The Outer Worlds becomes Epic exclusive - Because of fucking course it did

[Secret Asshole]

I'd rather have a massive selection than have some faggot decide for me what's good or not.

Borderlands 3 is almost certainly an exclusive because Randy Pitchford is a cocksucker. Outer Worlds was being published by Take 2 (GTA and Red Dead), and the deal was made before Obsidian was bought by Microsoft. So the idea that this helps the devs out or makes better games goes out the window since the money is going right into Take 2 CEO pockets.

 

[419]

He obviously means shovelware like this, not shovelware like David Cage games. Although I admit the distinction is blurry sometimes.

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For what it's worth Epic is much more curated, which is exactly what some faggots want. There are a lot of good games, the most topical of which is Kenshi, that would never make it past any reasonable curation by whichever desk jockey decides such things at Epic. But let's ignore that because 1 dollar shovelware is really hard to skip on your discovery queue the two times a year steam incentives you to use it.

well, depending on what side of Steam you hang out on, chances are you see those "games" way more frequently. too frequently.

this is the one thing i can agree with the Epic side on. people already yell at Steam enough for the fact that their curation has gotten way too lax, the fact that Epic at least knew to stay away from all that sort of thing is likely to entice a lot of the people who have gotten fed up of seeing poo titles like those on their storefront.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

well, depending on what side of Steam you hang out on, chances are you see those "games" way more frequently. too frequently.

this is the one thing i can agree with the Epic side on. people already yell at Steam enough for the fact that their curation has gotten way too lax, the fact that Epic at least knew to stay away from all that sort of thing is likely to entice a lot of the people who have gotten fed up of seeing poo titles like those on their storefront.

Except Steam doesn't curate at all. They rely on their users having brains as a form of quality control instead of just hurling their money at everything that crosses their paths. Are some good titles going to get buried in a mountain of shit? Sure, but that's capitalism. That little $100 smartphone that isn't even advertised might be just the phone for you, but it gets buried under a bunch of similar products.

If anything Valve needs to make it harder to get a game on there. At least greenlight took some effort to get your game through. Now any faggot with $100 can unload their shitware onto it.

 

[SJ 485]

Are some good titles going to get buried in a mountain of shit? Sure, but that's capitalism.

Having a curated store and paying for the privilege of exclusivity is also capitalism, for what it's worth.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Having a curated store and paying for the privilege of exclusivity is also capitalism, for what it's worth.

Fair enough. BUT! Who's to say that they'll do it right?
For example: Undertale. I hated that autistic crap. If you left it to me personally to decide whether or not it was "Garbage" I would have turned it down for the platform. And that game was (for some reason) much beloved and sold like crack in Detroit. Epic may turn down a game that ends up going to Steam and selling millions of copies.
Steam doesn't curate partly because they're unwilling to devote the resources (I mean, how long do you have to play a particular game in order to determine whether or not it's crap?), but also because quality is often subjective. What I think is a shitty game might very well make loads of money and get tons of love from the community.

Steam is kinda like a flea market. You'll have experienced craftsmen selling their wares next to shady bastards selling Chinese cheap knockoffs. Caveat emptor is a phrase too few are familiar with these days.


And the exclusivity is something I just can't agree with. It's not good for the customer and it might not be good for all the developers either. It's causing resentment and a lot of people are gonna decide to either pirate or just not buy the games. And Epic probably can't afford to reimburse the devs for lost sales forever. We're gonna have to see how it goes on that latter part.

 

[BillyGoat2]

Well i was excited for the outer worlds.

Was.

 

[SJ 485]

Epic may turn down a game that ends up going to Steam and selling millions of copies.

And luckily for you you can use both and not miss out.

quality is often subjective

I'm not going to say it's not but there's an obvious difference between a game like Undertale, which is on its face not very impressive mechanically or graphically, and total garbage like this:

Bikini Surfer Girl - Wild Wahine on Steam

A cool arcade surfing game with lots of options and loads of fun!

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Steam Store

Steam is the ultimate destination for playing, discussing, and creating games.

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I just went and found all of these in like 1 minute, that last one, what the fuck even is this??

This free DLC include a collection of 6 wallpapers with handsome man for the game Boobs 'em up for your desktop.

In this DLC, you will find:
6 wallpapers in .PNG format, with the resolution 1920x1080

The content of this DLC will be placed in your Boobs 'em up folder in the Steam Directory: …\Steam\SteamApps\common\Boobs em up\

This is the kind of shit people are talking about when they say they want curation. While browsing I also saw a huge list of individual level DLCs priced at a dollar each for some cat puzzle game that took up almost a whole page to themselves, this is just under "new releases." Nobody wants for Valve to be taste-makers, just for them to filter out the pure fucking GARBAGE that makes it onto their platform in massive quantities. I think I can honestly say nobody but the guy who created Boobs 'em up benefits from it being on Steam. Absolutely nobody.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

If I thought Steam, or any organization really could actually come up with a reasonable set of rules and actually follow them I'd be down for them curating and removing games that are completely without merit. As it is, Steam taking down obviously non-underage anime-titty games under the aegis of keeping underage anime-titties off the platform really shows the problems with curation. If I have to choose between Valve banning good games because they don't fit neatly into any established genres and the corporate drone doing the curation is blind or stupid or had a bad day and clicking past shovelware in my discovery queue, I'd much rather have the latter. The shovelware problem is ultimately a very minor one, and I don't want to outsource my discretion to either Epic or Steam to get rid of it.

 

[Tanner Glass]

He obviously means shovelware like this, not shovelware like David Cage games. Although I admit the distinction is blurry sometimes.

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For what it's worth Epic is much more curated, which is exactly what some faggots want. There are a lot of good games, the most topical of which is Kenshi, that would never make it past any reasonable curation by whichever desk jockey decides such things at Epic. But let's ignore that because 1 dollar shovelware is really hard to skip on your discovery queue the two times a year steam incentives you to use it.

I'm upset you'd be so callous to compare Hentai Minesweeper to any of David Cage's games, because Hentai Minesweeper is a masterpiece compared to those.

 

[AP 297]

I personally won't use the epic launcher until I am sure their systems are more secure. I know identity theft is common, but their platform has a bad reputation with that and the whole spying thing. I don't mind using Uplay or Microsoft Store to buy a game.

That being said, Steam needed a kick in the balls with this and yeah a lot of the trash games on steam need to be tossed. The whole site could benefit from tighter control on curation. Not every game needs to be green lit. If I was a mid to large size developer, I wouldn't want to be on this platform. Also most of the people complaining are pissed they had their precious toy "the review bomb" taken away from them. The review bomb has been abused a lot. Steam should have clamped down on a lot of it and didn't because for the longest time they didn't have to.

Valve was supposed to be a publisher and game developer, but they got lazy because they could be an online storefront middleman and take 30% instead of producing much of their own. If Steam had not been so successful, we would have had Half Life 6 and Portal 5 by now.

So at this point, let steam sink. If Valve doesn't care about their platform, why should we?

 

[419]

If I thought Steam, or any organization really could actually come up with a reasonable set of rules and actually follow them I'd be down for them curating and removing games that are completely without merit. As it is, Steam taking down obviously non-underage anime-titty games under the aegis of keeping underage anime-titties off the platform really shows the problems with curation. If I have to choose between Valve banning good games because they don't fit neatly into any established genres and the corporate drone doing the curation is blind or stupid or had a bad day and clicking past shovelware in my discovery queue, I'd much rather have the latter. The shovelware problem is ultimately a very minor one, and I don't want to outsource my discretion to either Epic or Steam to get rid of it.

i would absolutely not call the shovelware a "minor problem", since it's exactly that shovelware that has influenced the majority of separate subcommunities and hobbies/collections on steam.

want to hunt for achievements? why bother playing genuinely challenging games when that takes SKILL and EFFORT? just buy a bunch of spam titles, they'll net you like 5000 achievements each without having to push a button!

want a high Steam profile level? of course you do, that's why you'll use all those card bots to level up and get yourself like 50 sets of cheap ass cards from games that look just as cheap! sites like IndieGala still even say whether or not the games they bundle have trading cards, because back in the later greenlight days that was pretty much the only reason people bought Unity asset flips.

wanna collect game inventories? games like TF2, Portal or even BattleBlock Theater are way too pricey, but since you're broke as fuck you can always get random meme jpegs to put on your profile showcase from some garbage "game"! that one Abstractism game even had those fake TF2 australium weapons as "items", so don't worry about not having something to flex (and maybe scam people with)!

don't get me wrong, Epic can suck my testicles. i'm not using their ded store any time soon. but as much as i love using Steam for its convenience and the fact that it has other very good incentives for me to use it, i really would wish they'd at least go back to Greenlight and limit the amount of garbage titty puzzle games being shat out onto the store.

 

[Raging Capybara]

Lol, who cares about achievements and profile levels? Calm down, dude.

I literally don't now what is the purpose of cards on Steam, and I use this client for more than 10 years. It's bullshit that caters for 0.0001% of the user base, let them buy titty hentai games whenever they want.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Lol, who cares about achievements and profile levels? Calm down, dude.

I literally don't now what is the purpose of cards on Steam, and I use this client for more than 10 years. It's bullshit that caters for 0.0001% of the user base, let them buy titty hentai games whenever they want.

Yeah... honestly why do you care? You don't like people being able to have more achievements than you?

I guess if you simply must buy anything put before you, then steam would be a bad platform for you. If you cannot stand the idea of random other people having a higher meaningless number than you, then a platform that doesn't track that meaningless number might be more appealing.

Many of us don't have those problems, and thus Steam doesn't present a big problem.

 

[MrHoneyBadger]

The Outer Worlds? That game that made fun of big soulless customer-unfriendly companies in it's initial trailer?
Lovely.

 

[Slap47]

Why do you guys want people to control what entertainment you have to choose from? Don't you have the capacity to discern what you'll like and dislike? You have Youtube, Demos and even pirated copies to help you make that choice. Steam gives you curators to follow and tags you can turn off to avoid genres and companies you dislike.

i would absolutely not call the shovelware a "minor problem", since it's exactly that shovelware that has influenced the majority of separate subcommunities and hobbies/collections on steam.

Lol, why do you care? This is kiwifarms, make a thread and laugh at them.

want to hunt for achievements? why bother playing genuinely challenging games when that takes SKILL and EFFORT? just buy a bunch of spam titles, they'll net you like 5000 achievements each without having to push a button!

Lol, why do you care? This is kiwifarms, make a thread and laugh at them.

want a high Steam profile level? of course you do, that's why you'll use all those card bots to level up and get yourself like 50 sets of cheap ass cards from games that look just as cheap! sites like IndieGala still even say whether or not the games they bundle have trading cards, because back in the later greenlight days that was pretty much the only reason people bought Unity asset flips.

Lol, why do you care?

wanna collect game inventories? games like TF2, Portal or even BattleBlock Theater are way too pricey, but since you're broke as fuck you can always get random meme jpegs to put on your profile showcase from some garbage "game"! that one Abstractism game even had those fake TF2 australium weapons as "items", so don't worry about not having something to flex (and maybe scam people with)!

Lol, why do you care?

don't get me wrong, Epic can suck my testicles. i'm not using their ded store any time soon. but as much as i love using Steam for its convenience and the fact that it has other very good incentives for me to use it, i really would wish they'd at least go back to Greenlight and limit the amount of garbage titty puzzle games being shat out onto the store.

Lol, why do you care?

 

[vertexwindi]

Can you imagine if people liked things I don't like? Jesus Christ the horror.

 

[AP 297]

Why do you guys want people to control what entertainment you have to choose from? Don't you have the capacity to discern what you'll like and dislike? You have Youtube, Demos and even pirated copies to help you make that choice. Steam gives you curators to follow and tags you can turn off to avoid genres and companies you dislike.



Lol, why do you care? This is kiwifarms, make a thread and laugh at them.



Lol, why do you care? This is kiwifarms, make a thread and laugh at them.



Lol, why do you care?



Lol, why do you care?



Lol, why do you care?

I said it before, if steam doesn't care about the quality of content and condition of their platform; why should I? I think it is obvious with some of the shovelware on the platform, Steam is not interested in quality control.

Honestly, I barely use Steam because of two problems I have with it. First, I can't get consistently accurate ratings on games because of review bomb issues deflating games rating and games media inflating game ratings. Also having to pour through countless trash ratings that don't describe the actual problem of the game is more than irksome. My second problem is that while I have found some really worthwhile indie titles on steam, those games are increasingly becoming diamonds buried under piles of garbage. I loved Bastion. Endless Space and Endless legend are priceless games to me. Starbound is amazing. Sadly those beautiful jewels are every day being buried below mountains of cheap worthless titles(they aren't really games or anything of substance except for a name).

I can't remember buying a game from steam in a while. I can't be the only person thinking this.

So when people like me encounter the same reddit anger mob who exalts steam as a champion of Free Speech and Consumer Rights; I roll my eyes. I am sure that I am not the only person who does this anymore.

So why should I care about the complaints of others who defend Steam when it is nothing but a craven, lazy, cash hoarding relic of a bygone era?

 

[Professional iPad Hoarder]

Successfully added to my piracy list.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

First, I can't get consistently accurate ratings on games because of review bomb issues deflating games rating and games media inflating game ratings. Also having to pour through countless trash ratings that don't describe the actual problem of the game is more than irksome.

Nigga, if you trust Steam reviews you've got bigger problems than you think. That's like expecting YT comments to flesh out the points in a video. What do you expect Steam to do about the fact that people are retarded?

My second problem is that while I have found some really worthwhile indie titles on steam, those games are increasingly becoming diamonds buried under piles of garbage. I loved Bastion. Endless Space and Endless legend are priceless games to me. Starbound is amazing. Sadly those beautiful jewels are every day being buried below mountains of cheap worthless titles(they aren't really games or anything of substance except for a name).

I don't disagree, but how is that any different than the indie selection on PS Store or Xbox Live (whatever the store's called, I don't Xbox)? 98% of the indie stuff on there is either absolute trash or ports of games from PC. In some cases, there's finished PS4 versions of Early Access titles on Steam that were never finished. That sounds like greedy and untrustworthy developers to me, not Steam or Sony's fault.

Besides, and let's be honest here, if Steam started curating more intensely you'd all be in the thread about it screaming about how Steam is "CUCKING OUT!!!!1!1!!" If you think I'm wrong, go check the thread about Steam changing the review system again.

 

[AP 297]

Nigga, if you trust Steam reviews you've got bigger problems than you think. That's like expecting YT comments to flesh out the points in a video. What do you expect Steam to do about the fact that people are exceptional?



I don't disagree, but how is that any different than the indie selection on PS Store or Xbox Live (whatever the store's called, I don't Xbox)? 98% of the indie stuff on there is either absolute trash or ports of games from PC. In some cases, there's finished PS4 versions of Early Access titles on Steam that were never finished. That sounds like greedy and untrustworthy developers to me, not Steam or Sony's fault.

Besides, and let's be honest here, if Steam started curating more intensely you'd all be in the thread about it screaming about how Steam is "CUCKING OUT!!!!1!1!!" If you think I'm wrong, go check the thread about Steam changing the review system again.

I remember the days when steam did curate things and when the comments were somewhat more reliable. That was when I bought Endless Space. It was 2012. So yes, if I could go back to that, I really fucking would!

No complaints about it either. Yeah, if I could actually get properly managed and operated Steam of 2011 to 2014; I would take it in a fucking heartbeat!