dune as an exemplar of the most toxic tropes lurking in science fiction, calling the novel an orientalist fever dream, a paean to eugenics, and a seductive monument to fascist aesthetics; others look at the same text and see an excoriation of hero worship, a cautionary tale of revolutionary dreams betrayed, and a warning about indigenous sovereignty subverted by a charismatic charlatan.

Both of these interpretations are grounded in clear textual evidence, and part of the novel’s enduring appeal is its ability to inspire such seemingly contradictory takes. Indeed, it’s not despite but because of these contradictions that the novel has exerted such a pull on the left-wing imagination over the years — and retains its uses for left-wing politics today.

Herbert said many times that Dune’s central theme is the “dangers of the superhero.” In a piece of that name, republished in Tim O’Reilly’s The Maker of Dune, Herbert claims that “the original spark” of the novel was his conviction that “superheroes are disastrous for mankind,” and a desire to dramatize how the mythmaking impulse that crowns a hero inevitably conjures a toxic, totalitarian social system of “demagogues, fanatics, con-game artists . . . [and] innocent and not so innocent bystanders.”

Dune, then, explores what makes the hero seductive enough that people willingly, even rapturously, “turn over their judgement and decision-making faculties.” This framing locates Dune alongside projects like Theodor Adorno’s “F-Scale,” in the grand tradition of postwar theorizing about fascist subjectivity. Rather than theorize the seductiveness of the fascist imagination, Herbert’s novel is intended to function as a trap, a mechanism intended both to perform the siren song of hero worship and simultaneously estrange readers from that experience, exposing their own complicit desires for it.

The result is a text in which the surface narrative of imperial power fantasy is conveyed through multiple viewpoints, each of which undercuts and complicates the others. The novel provides plenty of clues for how readers are intended to approach this hedge of perspectives. An example is Leto’s advice to a young Paul:

Knowing where the trap is — that’s the first step in evading it. This is like single combat, Son, only on a larger scale — a feint within a feint within a feint . . . seemingly without end. The task is to unravel it.
Leto speaks of the politics in the novel, but his advice applies to the politics of the novel, too. Little should be taken at face value. Each element of the narrative is meant to provoke reactions in the reader, misdirect their attention, and set them up for the next confounding or estranging jolt.

The critical elements of the novel are found in the framing and subtext, in the interplay of perspective, and especially in the sardonic tone that suffuses the text. Here again, the text offers the careful reader clear instruction. In one of the epigraphs framing the narrative, Paul says of his own performance as a “hero”:

The person experiencing greatness . . . must have a strong sense of the sardonic. This is what uncouples him from belief in his own pretensions. The sardonic is all that permits him to move within himself.
Dune’s dour, self-lacerating tone is what allows the novel to “move within” itself and its own heroic pretensions. Stilted dialogue, caustic asides, and other sour notes dampen ostensibly epic and exciting plot elements, recasting Paul’s “hero’s journey” as a descent into cynical self-destruction, as when Paul turns to his companion Stilgar, in a moment of triumph, to find his friend has “become a worshipper,” a mere “creature” ruined by Paul’s own ambition. By poisoning its feast of fascist aesthetics, the novel strives to put us off the taste for good.

The first and in some ways most important reader to fall into this trap was John W. Campbell, editor of Analog Science Fiction and Fact magazine, where the first version of Dune was serially published. A notorious aficionado of psychic übermenschen, Campbell was thrilled by this “grand yarn,” and his correspondence with Herbert about the manuscript shows little initial awareness of its critical treatment of his favorite themes.

Campbell’s embrace allowed the ambitious narrative to see the light of day: Without the Analog publication, Herbert would have had an even harder time selling the text as a novel. But his reaction also showed the weakness in the book’s approach. While the seductive fascist aesthetic is right up on the surface, inescapable, the critical and estranging elements have proved all too easy to miss, by Campbell and generations of readers that have followed him. Worse, this narrative mechanism is most likely to fail those already targeted for fascist recruiting: Young people and those underserved by our devastated educational systems.

For all readers, making sense of a narrative comprised of feints within feints, “seemingly without end,” means your ultimate interpretation is mostly a function of the level at which you choose to stop digging. Scholars like David Higgins and Jordan Scott Carroll have recently shown that both naïve and more motivated readings centering the fascist spectacle in Dune have made the novel a touchstone of the modern right; indeed, as Daniel Immerwahr and Chris Dite have argued, some of these “bad” readings might be closer to Herbert’s own views than many fans like to admit.

The key for the Left, then, is to pay more attention to the questions the text raises, rather than the tainted answers it offers. For instance, as mentioned, Dune gives us an extended critique of the hero mystique. It asks how we reevaluate the role of iconic political figures in light of Paul’s “bad heroism,” and how we build on their vision and charisma while avoiding Stilgar’s fate; how, ultimately, we remain comrades in struggle, rather than idols and worshippers. (The second novel in the series, Dune Messiah, is helpful here, as the autocratic tendencies in Paul’s “heroism” and their grim consequences rise to the surface.)

Meanwhile, as Immerwahr has shown, Herbert’s representation of indigeneity is vexed at best. The novel’s portrait of the Fremen’s “desert power” and the ecological literacy underlying it is steeped in the distinctively libertarian countercultural mode of Northern California in the mid-1960s, best expressed in the eclectic DIY ethos of Stewart Brand’s Whole Earth Catalog — which presented materials ranging from homesteading supplies to books on non-Western philosophy as “tools” with which the settler-colonial hipster can pioneer their own intentional community.

The celebration of ecological wisdom in the novel is always, at the same time, the expansion of the imperial subject’s power over themselves and their environment — what Higgins has called fantasies of “psychic decolonization” — even if the novel undercuts such fantasies by holding that such attempts at control inevitably fail.

As we seek paths to avoid environmental catastrophe, acting in solidarity with indigenous communities and honoring and learning from their traditional knowledges will be key to our survival. How, then, can we avoid the approaches the novel dramatizes, which appropriate and instrumentalize such wisdom, weaponizing it as means of power-over?

Similar questions apply to the novel’s portrayal of women, which, as Kara Kennedy has argued, is complex and sometimes contradictory. Lady Jessica is, for most practical purposes, the coprotagonist of the first half of the novel, but she and the rest of the mysterious and potent Bene Gesserit order are ultimately cast as Paul’s antagonists, and his co-option of their feminine-coded abilities for his own masculine purposes is central to his ascent to superheroism.

Making these women the perpetrators of the breeding program that produced Paul’s superhuman powers (and those of the rest of the novels’ extraordinarily skilled characters) means that they ultimately take the fall for Herbert’s own eugenicist predilections.

The Bene Gesserit and their powers are pathologized in the narrative in a manner that makes shaming and repudiating them central to Paul’s own “heroic journey” — but his appropriation of the “Bene Gesserit Way” also helps us think about the ways neoliberal capitalism and the gig economy exploit and commodify the kin-keeping and caring labor most often performed by women.

My own work has focused on how Dune’s fetishization of training and human potential anticipates neoliberalism’s transformation of human beings into human capital, to be managed and developed to maximize returns on investment. Paul is one of the first superheroes whose powers turn on speculation and preemption: Rather than being fantastically strong and powerful like Superman, he uses his prescience and minutely trained senses to invest the minimum force to the precise points where it will have maximum effect. He is the hero as arbitrageur, a warrior in the mode of Donald Rumsfeld’s “Revolution in Military Affairs.”

Paul’s transformation into a speculative superhero is both triumph and self-destruction, spurring consideration of the way neoliberal language infests our experiences and our activism: We “invest our time” and scrutinize the “impact of those investments.” How, in Dune’s light, can we reimagine our agency and our goals outside the language of human capital development Paul dramatizes?

Read with an ear for these issues, Dune can offer powerful images and cautionary tales for leftist organizing and struggle. It helps us better understand those who have succumbed to the tainted delights Dune offers and parallels — especially important in light of the ways Villeneuve’s adaptation smooths away the novel’s sardonic edges. At best, Dune might even give us some of the tools to free others from the narrative’s trap.
 
It is almost like they did not really read the books.
Don't worry; the censorship and newspeak rewrites of Dalh were the bellwether for the future of that sort of thing. "no no, Bland Crumbs, Dune was always a book about how awesome socialism was, don't you know that? Let's get you back to the day room and you can work on some puzzles."

So it doesn't matter if they've read the books; they'll censor and edit them to fit their own narrative.
 
Liberal bigots are the ones who trouble me most. I distrust the extremes. Scratch a conservative and you find someone who prefers the past over any future. Scratch a liberal and find a closet aristocrat.
 
It's hilarious, some other journo scum drew the polar opposite conclusion from Dune. Behold:

Dune | Frank Herbert’s Homophobia, Baron Harkonnen, and Queer Menace

An incestuous pedophile as originally written, we explore the homophobic legacy of Dune’s queer-coded Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.

When Denis Villeneuve’s new Dune adaptation arrived in cinemas, fans of Frank Herbert’s massively influential sci-fi series were impatient to see how their favorite characters had been interpreted for the screen this time around. Timothee Chalamet would be taking on the role of the young Messiah figure Paul Atreides, Zendaya would be playing the desert-dwelling Chani, and Stellan Skarsgård had inherited the complicated legacy of a classic queer-coded villain: Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.

When the original novel was written in the 1960s, it reflected issues like environmentalism with a prescient and progressive lens. Through Herbert’s comprehensive world-building, he raised intelligent questions about how to live within an ecosystem and deal with natural resources, even if his characters happened to be facing huge Sandworms at the same time. But Dune had a blind spot when it came to another burgeoning movement: the underground fight for gay liberation that would emerge after the Stonewall riots in 1969.

This time little of Herbert’s more unpleasant characterization made it to the screen but in the novel, Baron Harkonnen – an incestuous pedophile – is the only gay character in the series. And everything about the Baron is designed to be as repulsive as possible to a contemporary reader so that he would be singled out as the most cartoonishly villainous character out of the book’s antagonists. His physical appearance is described as “grossly and immensely fat” with “suspensors” under his robes to actually hold up his flesh, making him yet another fat villain demonized for their weight. Herbert contrasts the Baron’s large body with the young and lithe slaveboys that he lusts after and exploits, in order to further drive home the horror of him using his immense power over them.

Baron Harkonnen and his Sinister Sex Life​

Even from the Baron’s first appearance, the author doesn’t shy away from portraying his attraction to boys. When his conversation turns to our hero Paul, who is heir to the Atreides family, he considers the idea of sending an assassin after the teenager. “Ah, but the lad has such a sweet young body,” the Baron muses, before accepting that he is too dangerous to survive. Later, after murdering a doctor who had defected to his side and watching his guards dying from a poisonous gas attack, the remorseless villain requests a distraction. “I’ll be in my sleeping chambers,” the Baron casually tells a guardsman. “Bring me that young fellow we bought on Gamont, the one with the lovely eyes. Drug him well. I don’t feel like wrestling.”

The implication that the Baron regularly drugs young slave boys to avoid a fight can hardly be brushed aside. Herbert has established that his queer antagonist is a rapist, fixated on sexually assaulting youthful and beautiful boys. And at the end of the chapter, the Baron observes that “the one with the lovely eyes” resembles Paul, which establishes that he poses a sexual threat to the young protagonist as well. That choice of words is also later repeated when he reflects on his young nephew Feyd’s future as a leader, making it clear exactly what the Baron would like to do with him. “He’ll learn. And such a lovely body. Really a lovely boy,” the villain thinks to himself. He had already noticed “his nephew’s lips, the full and pouting look of them,” in their first scene together – revealing to the audience that this monster is not only a predator but an incestuous one.

Feyd attempts to use his knowledge of the Baron’s sexual proclivities for his own gain when he tries to assassinate his uncle, by hiding a poisoned needle in the thigh of another young slave boy. Although the attempt fails, the fact that Feyd knew his uncle would try to put a hand on the slave’s thigh is telling. The Baron’s sexuality is clearly an open secret amongst the Harkonnens, as he reluctantly admits in the same scene. When his nephew asks why he hasn’t ever obtained one of the Bene Gesserit women for himself, given their superhuman abilities, the Baron snaps: “You know my tastes!” This single portrayal of homosexuality combines predatory stereotypes, incestuous desires, and body shaming. As it turns out, these uncomfortable tropes probably reflected Herbert’s own views.

Frank Herbert’s Own Homophobia​

Although he’s mostly avoided the kind of publicity that has dogged fellow sci-fi writer Orson Scott Card, whose hysterical rants against gay marriage are infamous, Herbert’s political beliefs definitely leaned towards the right wing. As his son Brian recalled in the biography Dreamer of Dune (2003), he actually worked for several Republicans over the years. Before he was known worldwide for his science fiction, the author earned his keep by writing speeches and creating publicity for the campaigns of conservative candidates. He even worked for Oregon Senator Guy Cordon, who was a fervent Joseph McCarthy supporter. And Herbert’s opinions led to a distant, complicated relationship with his other son Bruce.

The brothers had a difficult childhood, raised by a man who would rig them up to a lie detector machine whenever they were in trouble and punish them regardless of the result. Bruce would grow up to be a gay photographer and activist who participated in “Act Up” marches after he moved to the queer scene in San Francisco. According to Brian, their parents were “not at all pleased by this information” and wished that he had never chosen that lifestyle. Their relationship remained difficult even during the dying days of Bruce’s mother, who was reportedly “troubled” by him “exposing himself to grave dangers in the gay community.” Herbert, who shared similar concerns, told his son not to visit his mother on her deathbed.

Bruce knew how his family felt about his homosexuality and never fully made up with Herbert. Although both sons outlived their father, they went on very different paths: Brian inherited the Dune series and still runs the estate, whereas Bruce eventually died of AIDS. This quiet family tragedy reflects that although Herbert may have been a hero to countless young sci-fi fans around the globe, he represented a slightly more complicated figure to his own children. Sadly, the author’s attitude towards gay men reflected the era he was born in and seemingly alienated him from Bruce.

Homophobia in David Lynch’s Dune and Homoeroticism in Denis Villeneuve’s​

The 1984 David Lynch adaptation didn’t fix the original novel’s stereotypes but instead updated it for a new decade. In his book Hollywood from Vietnam to Reagan – and Beyond (1986), film critic Robin Wood accused Dune of being “the most obscenely homophobic film I have ever seen” thanks to its antagonist – and one scene in particular. Lynch was coming off his two early hits Eraserhead (1977) and The Elephant Man (1980), which featured both surreal and disturbing imagery, so he decided to leave his own stamp on this adaptation too. In a moment that traumatized a generation of young viewers, David Lynch demonstrated what kind of monster the Baron truly was.

After a passionate monologue about how he will seize power, the villain, played by a menacing Kenneth McMillan, approaches a young slave boy. He then rips out his heart plug, a gruesome device invented for the movie that seems to keep slaves in line through the constant threat of death. The boy begins to rapidly bleed out through his translucent uniform as the Baron embraces him. Blood sprays across the wall as the music swells. Other Harkonnen men watch voyeuristically during the act; some are reluctant, some are impassive, and others are interested. Feyd, played by Sting, grins manically at the climax, as though sharing the sadistic lust of his rapacious uncle.

In this scene, Lynch also frames the Baron as another classic trope of sexual threat: the vampire, which has been associated with seduction and homoeroticism since Lord Byron provided inspiration for John Polidori’s novella The Vampyre (1819). A suspender belt gives the Baron the supernatural ability to fly around despite his size, which he uses to cover himself in some kind of filthy black oil. When the villain then approaches the slave boy, he physically towers over him, similar to how Bela Lugosi’s creature of the night looms over Renfield in the climactic staircase murder of the 1931 film Dracula. He also deliberately contaminates his victim, smearing the mysterious black fluid on his face along with the boy’s own blood.

It’s worth noting that whilst Denis Villeneuve has thus far done away with the sexual sadism of Lynch’s incarnation, he has – if anything – leaned more heavily into the vampiric imagery, with the ghoulishly grey Harkonnen (Stellan Skarsgård)’s robes trailing below him as he rises on his suspender belt. Queerness is then inescapably part of the subtext and once the Harkonnen spring their trap, homoeroticism is dragged firmly into the fore as he looms above the very paralyzed and very naked Duke Leto (Oscar Isaac). At one point the Baron is framed from behind, gorging himself with food, his head level with Leto’s groin.

How the 1984 Dune Reflected the Horror of HIV​

In the following decade, the vampire genre would also invoke the specter of AIDS. It had always been associated with contamination and plague (some have argued that the word “Nosferatu” itself is derived from the Greek for “disease-bearing”) but the invisible infection of a fluid-transmitted curse no longer just rang a bell when it came to Bram Stoker’s own alleged syphilis. Francis Ford Coppola’s 1992 interpretation of Dracula, for example, played up the fact that Dr. Van Helsing (Anthony Hopkins) is a specialist in blood-borne diseases. The film focuses on the blood transfusions that are supposed to save Lucy’s life after she’s been bitten, showing the glint of light off the doctor’s machinery. And Lynch’s cameras seem equally interested in fluids and disease when it comes to the villainous Baron.

McMillan’s portrayal of Baron Harkonnen in Dune was covered in sores, as critics pointed out at the time, which were also reminiscent of the ongoing AIDS crisis. Although the pustules had never been described in the novels, that detail was later incorporated into the sequels that his son wrote. Lynch’s film had started shooting in 1983, the same year that the World Health Organization held its first meeting officially addressing how AIDS was spreading across the globe. The New York Times also devoted a front-page piece to the epidemic for the first time, declaring: “HEALTH CHIEF CALLS AIDS BATTLE NO. 1 PRIORITY.” Panic had set in across the country and pressure was beginning to build for the government to do something about this mysterious illness.

So it’s entirely possible that HIV was the intentional subtext of the movie, especially in scenes where the Baron’s doctor tends to his skin. Working on the Baron with needles, the doctor and his assistant send mysterious fluids pumping through a nearby glass vessel. “You are SO beautiful, my Baron. Your skin, love to me. Your diseases lovingly cared for, for all eternity,” he promises the leader with slavish affection. Besides the homoerotic image of the doctor whispering intimately into his ear, referring to Macmillan’s obviously masculine villain as “beautiful,” contemporary audiences may have been alarmed by the reference to “diseases.” The words “for all eternity” are particularly key: like vampirism, like AIDS, whatever the Baron has is a lifelong condition.

Sexuality in the Wider Dune Universe​

So why is this franchise’s queer desire linked with violence and illness? Why is homosexuality so vilified in both the original novel and its film adaptation, when it would have been so easy not to include it at all? Possibly because it symbolically disrupts the natural order of Herbert’s worldbuilding. Across the books, the point of sex is reproduction. We return again and again to the problem of inheritance, as indicated by the titles given to Baron Harkonnen, Duke Leto, Count Fenring, and Lady Jessica. The aristocratic hierarchy of the planets harks back to monarchies of a different era and rulers that had inherited their claim to absolute power.

Paul specifically is the result of a breeding program planned for centuries by the Bene Gesserit and their secret abilities. The all-female order had interfered in political situations and maneuvered genetic outcomes so that the Atreides line would produce an heir who would advance the human race. Paul turned out to be this “Kwisatz Haderach,” a son capable of expanding his mind to achieve extraordinary powers. And later, the primary outcome of Paul’s connection with the Fremen concubine Chani isn’t a romance; the most important consequence is that they have a son who inherits his father’s crucial genetic material. Gay men cannot produce children or advance any bloodlines in the universe of Dune, so therefore any sex they have is automatically portrayed as wasteful and immoral.

Homosexuality is also connected in Dune’s universe to violent subjugation. “He who controls the spice controls the universe,” the Baron famously spits in the 1984 film. And absolute conquest is his motivation, whether he is casually molesting and murdering a slave boy or plotting the elimination of the Atreides family. Herbert’s depiction of his sexuality could represent another facet of that despotic personality, as part of his larger motivation to consume and overwhelm. The Baron may not have any interest in women sexually or politically because he doesn’t see them as an equal who is worthy of being defeated.

The Politics of Frank Herbert’s Dune Sequels​

The homophobic assumption that gay men are all predators applies to the wider world of the Dune books as well. In a later novel, God Emperor of Dune (1981), Paul’s descendant Leto has turned himself into a god-like sandworm figure who must sacrifice himself for the good of the universe. And in his infinite wisdom, this Christ-like figure only allows women in his army, out of the fear that an all-male military force would descend into predatory behavior. “The Lord Leto says that when it was denied an external enemy, the all-male army always turned against its own population. Always,” the character Moneo reports, imparting the beliefs of the powerful Atreides successor. “He says that the all-male army has a strong tendency toward homosexual activities.”

After another character objects to this theory, Moneo blames “adolescent attitudes” for creating an atmosphere that encourages both gay experimentation and sadism. “The homosexual, latent or otherwise, who maintains that condition for reasons which could be purely psychological, tends to indulge in pain-causing behavior – seeking it for himself and inflicting it upon others,” Herbert writes through this mouthpiece, adding the justification that according to Lord Leto, this “goes back to the testing behavior in the prehistoric pack.” Moneo also later casually claims that gay men are naturally “the berserkers of last resort” in battle, which is how they can be useful to an army. This is the same kind of pseudo-science that has historically been used to demonize homosexuality as a mental illness, justifying conversion therapy and depicting gay men as an existential threat to society.

Then again, that power-hungry tyranny applies to the world order of the whole series. The lords, ladies, and barons exist within a social hierarchy that looks a lot like old-fashioned feudalism, ruled over by one supreme emperor who delegates power to certain powerful families. Those families may wrestle for power among themselves, planning assassinations and arranging political marriages, but they ultimately fall in line. One of the heroes of the books suggests that this class system is the “best social form” for a civilization stretching across different planets. In order to keep humanity going, another character explains, the species requires the “ancient human demand” for a strict hierarchy “where every person knows his place.” But is Herbert himself actually advocating for a political system like this?

Queer Origins and Shades of Grey​

There are no straightforward answers in the universe of Dune. Its moral ambiguity is one reason why fans love it so much: even our supposed hero Paul later kicks off a brutal 12-year Jihad to enforce the Fremen way of life on the rest of the known universe, sacrificing billions of lives. And Paul’s heterosexuality isn’t quite as fixed as his strapping young Chosen One characterization might suggest: becoming the “Kwisatz Haderach” requires him to open his mind to both male and female consciousness, which creates quite a potent metaphor for transgender and non-binary identity. The Atreides heir is also largely based on Lawrence of Arabia, a desert explorer whose own sexuality has been the subject of debate for decades.

In his biography, Brian Herbert wrote that his father had read extensively about T.E. Lawrence and the mythology surrounding him: how the British explorer became a messianic figure to the Arab forces he led in a fight for independence against the Turks, his assimilation to the harsh desert environment, and his writings about the people he encountered. Lawrence’s life clearly influenced the journey of Paul in Dune: the heir to a great family who joins the Fremen people, a resourceful and religious desert tribe based on the Bedouin, and leads them to victory against oppressive occupying forces. As other critics have pointed out, it’s the original white savior narrative.

But Lawrence didn’t fall in love with a local woman, mirroring Paul’s romance with Chani. Instead, he formed a close connection to “Dahoum,” or Selim Ahmed, a water boy who taught Lawrence how to speak Arabic and later moved in with him as a companion. After Ahmed died of typhoid, the Englishman left a mysterious dedication in his book The Seven Pillars of Wisdom to “S.A.,” which most historians now interpret as a tribute to his young friend. “I loved you, so I drew these tides of men into my hands and wrote my will across the sky in stars to earn you Freedom, that seven-pillared worthy house, that your eyes might be shining for me when we came…” the adventurer wrote, hinting that his entire motivation behind joining the Arab forces might have been his love for Ahmed.

Where Do We Go From Here?​

So in a sense, queerness was baked into Dune from the moment Herbert started thinking it up. Science fiction in the 1960s wasn’t overflowing with representation, so this was yet another way that Dune separated itself from its contemporaries. But for any LGBTQ+ fans of the franchise, the Baron’s villainy is a tough conundrum. It would perhaps be easier to swallow if there were any other queer characters populating the planets of Herbert’s imagination, but sadly, there doesn’t seem to be a real demand for any gay bars on Arrakis or Caladan.

And there’s never been a real attempt to explore the entire spectrum of sexuality in any of the adaptations: the 1984 David Lynch film, the miniseries from 2000, or the new Villeneuve epic. Although this new movie might have cut the overtly predatory elements of Stellan Skarsgård’s bald, gravel-voiced Baron Harkonnen, there’s no sign of any LGBTQ+ representation in the new movies at all. Arguably, if we want to give the great work of science fiction the full adaptation it deserves, we should address Herbert’s complicated view of sexuality and interrogate his homophobic preconceptions, rather than shying away from them.

After all, fear is the mind-killer.
 
meaning there is less expert consensus to guide commentators, pundits, and regular folks trying to sort out the novel’s meaning and politics

Good. We could use a bit less of "experts" telling us what things mean. If I go on YouTube I find more commentators on the news with "_________ explained" than the matter itself. It's as though people's desire these days is less about knowing something, than being able to correct other people or be seen to have understood the thing. How worrying.

The celebration of ecological wisdom in the novel is always, at the same time, the expansion of the imperial subject’s power over themselves and their environment — what Higgins has called fantasies of “psychic decolonization” — even if the novel undercuts such fantasies by holding that such attempts at control inevitably fail.

I'm not sure they do show that such attempts "inevitably fail". The Harkonnen successfully dominate Dune for the entire duration of their occupation. They certainly suffer isolated losses inflicted on them by the Fremen but it's not until the Atreides come along and Paul begins teaching them the "Weirding way" and organising and uniting them that they manage to overcome the Harkonnen. At which point they've not so much showed that attempts to control an environment inevitably fail so much as become the next player in the sequence. The casting of the Fremen as some kind of embodiment of the planet is gone once they become the footsoldiers of Paul's new jihad.

Making these women the perpetrators of the breeding program that produced Paul’s superhuman powers (and those of the rest of the novels’ extraordinarily skilled characters) means that they ultimately take the fall for Herbert’s own eugenicist predilections.

And here is the group thinking of the Leftist Progressive. The person who has not been taught to think of everything in terms of IdPol sees the Bene Gesserit as what they are - a group of power-hungry manipulators. The IdPol person sees them as "women" and that whatever they do is a commentary on women. I'm pretty bloody certain that the Bene Gesserit are something like 0.00001% of women in the galaxy. But this reader has to see any commentary on them as a commentary on women. I suppose they would argue that they are a much higher proportion of the women in the novel itself, but again that doesn't make them a commentary on women in general. And if it were - does the writer think that women are less capable of powerlust than men? And what has it to do with socialism anyway? (I know the answer to that but I can't be bothered here).

but his appropriation of the “Bene Gesserit Way” also helps us think about the ways neoliberal capitalism and the gig economy exploit and commodify the kin-keeping and caring labor most often performed by women.

Leftists: Masculinity is toxic.
Also leftists: Behaving like women is appropriation.

The system that does the most good is the one that does the most good.
But by outsourcing it to another party you are also outsourcing the definition of good. Unless the thing is just implementing your desires in which case you haven't outsourced anything and it's just a tool.

In all fairness, the Minds don't really force you to stay. If someone didn't like the commie anarchist libertarian utopia, they are free to leave. Plus Culture citizens can vote on matters and even secede without trouble. Plus, Banks has given his own utopia plenty of shade for the very reasons of its monotony. Again, no one is obligated to stay there.
Use of Weapons is unquestionably the best Culture novel if you were to ask me. A character in that actually outsmarts an AI. It is pretty much the lowest level of AI there is orders of magnitude below a mind (a knife missile/drone) and it is only temporary. I recall it also took him years of preparation to pull off. But the other characters are still somewhat blown away that he pulls it off.

Yeah, what the hell? It might make sense in Dune, but I refuse to accept a god that allows worldwide famines and discord just to make us "stronger". It's even stranger to accept that cruelty as necessary when you're already at the receiving end of it.
Nor should you accept it. It's the non-acceptance of it that makes us strong. But it is a consistent theme of the novel. The Sardurker are the emperor's elites because they are from the prison planet - the harshest environment that there is. They are beaten by the Fremen, Paul realises, because Dune is actually a harsher environment again.

BTW, apologies to all Dune fans for the doubtless misspellings throughout my post. It's a long time since I've read Dune and I can't be bothered looking everything up.

I wouldn't say it's a strange world view. I'd say it's accurate. Humans are tribalistic, xenophobic, and vicious. We conquer, and we kill, and win. The contradictory traits of co-operation, and altruism - in terms of evolutionary biology - exist to supplement the vicious ones, not actually contradict them.
The virtues - compassion, loyalty, self-sacrifice, et al. - came later than the traits you describe. If we're going to get teleological about this and your posts are inclined to such, then who is to say they exist only to supplement the earlier traits? Don't they exist to mitigate those traits in some sense? Loyalty, mercy, trust... they enable trade. You sound like someone who might remark "politics is war by other means" but not realise that using other means can be a good thing. War is awful. If we can find better tools to resolve our differences is that not good? Not everything is a zero sum game. In fact very few things are.

I really like Iain Banks as well and I think his exploration of the Culture is great. It starts off quite heavy handed, his metaphor woth the cannibal fat dude and religion is like being hit with a brick, but as the series progressed you can see him thinking more about his utopia and how it makes humanity not really human. I suspect writing it made him confront his own political biases.
That theme is one of many that reflects in dune - do we need violent struggle to remain human as a culture?
It’s a genuinely great book, if you haven’t read it, I would.
The thing with the Minds is that whilst you can leave the Culture, the Minds wont seek you out and force your conformity, their sheer existence affects what it is to be human. If you know that you will always be runner up, does that not diminish the desire to run? If everything you achieve will be a poor reflection of the better creatures you live alongside, can you take the same joy in it?

Lovecraft wrote in The Call of Cthulhu "...knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age" Isn't that the choice of the people in The Culture? To lose what it is to be human or else flee into ignorance and somehow forget the Minds exist at all, returning to some dark age where they can struggle and farm and fight?
 
@Overly Serious Forum is sperging out and won't let me direct quote you.

The virtues - compassion, loyalty, self-sacrifice, et al. - came later than the traits you describe. If we're going to get teleological about this and your posts are inclined to such, then who is to say they exist only to supplement the earlier traits? Don't they exist to mitigate those traits in some sense? Loyalty, mercy, trust... they enable trade. You sound like someone who might remark "politics is war by other means" but not realise that using other means can be a good thing. War is awful. If we can find better tools to resolve our differences is that not good? Not everything is a zero sum game. In fact very few things are.
I don't think I'm being particularly teleological about why sacrifice, compassion and loyalty,e tc, emerge. I don't know why they emerged, I just know that we can model them, and that they only make sense within a model of them being good for survival in the sense that they are still there to propagate your own in group. Therefore, I don't see them as mitigating traits, or negative traits, because traits themselves are only positively selected for when they work towards survival. If these traits exist to contradict the early survivalist traits, then we are evolving towards a niche which is not friendly, or long lasting for humans. Survival is, on a grand scale, very much a zero sum game; not because the resources, or space is particularly limited, but because the forms in which human beings engage with each other always change; but if we are human will always retain the capacity for violence. The Kakapo and the Falcon are both Aves, but only one is being wiped out by rats.

I would also say politics is war by any other means sure, and so is trade, and diplomacy, because they are all backed by violence. We are not using 'other means' when we engage in trade, we are threatening violence should trade break down. Whenever individuals, and states engage with each other, on any level, there is always the implicit threat threat of the final decision maker - violence - lingering in the background, even if we don't actively acknowledge it. The idea that violence is something other, and apart from other means, rather than the yardstick for other means is - in my opinion - only really possible by dint of us A) Living in a longstanding era of relative peace, B) Thinking that this peace is in anyway the norm, and C) Ignoring the fact that this peace is kept through threat of global holocaust should war break out. War is of course terrible, suffering is terrible, dying is terrible, and I don't want to do any of those things. They are however also an intrinsic part of being human, as they are expressions of conflict in their most blunt form. Obviously it is rather circular to say that "Humans need conflict, because conflict allows them to grow, which makes them ready for conflict.". But that is essentially my argument. Life is an evolving process, and the substrate of that evolution is conflict.
 
This is the second article in as many days that compared Dune to Tolkien and The Lord Of The Rings.

It's like these goofs just discovered this stuff.
It's because of the remake making it harder for them to mock/belittle/ignore Dune, because a meme film maker made a new version that actually made fucking money at the box office.

Herbert was long considered problematic by the left and Dune mocked as being unfilmable without bastardizing the text of the film.

The Lynch version, while compromised, did a great job distilling the plot and had some interesting additions (The Weirding Modules and their influence on the Emperor's decision to wipe out Paul's family, the mantras and character designs for certain characters Lynch invented, plus the modified ending) to the lore that have stayed with the franchise. But it didn't do well at the box office and is an old shame for David Lynch, which allowed the left to mock the film outside a few bits that because it was the trendy thing to do.

And the less said the better about the books Herbert's family wrote after he died.

But the meme director had a hit with Dune, even though it's a lifeless, soulless dark and gray parody of the Lynch version and didn't even tell the full movie and now the left are falling over themselves to try and co-opt it before it gives people "bad ideas".
 
Hilariously, Socialism does exist. Its in the videogames with a faction called House Ordos. And just like actual socialism, everyone at the bottom of the ladder gets fucked and if you piss off the high lords that control Ordos, you get fucked royally.

In the books, they're but a minor house as the conflict is always Artreides - Harkonen, the Emperor + Bene Gesserit sisterhood.

Highly recommend Dune 2000 and Emperor Battle for Dune.

Music kicks ass too.


Don't worry; the censorship and newspeak rewrites of Dalh were the bellwether for the future of that sort of thing. "no no, Bland Crumbs, Dune was always a book about how awesome socialism was, don't you know that? Let's get you back to the day room and you can work on some puzzles."

So it doesn't matter if they've read the books; they'll censor and edit them to fit their own narrative.
So the Harkonen method of how everything is renamed to fit the new Baron. Its clear that these woke morons don't actually read what they intend to rewrite.
 
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