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Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
No, Mary Sue, just because someone doesn't want to do the necessary effort to get into the country legally doesn't mean we have to see them as saintly little victims and look the other way. I mean how fair is it to legal ones that had to put in the effort to be citizens? I'm sorry you're hurting and the domestic abuse should be looked into, but I'm sorry, you have to follow the law. Sorry I'm ranting, I just had to get some things out.
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This right here is why BP is hiring like three thousand new agents.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Also, they have a constant obsession with "A Handmaid's Tale" and their fear that Trump's America will be just like it. When really, the Middle East would be more likely to pull it off.
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The Trump administration can't even pull off a new health care bill. What makes them think he's going to turn America into A Handmaid's Tale?

(By the by... that book was really fucking awful. It wasn't particularly realistic and has become less so as time goes on.)
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
The Trump administration can't even pull off a new health care bill. What makes them think he's going to turn America into A Handmaid's Tale?

(By the by... that book was really fucking awful. It wasn't particularly realistic and has become less so as time goes on.)
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I never read that book, and it doesn't sound like I'm missing much. What happened in it exactly? I know it's about women losing their rights, but I'm guessing it wasn't to some kind of Islamic takeover given how much some members of the Islam Defence Force seem to like it.
 
Pointless Pedant said:
I never read that book, and it doesn't sound like I'm missing much. What happened in it exactly? I know it's about women losing their rights, but I'm guessing it wasn't to some kind of Islamic takeover given how much some members of the Islam Defence Force seem to like it.
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It's actually about a fundamentalist Christian takeover; but the fundamentalist Christianity described in this book is extreme fundy Christianity, stuff that most fundies think is nuts.

I assume they like it because it describes the kind of world they want.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
It's actually about a fundamentalist Christian takeover; but the fundamentalist Christianity described in this book is extreme fundy Christianity, stuff that most fundies think is nuts.
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Christian fundamentalism is still fierce in parts of Africa, but I'm guessing having the oppressors be "POC" wouldn't be PC.
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
Christian fundamentalism is still fierce in parts of Africa, but I'm guessing having the oppressors be "POC" wouldn't be PC.
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To be fair, it was written during the Reagan years, when fundamentalist Christianity still had some influence on the American public - witness the whole Satanic panic thing, for example.

Things have changed so much between then and now, though, that the book doesn't have the feel that it could happen anymore - not the feel of a Brave New World or Fahrenheit 451.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
To be fair, it was written during the Reagan years, when fundamentalist Christianity still had some influence on the American public - witness the whole Satanic panic thing, for example.
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It definitely makes a bit more sense in that context. Modern feminists seem mostly to be referring to it in the context of access to abortion, which should mean that they'd consider parts of Mexico to be fundamentalist since legal abortions are unavailable except in case of rape or fetal defects, but they can never keep a standard.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Also, they have a constant obsession with "A Handmaid's Tale" and their fear that Trump's America will be just like it. When really, the Middle East would be more likely to pull it off.
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There are swaths of the Middle East and Africa pulling it off literally. There are two stories on TMS tagged "ISIS", one of which is about a Japanese prime minister and the other which makes a point to spell out that most Muslims are not part of ISIS.
On which note, a perusal for articles tagged "Islam" shows TMS making similar allowances, consistently stopping short of any criticism of the religion itself or its adherents. This courtesy is not extended to Christianity, as expected.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
To be fair, it was written during the Reagan years, when fundamentalist Christianity still had some influence on the American public - witness the whole Satanic panic thing, for example.

Things have changed so much between then and now, though, that the book doesn't have the feel that it could happen anymore - not the feel of a Brave New World or Fahrenheit 451.
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Remember 15 years ago, when Fahrenheit 451 felt like it was no longer the biting fable it had been, because only crazy people would believe anyone would try to burn unapproved books for containing subjects that offended marginalised groups?
 
Ineedahero said:
Remember 15 years ago, when Fahrenheit 451 felt like it was no longer the biting fable it had been, because only crazy people would believe anyone would try to burn unapproved books for containing subjects that offended marginalised groups?
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15 years ago, as today, insulting Islam was illegal in several nations.

Of course, Muslims aren't marginalised in those nations, comprising the majority of most of them, but The Mary Sue wouldn't see it that way.
 
Ineedahero said:
Remember 15 years ago, when Fahrenheit 451 felt like it was no longer the biting fable it had been, because only crazy people would believe anyone would try to burn unapproved books for containing subjects that offended marginalised groups?
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Also, only those evil right wing Christians, literal Nazis, would do something so despicable, right? And they were on their way out, to be replaced by the enlightened.
 
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