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Mrs Paul said:
More reeing about JK Rowling and QUEER-BAITING!!!!!

Good lord, what do you people WANT? A full-on sex scene or something? For fuck's sake. You know, everyone whines about the books, "they didn't show his sexuality in the books!!! Dumbledore never had a relationship!!!" Hello, neither did any of the other teachers, unless you count Lupin. The books were basically from Harry's point of view, and if he's like most teenagers, he probably didn't give a shit about his teachers' personal lives. Did you?
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Who reads this shit and how is TMS still around? Does no one have the courage to put it out of its misery and fire the staff?
 
Mrs Paul said:
The books were basically from Harry's point of view, and if he's like most teenagers, he probably didn't give a shit about his teachers' personal lives. Did you?
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Definitely not, and especially not if any of them were fucking. I'd have preferred an entire year in detention than any vile thoughts like that.
 
Some "queer" writer at The Mary Sue goes after AfterEllen for daring to suggest that some women don't do dick
For many of us queer women who have turned to sites like AfterEllen as a safe place, it has been a disturbing situation to see the site go deeper and deeper into transphobic language. A tweet from earlier this month with a video entitled “Dear Trans Women, Stop Pushing ‘Girl Dick’ On Lesbians” has been for many the final nail in the coffin in their support for the site.

Thankfully, there are other lesbian/queer female spaces that are standing up in solidarity for trans women. The editors and publishers of DIVA, Curve, Autostraddle, Dapper Q, LOTL, Tagg, and Lez Spread The Word have come together to craft a message rejecting transphobia and standing in solidarity with trans women.

“Following further vitriolic attacks on trans people in our media, the world’s leading publications for lesbians are coming together to send an unapologetic message of support and solidarity to the trans community.

DIVA, Curve, Autostraddle, LOTL, Tagg and Lez Spread The Word believe that trans women are women and that trans people belong in our community. We do not think supporting trans women erases our lesbian identities; rather we are enriched by trans friends and lovers, parents, children, colleagues and siblings.

We strongly condemn writers and editors who seek to foster division and hate within the LGBTQI community with trans misogynistic content, and who believe “lesbian” is an identity for them alone to define. We condemn male-owned media companies who profit from the traffic generated by these controversies.

We also strongly condemn the current narrative peddled by some feminists, painting trans people as bullies and aggressors – one which reinforces transphobia and which must be challenged so that feminism can move forward.

We are really concerned about the message these so-called lesbian publications are sending to trans women and to young lesbians – including trans lesbians – and we want to make in clear this is not in our name.

As the leading publications for queer women, we believe it is our responsibility to call out scaremongering conspiracy theories levelled at the trans community, and make it clear that DIVA, Curve, Autostraddle, LOTL, Tagg and Lez Spread The Word will always be safe spaces for the trans community.

Forty years ago, to be a lesbian was to be questioned and persecuted. Today things are better for cis lesbians but there are still places where to be a lesbian is difficult or impossible.

So it is for trans men and women, as well as non-binary people, many of whom identify as lesbian, bisexual, gay or queer. We know something of these struggles. And just as they and other allies have supported us, so we must support those among us who are trans, or risk ending up on the wrong side of history.

The sooner we stop focussing on what divides us and instead focus on our commonalities, the stronger we will be to confront the other injustices imposed on us.

We won’t be divided.

Signed…

Carrie Lyell
Editor, DIVA magazine

Linda Riley
Publisher, DIVA magazine

Riese Bernard
CEO and Editor-in-chief, Autostraddle

Merryn Johns,
Editor, Curve

Silke Bader
Publisher, Curve and LOTL

Eboné F. Bell
Editor-in-chief, Tagg Magazine

Florence Gagnon
Founder and publisher, Lez Spread The Word

Anita Dolce Vita
Owner & Editor-in-Chief, DapperQ”

I am so happy, proud, and relieved that these places are using their voice in this way.

The letter doesn’t call After Ellen out by name, but Diva editor Carrie Lyell confirmed in an email to The Advocate that the site’s staff are among those the letter addresses, saying: “While not exclusively directed at AfterEllen, their writers and editors are certainly among those we are referring to.”

As always I can only speak for myself, but I have never viewed womanhood as one thing. My intersecting identity as a black woman naturally has shaped my ideas of what it means to be a woman. I have found womanhood is defined by the struggles we have faced from society, from the patriarchy and the injustices facing women across the world. Just like I find commonality with other black people in the experiences of anti-blackness across the world, I find solidarity with other women in discussing the issues.

Not all women have uteruses, breasts, periods, etc. even among what we would consider cis-women. There is no ultimate universality other than the boot of male supremacy on our back and there is no way to deny that trans women (and trans people in general) suffer from that as well. More so I don’t see anyone’s womanhood as a threat to my own unless it is working to undermine my own, and that’s something I’ve had to deal with more from cis-women than trans women.

With “queer” becoming the umbrella term in media for all LGBTQ people, I understand why some people want to push back and reclaim individual spaces for themselves. It doesn’t define all of us, some don’t like the term and it shouldn’t be pushed as the “right” term when other people are happy calling themselves gay, lesbian, etc.

When someone says that you are less “inclusive” for calling yourself a lesbian rather than queer, that is not only incorrect but also speaks to the lack of education that is going on. We should also be wary of those who appropriate the language of LGBTQ realities to invade spaces or use it to manipulate, and remember not everyone with certain labels online are always who they say they are.

These are conversations that we should be having amongst each other in LGBTQ spaces, but I truly think there are ways to do it without harming each other. We can create a more inclusive language while holding true to our identities and not erase different groups from our collective history.
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The comments section is even more of a dumpster fire with people claiming that trans women trying to force lesbians into sleeping with them is a transphobic myth despite the fact that at the same time, in the very same comments section, there are people accusing lesbians of being ridiculous for "reducing trans people to their genitalia" and "what about predatory lesbians, they exist too". Absolute madness.

On a more positive note, somebody linked to the Jonathan Yaniv thread in the comments section:
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'Not all women have uteruses, breasts, periods, etc. even among what we would consider cis-women. There is no ultimate universality other than the boot of male supremacy on our back and there is no way to deny that trans women (and trans people in general) suffer from that as well'
Now i'm really getting confused.I thought cis referred to standard issue straight people with no difference from the historical norm.But now i find out that not all cis-women have breasts or periods?So what does cis mean anyway?
Also nice to know that the 'boot of male supremacy' is a universal situation for all 'women'.I think this writer watched Inglorious basterds one too many times and assumes she is in the role of Shoshanna forgetting the movie is part comedy.
On a side note if a lesbian doesn't want to fuck a trans woman with a dick what's the issue?Wasn't this entire struggle started to let people fuck whoever they want in the first place?Or are some SJW's redefining opression as meaning if you don't fuck everyone you're a racist?I'm starting to think the 'movement' doesn't really know what it wants and changes its opinion depending on whatever mood the persons are in and whatever pills they've been taking.
 
ATaxingWoman said:
Some "queer" writer at The Mary Sue goes after AfterEllen for daring to suggest that some women don't do dickThe comments section is even more of a dumpster fire with people claiming that trans women trying to force lesbians into sleeping with them is a transphobic myth despite the fact that at the same time, in the very same comments section, there are people accusing lesbians of being ridiculous for "reducing trans people to their genitalia" and "what about predatory lesbians, they exist too". Absolute madness.

On a more positive note, somebody linked to the Jonathan Yaniv thread in the comments section:View attachment 622722
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t. straight guy wanting to fuck Ellen for some reason
 
iafiv said:
Now i'm really getting confused.I thought cis referred to standard issue straight people with no difference from the historical norm.But now i find out that not all cis-women have breasts or periods? So what does cis mean anyway?
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Cis when talking in gender identity warrior or current LGBTQ+ just means not trans. Cisgendered is somebody who’s gender identity matches to their biological gender. It’s about gender only, not sexuality. People can be cishet, cisgay, cisles, cisbi etc. Term was picked from chemistry cis- and transbonds (inspired probably by hetero- and homogenius liquids).

Cis was meant to make easier to talk about trans issues by avoiding awkwardness around making clear what type of woman or man are talked about (I’m only talking about real women, you know what I mean like not trans, orginal biological women). I honestly believe that people who first game up with term as well as those that originally promoted it, genuinely meant to improve conversations. Important issues around transpeople could be talked about clearly and not get side tracked by semantics and hurt feelings. That didn’t end up happening.

Unfortunately SJWs really latched on the term and eather don’t know or don’t care how vider society picks up new words. Current extremely fast changing social media activists vocabulary is used to measure if somebody is or is not hateful bigot. What is being said means way less than what words it’s being said. So first time many people hear “cis” it’s used when they get aggressively accused being a transphobe. These has lead cis having generally negative press and many people thinking it being some sort of slang insult. Then when cis is being used in neutral manner the general public reacts in confusion and/or negatively, witch the activists take as sign of transphobia instead of poor communication from their part.
 
iafiv said:
So if a cis-woman identifies with the biological sex she had at birth how can you be a cis-woman and not have a uterus?You can be a cis-woman with a dick?What was the writer of the article talking about?
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Many women have hysterectomies to treat medical conditions. The other things mentioned (not having breasts or periods) also generally come down to health conditions, like breast cancer or PCOS. None of this is at all relevant to the primary issue in the article, though. I don't think the writers of the Mary Sue have enough brain cells between them to directly take down the "genital preferences are transphobic" controversy without causing a shitstorm in their already low readership, so they're just coming out with this mealy-mouthed pro-trans statement.
 
Alberto Balsalm said:
Many women have hysterectomies to treat medical conditions. The other things mentioned (not having breasts or periods) also generally come down to health conditions, like breast cancer or PCOS. None of this is at all relevant to the primary issue in the article, though. I don't think the writers of the Mary Sue have enough brain cells between them to directly take down the "genital preferences are transphobic" controversy without causing a shitstorm in their already low readership, so they're just coming out with this mealy-mouthed pro-trans statement.
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The thing about troons bringing up these conditions is that they’re pretty much always doing so in bad faith. Medical conditions & procedures that cause women to be infertile, not menstruate, and require mastectomies are nowhere near being in the same ballpark as “having a dick” - and they damn well know it - but they’re basically trying to trick people into saying something that can be construed as “breasts, periods, and a womb don’t make you female” (usually with the subtext that it’s genetics) so they cut in and scream “HA so you admit that trans women ARE real women and that lesbians have no legitimate objections!”

It’s like if someone constantly argued over the semantics of a statement like “humans have two legs” by going “Oh, so you don’t consider people born without legs to be human then?”
 
One Man Bland said:
The thing about troons bringing up these conditions is that they’re pretty much always doing so in bad faith. Medical conditions & procedures that cause women to be infertile, not menstruate, and require mastectomies are nowhere near being in the same ballpark as “having a dick” - and they damn well know it - but they’re basically trying to trick people into saying something that can be construed as “breasts, periods, and a womb don’t make you female” (usually with the subtext that it’s genetics) so they cut in and scream “HA so you admit that trans women ARE real women and that lesbians have no legitimate objections!”

It’s like if someone constantly argued over the semantics of a statement like “humans have two legs” by going “Oh, so you don’t consider people born without legs to be human then?”
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Or arguing that sickle cells exist, then obviously blood cells don’t have to be round.
 
One Man Bland said:
The thing about troons bringing up these conditions is that they’re pretty much always doing so in bad faith. Medical conditions & procedures that cause women to be infertile, not menstruate, and require mastectomies are nowhere near being in the same ballpark as “having a dick” - and they damn well know it - but they’re basically trying to trick people into saying something that can be construed as “breasts, periods, and a womb don’t make you female” (usually with the subtext that it’s genetics) so they cut in and scream “HA so you admit that trans women ARE real women and that lesbians have no legitimate objections!”

It’s like if someone constantly argued over the semantics of a statement like “humans have two legs” by going “Oh, so you don’t consider people born without legs to be human then?”
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On that note, one of the interesting ways to troll these bad faith morons is to hit them with the immutable fact that DNA does not lie, or that only men have a prostate gland, or any other fact concerning differences between men and women they can't really deny.

Doesn't mean they won't try, but it's where I notice their arguments either falter because they can't explain it away, or they reveal they've gone full "screw the facts" and try to insist being a woman means that doesn't matter.
 
GethN7 said:
Only the pseuds like Zinnia will ever try this, and even then all you have to do is point out science has defined anything outside the usual genetic markers for male and female to be the exception rather than the rule.
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Plus it doesn't change that all these are simply different combinations of 2 sex chromosomes and that most of these combinations come with slews of lifelong health problems.
 
GethN7 said:
Only the pseuds like Zinnia will ever try this, and even then all you have to do is point out science has defined anything outside the usual genetic markers for male and female to be the exception rather than the rule.
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Exactly. If you point out that no amount of surgery is going to change someone's chromosomes from XY to XX, troons think blurting out shit like "but there are men who are XXYY!", like bringing up the fact that 0.01% of men have that ultra rare condition is somehow the most SMRT rebuttal EVAR.
 
You'd think this would be the most obvious thing in the world, but it isn't, and it demonstrates aptly the bizarre lumping in of the T with the LGB.

Sexual orientation absolutely has to do with genitals, as does sexual desire. See the classic novels Lady Chatterley's Lover and The Sun Also Rises for prime historical examples of desire vs ability.

One of the major tenets of lesbianism, when one gets down to it, is that they don't like cock. Pretending otherwise is just bad faith arguing, or attempting to redefine the word to suit your agenda. That agenda being, seemingly, to guilt lesbians into letting you fuck them.
 
2 litre soda said:
That agenda being, seemingly, to guilt lesbians into letting you fuck them.
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This. Troons are essentially doing the same thing as rapey dudes, but using their "transness" as a shield from criticism. It's not ok when a man tells women that they have to accept his cock, or that it's totally hot if he whips it out in the ladies room, but somehow it's ok when a troon tries to do the exact same thing?
 
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