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Lazuli said:
I don't think it would be much higher to work/taxi cab/random propositions on the street type of stuff pretty girls get though.
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The difference though is walking to work isn't a hobby those women want to get into.

If you don't have a close circle of friends who are interested in gaming then usually your next option is finding a club. Which can be an ordeal. I remember my group had one girl (who honestly was way prettier than anyone who normally plays these games) just drop out without a word. Later she told me it was because the GM was being a complete creep. I got the sense that was the case but I guess it was worse than I thought.

My point I guess is the hobby is still kind of unfriendly to women unless they only play with people they know well.
 
Replicant Sasquatch said:
The difference though is walking to work isn't a hobby those women want to get into.

If you don't have a close circle of friends who are interested in gaming then usually your next option is finding a club. Which can be an ordeal. I remember my group had one girl (who honestly was way prettier than anyone who normally plays these games) just drop out without a word. Later she told me it was because the GM was being a complete creep. I got the sense that was the case but I guess it was worse than I thought.

My point I guess is the hobby is still kind of unfriendly to women unless they only play with people they know well.
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We had a girl in our anime club that was a regular, She would come in some of the most ridiculous outfits, hotpants and midriff shirts or cosplay as Julia from Cowboy Bebop, but if the cute guys she wanted to see weren't there or the local club creeper showed up, she'd leave.
 
Oracle said:
Anyway I think constantly saying they're unfriendly and hate women keeps more women out of comics/vidja than the actual employees do. I've had a lot of lady friends who said they were scared to go to comic shops who had perfectly bland experiences once they just fucking went. The SJW rhetoric is more harmful than the occasional douchebag behind the counter.
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Also it's ableist as fuck because anyone working in a comics shop is autistic.
 
Replicant Sasquatch said:
My point I guess is the hobby is still kind of unfriendly to women unless they only play with people they know well.
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Yeah it definitely can be, but I still think fear-mongering that every nerd boy is either going to hate you or harass you is overkill.

Maybe it's just because I'm average-to-unattractive but most guys are either welcoming or indifferent. There's also tons of meetup groups for women or beginners that are specifically welcoming to women, though maybe less in smaller towns. But then I'd encourage women to start their own!! I think the rhetoric of "MEN DONT WANT YOU THERE" comes just as heavily, or more heavily, from feminists than from nerdy dudes, and it stops women before they even get to the point of joining groups to then quit, lol.
 
ShiningPokeStar said:
And let's justify Belle's "speshul snowflaek" status in the upcoming movie!
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But that's the point of Belle, she's very unsatisfied with life in the village since she can't connect with anyone there, male or female. The townspeople glorify Gaston, who looks down on women like Belle, so why should she make friends with people like them?

It's like they miss the entire point of the film. I don't see how her having a "yay BFF sleepover" would make her "so much better".

Also, a diss on Fantasia? Ya know they actually deleted the racist character, right?
 
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friedshrimp said:
But that's the point of Belle, she's very unsatisfied with life in the village since she can't connect with anyone there, male or female. The townspeople glorify Gaston, who looks down on women like Belle, so why should she make friends with people like them?

It's like they miss the entire point of the film. I don't see how her having a "yay BFF sleepover" would make her "so much better".

Also, a diss on Fantasia? Ya know they actually deleted the racist character, right?
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They missed the entire point of the original since they love to claim it's glorifying Stockholm Syndrome. They ignore (or failed to realize) the Beast isn't an abusive bastard, he's just spoiled and used to people doing whatever he wants them to. Belle only starts to spend time with him after the Beast realizes that ordering people doesn't work for non-servants and yelling only makes everyone afraid of him. But of course since it's a cishet white relationship that automatically makes it problematic, abusive, and promoting heteronormativity.
 
Not that I regularly go to comic book or video game stores, but the times that I went to one, no harassment towards me. Hell, I put that I was into some nerdy shit on some of my dating profiles, I didn't receive any assholes giving me a hard time because of my interests and gender. However, my friend has claimed to been harassed a lot because of her nerdy interests. I know it's kinda bitchy of me to say but I think it's because she's really upfront about it and that turns some guys off. Of course, there are also gonna be condescending assholes no matter what but I don't think there as prevalent as some women think they are.

ShiningPokeStar said:
And let's justify Belle's "speshul snowflaek" status in the upcoming movie!
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When I was a preteen, I was obsessed with Disney and I used to lurk on these Disney forums. One forum in particular didn't seem to like Belle because she was "snobby." I found this to be ridiculous. If you watch the opening song, Belle is perfectly nice to the people of her village. It's the other villagers that are dicks to her. Judging from that particular number, it seems to me that Belle goes out of her way to be nice to people and doesn't judge them but instead they are the ones who judge her because she's "weird."

They also didn't like Princess Jasmine because she was "bratty" (Yeah how dare she be upset about the fact that she's pretty much being forced into a marriage with little to no say in the matter). Oddly enough, they all seemed to love Ariel. Y'know, the dumbass princess who gives up seeing her family ever again just so she has a chance with a guy who she's never spoken to. And never gets called out on her bullshit throughout the entire movie.
 
I actually did get condescended at a shop one time! It was a game shop, my boyfriend and I were chatting with the clerk about deck-building games and I mentioned I didn't like Ascension. He responded with "yeah, well it might be a little too.. intense for you." and some other condescending thing (idr exactly what) and then went back to talking to my boyfriend. I felt like if my boyfriend hadn't cut him off, he would have suggested I try Uno.
It was really uncalled for. Even my boyfriend was like, wooow.
Apparently the guy in question had a reputation for being an asshole. Also this is after years and years of going to various shops like this everywhere and never having a problem like that.
 
TheMightyMonarch said:
Oddly enough, they all seemed to love Ariel. Y'know, the dumbass princess who gives up seeing her family ever again just so she has a chance with a guy who she's never spoken to. And never gets called out on her bullshit throughout the entire movie.
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Disney spergs (actual fans, and not the SJWs or feminists that only like the single and POC princesses) are obsessed with Ariel, they'll criticize and pinpoint everything that's wrong with every other princess, but Ariel is like, super amazing, super strong and feminist, and deserves to get a statue in her honor. Like our lolcow Kataralover here in the farms is another of those Arielholics (while shitting on genuine good female characters). I wonder if they like her because they're just as spoiled and sheltered as she is...
 
melty said:
I actually did get condescended at a shop one time! It was a game shop, my boyfriend and I were chatting with the clerk about deck-building games and I mentioned I didn't like Ascension. He responded with "yeah, well it might be a little too.. intense for you." and some other condescending thing (idr exactly what) and then went back to talking to my boyfriend. I felt like if my boyfriend hadn't cut him off, he would have suggested I try Uno.
It was really uncalled for. Even my boyfriend was like, wooow.
Apparently the guy in question had a reputation for being an asshole. Also this is after years and years of going to various shops like this everywhere and never having a problem like that.
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I think part of being hired on at a game shop is being a complete jerkoff. For some reason, I used to go to a game store to buy vidya games and the employees were almost always the "too cool for the room" types. This mfer made a face b/c of something I was buying one time, and the constant barrage of "do you wanna preorder this or that??" for stuff that isn't coming out for another year. I know that's part of their job to try and sell you that stuff, but nope, don't need that in my life. It's online shopping all the way from now on.

The types that hang around hobby shops are even worse in my experience. It's like, a group of the same nerds hang out there and if you want to buy something from them they act like it's an inconvenience because they were too busy fucking off w/ their friends.
 
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MysticMisty said:
They missed the entire point of the original since they love to claim it's glorifying Stockholm Syndrome. They ignore (or failed to realize) the Beast isn't an abusive bastard, he's just spoiled and used to people doing whatever he wants them to. Belle only starts to spend time with him after the Beast realizes that ordering people doesn't work for non-servants and yelling only makes everyone afraid of him.
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Well not really. In the Disney movie, she tries to escape, the first chance she gets, and then is attacked by wolves on the road. The beast protects her and she is just about to leave him for dead when she has a crisis of conscience. Then she takes him back home to fix him up. It's then that she starts to think he's not so bad. The staff at the castle constantly remind him to control his temper, meaning its been a regular problem in the past, and his entire bedroom is destroyed when she visits it. It's a Disney movie so they can't have the beast bashing some young girl. But by his actions he at least regularly terrorizes his own staff. Although living in a castle with talking teapots probably appeals to Belle considering what she likes to read.

Belle herself reads books all day, her favorite being "Far off places, daring swordfights, magic spells, a prince in disguise!" and shes so enamored by the book the store owner gives it to her. She has no interest in her fathers inventions, and seemingly has no skills outside of general housework, since its obvious her father is too old and absorbed in his inventions to do anything. But her entire song lineup says she doesn't like the town, and don't think much of the people who live there.

Little town it's a quiet village.
Every day like the one before.
Little town full of little people, waking up to say.

There goes the baker with his tray like always.
The same old bread and rolls to sell.
Every morning just the same since the morning that we came,
To this poor provincial town.

"Madame Gaston!"
Can't you just see it?
"Madame Gaston!"
His "little wife", ugh!
No sir! Not me! I guarantee it!
I want much more than this provincial life!
I want adventure in the great wide somewhere
I want it more than I can tell
And for once it might be grand
To have someone understand
I want so much more than they've got planned

The funny thing is. She gets her wish in the end, she ends up living in a Castle with a Prince and servants, and all the fantasy books she could ever read. She hasn't learnt anything about not looking down on the "little people" of the town nearby, and the whole saga has probably reinforced her view that small town people are stupid violent hicks.
 
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Lazuli said:
The funny thing is. She gets her wish in the end, she ends up living in a Castle with a Prince and servants, and all the fantasy books she could ever read. She hasn't learnt anything about not looking down on the "little people" of the town nearby, and the whole saga has probably reinforced her view that small town people are stupid violent hicks.
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I've been hearing that they might emphasize this in the remake...
 
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