The Riordan Autism

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

I'm sure in this vase from 470 BC, Zeus is just showing his dick to Ganymede while grabbing his arm like any normal student teacher relationship.

Spoiler: Gay

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You can find hundreds of Ancient Greek paintings of certain deities like Ganymede or Adonis or Hyacinthus getting fucked or grabbing each other's dicks, let alone paintings of two random dudes doing the same thing. And that's not even getting into the poetry and descriptions of gay love, or the fact they were called eromenos, the word obviously relating to eros i.e. sexual love.

>literally brings up the myth that Plato decries as pedophiles justifying their existence

It was never accepted

 

[Cryptojew]

They keep men around for brute labor and implied sex, all the men are collared and submissive. It was a point of friction between them and the hunters, who would generally rather men didn’t exist at all.

Ah yes, I remember now. Didn't one of them tell Percy he'd "look good in a collar" or something? In hindsight that was a weird segment for a kids book, maybe Rick has a bdsm thing he'd like to share with us. The Femcels of Artemis were a lot more fun (and memorable).

 

[el bandito loco]

I remember trying to read these books in 5th grade when they were new and thought they kinda sucked. the Greek myth shit was kinda cool but it was too Harry Potter derivative in my mind. I was more into Cirque du Freak which is another YA shitshow about some kid joining a magical world but it was about Vampires so I gravitated to it more because I was the age I was starting to get into horror movies.
However I'm not surprised this series or the writer or whatever has went of the rails and the new movie or show or whatever it is will be diversity faggotry. I'm not sure what it is in the water with people who write books or media for kids in general but they all go super crazy on the woke shit or end up 'growing up' with their audience which means they just groom them with weird sex stuff in later volumes of whatever book.
I think part of the problem is something I've noticed irl is the actual people reading these books are like in their 20s. I guess its because the last time they read a book and liked it they were a kid but I wonder if all this pandery shit is because kids only actually make up like half of the YA novel audience and most of it is retarded women and feminine males who are too retarded to read an adult book and have some sort of pull to make sure this shit is still for them.
the worst part is these are the people that read every spin off that's the literal same thing just a different theme. even when I was 11 I wasn't going to fall for that shit. If all the other mythology spin offs existed then I would have just read whichever one I was more interested in and not bothered with the others because it's obviously the same shit.
regardless every time I'm in a bookstore like clockwork when I walk by the YA section there will be like 2 kids and like 12 people in their 20s looking at those shelves. Its kinda crazy.

 

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>literally brings up the myth that Plato decries as pedophiles justifying their existence

It was never accepted

Read the actual quote from Plato, he says "And we all accuse the Cretans of concocting the story about Ganymede to justify their unnatural pleasures," meaning it was clearly accepted on Crete because that's where the Greeks believed it originated. And the Cretans were very influential throughout Greece. Those gay paintings I posted were from Athens for instance.

 

[Faggy Blanket]

I absolutely need to sperg over this. The books (PJO, HOO, and the Kane Chronicles) were some of my favorites as a kid and I still have them on my shelf. But of course he went woke and seemingly isn't going broke, unless you count being creatively and morally bankrupt.

The original PJO series was good for what it was, aka a bastardized modernized Greek mythology flavored Harry Potter knockoff about chosen children. Riordan was good at writing Percy's voice (first person POV, remember this), and overall he was a character who didn't take himself too seriously and you could root for him. The books were fast-paced and entertaining with plenty of monster slashing, and Percy was the glue that kept it all together.

The wheels really started to fall off when he wrote the HOO series. You could tell he ran out of steam, none of the HOO characters had even a tenth of Percy's personality. The non-Percy Prophecy Seven or whatever are indistinguishable to me, they're a hodgepodge of cultural pandering. Hell, even a background character like Rachel Elizabeth Dare had more personality/drive than any of the seven, it seems like every time they were on the page Riordan had them going "muh Chinese grandma" or "muh injun grandpa". Out of the new characters I think Leo had the most potential with being a true outsider and whatnot, but I despise the ending he was given.

And don't even get me started on how Riordan ruined Nico. He was loaded with motivations and a really compelling story, imagine being from WWII era Italy, being locked in a hotel for 70 years, being the son of the god everyone hates, and losing your sister, who was your only family. His resentment and anger made him a wild card, and Riordan completely ruined him by making him a fag. It was all because he had a crush on Percy??? Really??? I remember being annoyed when I got to that part of the book and now it makes my blood boil, because Nico was one of the few good characters (new or old) that Riordan had in the HOO series, only for him to become defined by his relationship with Will Solace.

I don't understand why Riordan pivoted so hard to pandering. Maybe he was a natural victim of the brainrot that was going around in the early 10s, he wrote the book for his ADHD/dyslexic son after all. But the way he went completely loony troon is mind boggling. Apollo turning mortal and endorsing gays, an enby Norse genderspecial, some characters being asexual/demisexual/whatever the hell, having muzzie characters in the books endorsing non-Allah gods for some reason when the Greek gods' incompatibility with Christianity was mentioned like once in the entire original PJO series? I don't get it. I didn't read those books. He should've stopped at Carter and Sadie Kane being mixed race (and bi-national in Sadie's case) with dead parents, I felt like that situation was explained well in the first Kane Chronicles book.

Riordan really showed his ass when he went from bitching over Alexandra Daddario not having blonde hair, to shoving a completely inaccurate casting down people's throats and calling them racist if they didn't like it. Even Percy is miscast, he's supposed to have black hair and green eyes and they casted some pasty ginger kid.

 

[CryoRevival #SJ-112]

They keep men around for brute labor and implied sex, all the men are collared and submissive. It was a point of friction between them and the hunters, who would generally rather men didn’t exist at all.

Ah yes, I remember now. Didn't one of them tell Percy he'd "look good in a collar" or something? In hindsight that was a weird segment for a kids book, maybe Rick has a bdsm thing he'd like to share with us. The Femcels of Artemis were a lot more fun (and memorable).

Weirdly enough, I think he could have actually used the Amazon uno reverso aesthetic pretty well without changing much at all, especially if he wanted to use it as a reflection of traditional gender power imbalance for his teen audience. A man saying he wants to force his wife into submission should be just as gross as the Amazon Queen saying she wants to buck break Percy.

I think that he was more interested in depicting 'slay kween girl power' vibes rather than a discomforting reflection of the misogynistic depictions of male-female relationships in media that could be easily absorbed and digested by his teenage male audience.

And don't even get me started on how Riordan ruined Nico. He was loaded with motivations and a really compelling story, imagine being from WWII era Italy, being locked in a hotel for 70 years, being the son of the god everyone hates, and losing your sister, who was your only family. His resentment and anger made him a wild card, and Riordan completely ruined him by making him a fag. It was all because he had a crush on Percy??? Really??? I remember being annoyed when I got to that part of the book and now it makes my blood boil, because Nico was one of the few good characters (new or old) that Riordan had in the HOO series, only for him to become defined by his relationship with Will Solace.

To be fair, what ruined him was the squandering of all these compelling character motivations which work independently, but he thought he was being clever because these can be read as painful gay origin story tropes. Parents regretting your existence, local culture hostile to gays, locked in the closet (hotel), abandoned by your family, etc.
It was a daring choice having him get manipulated by an older man who feeds on his youth, another very entrenched gay trope, though now far more taboo (cuz optics) trope.
He more or less accidentally built up a great potential character by pooling tropes, and then totally failed to recognise that it was growing to be more than the sum of its parts. Really could have taken a lesson from George R R Martin here, and gone the 'let your character grow' gardener author path.

However, think the reason for the gay revelation being more or less the end of his character arc is that at that time, coming out or realising your sexuality was seen in the mainstream culture as the climax of the gay experience, and that once you were past that, you just crystalize and live your life as a gay man like all the other identical gay men, and nobody wants to know about it. Everything after his coming out is surplus, it was all built towards that revelation, that climax of his arc. Now he's like Gohan in the Buu Saga, the character arc was completed in the Cell Saga, he has nowhere further to grow in the story, and he's basically happy with his lot in life.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

Read the actual quote from Plato, he says "And we all accuse the Cretans of concocting the story about Ganymede to justify their unnatural pleasures," meaning it was clearly accepted on Crete because that's where the Greeks believed it originated. And the Cretans were very influential throughout Greece. Those gay paintings I posted were from Athens for instance.

Both Socrates and Plato accused them of being degenerates. You literally quoted Plato saying “unnatural”, you’re effectively arguing that because a fringe group of degenerates had influence that the Greeks all accepted boy rape.

The Greeks didn’t accept it, they saw it as abusive.

 

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Both Socrates and Plato accused them of being degenerates. You literally quoted Plato saying “unnatural”, you’re effectively arguing that because a fringe group of degenerates had influence that the Greeks all accepted boy rape.

The Greeks didn’t accept it, they saw it as abusive.

You're quoting Plato out of context, the context of that quote is that the Athenian in the dialogue is criticizing the Cretans for their gymnasia turning into grooming grounds for men seeking pleasure and not their intended role as education for boys. The implication is that 1, that seeking pleasure for pleasure's sake is wrong (and Cretans even made up a story about Ganymede and Zeus to prove it wasn't) and 3, there was a time and place to rape boys in Ancient Greece and school wasn't one of them (unless you were a Cretan). Read it for yourself starting here.

 

[Cryptojew]

And don't even get me started on how Riordan ruined Nico. He was loaded with motivations and a really compelling story, imagine being from WWII era Italy, being locked in a hotel for 70 years, being the son of the god everyone hates, and losing your sister, who was your only family. His resentment and anger made him a wild card, and Riordan completely ruined him by making him a fag. It was all because he had a crush on Percy??? Really??? I remember being annoyed when I got to that part of the book and now it makes my blood boil, because Nico was one of the few good characters (new or old) that Riordan had in the HOO series, only for him to become defined by his relationship with Will Solace.

Gonna sperg about my unpopular opinion, but I've always hated Nico and thought he was a shit character before the gay reveal.

Spoiler: Sperging about Nico

His setup wasn't terrible, the "out of time/place and losing his only family member" works just fine. My main gripe is that his conflict ends in a the most boring possible way imaginable.

"I'm sad, I'm bringing back my sister so I won't be so sad."

"Nico nooooo! Biaca wouldn't want that!"

"Okay I'll stop."

Rick couldn't have done something more interesting? Maybe Nico succeeds in bringing his sister back, and she comes back unhappy and he regrets it. Or he brings her back and she just rejoins the Hunters instead of staying with her brother, reminding Nico that she's her own person and doesn't exist to take care of him. Maybe Hades shows up and has a heart to heart with his son about the importance of moving on. I feel like anything would have been more interesting than what we got.

On the topic of Bianca, she's another character I seriously dislike— she's an awful sister, and it's never really recognized in-story. She abandons her only family to become a femcel with Artemis, dies piloting the giant robot, and then refuses to talk to Nico when the poor kid is being manipulated by an evil ghost king and is being pushed towards joining Kronos. She could have just let Nico summon her ghost and talked to him, but instead Bianca sends Percy to go do it instead for some reason? And then she only talks to Nico when Percy is there, which must have really stung considering how Nico was already feeling abandoned by her.

I realize it was probably written this way to keep Nico's arc from happening off-screen, but it made Bianca feel very callous to me. This may just be me, but if I died and my younger brother had a way to contact me from beyond the grave, I'd tell him to call whenever he needed advice rather than telling him to fuck off and move on.

But my own dislike of the DiAngelo family aside, I think the worst part of Nico's gay reveal was the revalation that the real reason he was trying to bring back Bianca was because she was supposedly the only one who would have understood him being gay. Not only does it cheapen his original motivation, it's also fucking stupid— Bianca grew up in Italy during the 30s, if anything she'd be homophobic. But who knows, maybe that's why she left Nico to join the hunters in the first place, she didn't want to be deal with her little brother being a fairy.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

You're quoting Plato out of context, the context of that quote is that the Athenian in the dialogue is criticizing the Cretans for their gymnasia turning into grooming grounds for men seeking pleasure and not their intended role as education for boys. The implication is that 1, that seeking pleasure for pleasure's sake is wrong (and Cretans even made up a story about Ganymede and Zeus to prove it wasn't) and 3, there was a time and place to rape boys in Ancient Greece and school wasn't one of them (unless you were a Cretan). Read it for yourself starting here.

Nigga, I’m talking about Plato’s Law. You quoted it in the above section you fucking blithering retard. Within the context of Laws he calls them slaves to unnatural pleasure and it’s not good.

The Dialogue goes fucking on, but the basic point is that Gymnasium got corrupted by pleasure seeking faggots, yes. But he never once says “Oh this is normal”. It’s abnormal, his accusations on the dialogue call them self-serving in their myth creation.

You are literally arguing that because since Greeks had predatory pedos that it was a normal and accepted practice when it wasn’t. I’ll try to find the Greek physician who wrote “oh yeah, being abused creates a cycle where the victim goes on the abuse others”, but it was never a practice that was normalized.

 

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Nigga, I’m talking about Plato’s Law. You quoted it in the above section you fucking blithering retard. Within the context of Laws he calls them slaves to unnatural pleasure and it’s not good.

The Dialogue goes fucking on, but the basic point is that Gymnasium got corrupted by pleasure seeking faggots, yes. But he never once says “Oh this is normal”. It’s abnormal, his accusations on the dialogue call them self-serving in their myth creation.

You are literally arguing that because since Greeks had predatory pedos that it was a normal and accepted practice when it wasn’t. I’ll try to find the Greek physician who wrote “oh yeah, being abused creates a cycle where the victim goes on the abuse others”, but it was never a practice that was normalized.

It clearly was in Crete very normal to pick up boys for sex at school. Judging the entirety of Greek society because one single philosopher said in essence "school is for learning, not sex" is lunacy when not only are you reading Plato out of context to conform to some prude 19th century view on Ancient Greece, but you're ignoring all the other evidence. Do tell me what an "eromenos" is BTW.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

It clearly was in Crete very normal to pick up boys for sex at school. Judging the entirety of Greek society because one single philosopher said in essence "school is for learning, not sex" is lunacy when not only are you reading Plato out of context to conform to some prude 19th century view on Ancient Greece, but you're ignoring all the other evidence. Do tell me what an "eromenos" is BTW.

A word literally invented by the guy who claimed to have 5000 depictions of homosexuality in Greek art that was around maybe 40 in reality. One British faggot who was friends with Foucault and who used a highly literal definition to push an agenda.

It’s use inside of academia is fucking controversial.

EDIT: I’m not gonna keep going in circles, but even Caelius Aurelianus and Aristotle saw it as degenerate. Caelius called them deranged faggots and Aristotle said that something was wrong with their desire to dominate.

I view Crete having pedophiles corrupting Gymnasium like I view the British having an open secret about having a pedophilic cabal that Margaret Thatcher was impotent to move against. I don’t think Crete was down with boy rape, but that homosexuality was a vice of the rich degenerates.

KJ Dover being a well connected British Academic in the 70’s who was praised by Foucault. I’m already critical of his work, quoting him isn’t going to win me over.
I view the 50+ year Academic view of homosexuality as revisionism or something like Kinsey’s work, praised and protected by malicious influences.

 

[el bandito loco]

I'm glad I didn't get into these books really because it sounds like as they went on they would have just pissed me off with pandery bullshit. In all honesty besides the fact it seemed derivative to me at the time the only reason I really didn't get into them is around when I read the first book (and I think second but can't remember) my dad bought me god of war and god of war II was about to come out. I figured if I was going to get into fake Greek mythology I'd take the one that was a video game, and had tits in it over some faggot kid chosen one hero just like every other faggot kid chosen one hero in every other book my school library tried to push on me because they didn't have any books outside of that genre that weren't 100 years old.
school libraries are bullshit. there's like no challenging books, everything is written at a retard comprehension level and its all the same shit just plugged in a different genre vaguely. If you are interested in non fiction good luck trying to find anything with any real information. its all those shitty kids picture encyclopedias, mythology books or kid's versions of autobiographies edited to fuck for content while any random 'novel' they give you is filled with sexual propaganda.
my middle school was fucked too because we'd legitimately get in trouble for reading shit that didn't come from their library. My grandma's house was by a public library so I'd go there on weekends and get adult books and shit I actually wanted to read and I remember I wrote a report on something that wasn't from the school so they called my drunk ass dad up there who basically told my teacher she was a retarded bitch and I could have written a book report on an issue of penthouse for all he gave a fuck lol

 

[NerdShamer]

school libraries are bullshit. there's like no challenging books, everything is written at a retard comprehension level and its all the same shit just plugged in a different genre vaguely. If you are interested in non fiction good luck trying to find anything with any real information. its all those shitty kids picture encyclopedias, mythology books or kid's versions of autobiographies edited to fuck for content

Well, it's not just limited to just the libraries, nearly all of my Language Arts lessons were mainly about some really short kids stories, with the occasional screenplay that was mixed in during high school. But they really didn't explain the different genres of fiction or took an deep dive into what qualifies as an great story. But hey, this is what YouTube is for!

while any random 'novel' they give you is filled with sexual propaganda

Mines was Jewish propaganda, unfortunately. Only fun part when the author walked in on one of the guards flirting with an topless woman, I forgot how if he was actually beaten over it but he said it was worth it.

Everything else was just the usual bleeding heart classics: The Scarlet Letter, Of Mice and Men, Flowers for Algeron. The odd one out was "The Monkey's Paw."

 

[Backpack Knight]

Percy Jackson was a strange series to me as I could never get into the characters while the world was fine. Percy was easy to like and his interactions with Grover or Luke were fun. But all the other demigods outside of Percy "friends", because he only sees them during the summer, they did not get enough characterization to interest me.

I don't really see Percy hanging out with anyone except Grover and his boring girlfriend, Annabeth. Maybe it is just a dearth of characterization for the side characters. It just felt like Camp Half-Blood was an empty lot or a video game adventure guild for all the effort Riordan put into it.

Percy spends nine months of his year in public/private schooling and seems like he makes no friends or has any demigod adventures during school. It is just weird how in-universe that demigods less powerful than Percy get attacked every week while Percy can have an almost smooth 2/3 of a year without monster attacks or going to Camp Half-Blood for after school programs so some crap. Camp Half-Blood is just a short drive for him!

I felt sorry for Jason as he spent most the series knocked out or compared to Percy. Thalia was more worried about the missing Percy than a long lost reunion with her brother. Then his girlfriend breaks up with him to become a lesbian and Jason dies in the Apollo books. None of the Seven demigods went to his funeral I think (maybe Annabeth?). Riordan just did not know what to do with him.

 

[The handsome tard]

The series seems to be releasing without much fanfare to be honest. Im not hearing any harsh criticism but hardly any praise, tho that could be just me.

Honestly most of P.J's audience has since grown up and moved on. I dont see the newer fans being as invested as the original veteran fans once did.

If there was a moment to strike "gold" with this series was when the first movie came out. The IP was relatively still new and its fans were still young and invested enough to watch them...if they were good, that is. It really could have been the next Harry Potter type movie series but they really shouldnt have screwed up the first one from the get go (and then bury it with the second one). Not every H.P movie did a good job with adapting the source material but the first three still did a good job enough so people that did and didnt read the books could be invested enough to keep watching and seeing where it goes.

 

[Kit Marz]

The series seems to be releasing without much fanfare to be honest. Im not hearing any harsh criticism but hardly any praise, tho that could be just me.

I watched a little bit when I visited my family over the holidays and it was very mediocre. I have friends who refuse to watch it because of black Annabeth. Even if they didn't black wash the cast I can't see myself interested in the series. I liked the books when they came out, but like you said, I've moved on.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

So, this is very much late/dragging up a dead horse to beat it some more, but... I've been getting rid of a bunch of old books, was curious if any of Riordan's were worth keeping these days? I'm already tossing my copies of the Magnus series - the fucking genderspecial in that one killed it for me - but what about the OG series, HOO, or the Kane Chronicles? Any suggestions on what to keep? Haven't read any of them in years, mostly just collecting dust.

 

[Cryptojew]

So, this is very much late/dragging up a dead horse to beat it some more, but... I've been getting rid of a bunch of old books, was curious if any of Riordan's were worth keeping these days? I'm already tossing my copies of the Magnus series - the fucking genderspecial in that one killed it for me - but what about the OG series, HOO, or the Kane Chronicles? Any suggestions on what to keep? Haven't read any of them in years, mostly just collecting dust.

OG Percy Jackson is a decent kids series. If you plan on having kids you could pass them down. Anything beyond that isn't worth it.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

OG Percy Jackson is a decent kids series. If you plan on having kids you could pass them down. Anything beyond that isn't worth it.

I don't plan on having kids for the foreseeable future; not that I wouldn't mind, just... not interested at this point. So, I might go ahead and drop the books. Need to clear out some room anyways.

Actually, there's another other book series that Riordan's had his hands in that I haven't seen any dialogue here about; The 39 Clues, another kid-centric series. Anyone got any thoughts on that one?