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Venus said:
Bitches don't seem to to be familiar with the lore of Star Wars... At all.

If they want to see "queer representations" then they should either pick up some of the expanded universe content or stick with Fanfiction.Net
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Heh, if that's the case, they should go play The Old Republic and slog it all the way to the Shadow of Revan expansion. Then they'll get all the self-insert queer representation in Star Wars that their heart desires.
 
While the fear of the White Oscar Season boogeyman is the focus of the article, the comments that are made are the amusing bickering you see a bit in reality competition shows. Especially when one poster (Space Doppleganger Human) isn't totally kissing Fury Road's ass.
 
This was a really great post someone made in response to an article where the site were still going on about having a Finn/Poe reationship in The Force Awakens.

I think people need to stop thinking that movies and shows OWE them the canon relationship they have in their own head canon and instead accept what's given to them canon and on screen. Just because we're fans doesn't mean we get to dictate how it goes.
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Now the responses...
  • No fandom dictates, sure, but smart creators give the audience what it wants... sorry, what the creators _perceive_ the audience wants. That's the telling (non-)act that keeps any non-droid queer relationship out of Star Wars.
  • I don't think anyone here feels like they're owed this specific relationship. Just that it would be nice to see mainstream lgbtq characters, and that if any franchise could get away with doing that without taking too big a hit, it would be Star Wars.

    (that said, from a storytelling perspective, rather than a shipper perspective, I still feel we're a bit "owed" Steve/Bucky, because holy crap, they're basically writing everything about them as a tragic romance, complete with old WWII torchsongs, and I have Feelings about set-ups that never intend to payoff.)

 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
This was a really great post someone made in response to an article where the site were still going on about having a Finn/Poe reationship in The Force Awakens.

Now the responses...
  • No fandom dictates, sure, but smart creators give the audience what it wants... sorry, what the creators _perceive_ the audience wants. That's the telling (non-)act that keeps any non-droid queer relationship out of Star Wars.
  • I don't think anyone here feels like they're owed this specific relationship. Just that it would be nice to see mainstream lgbtq characters, and that if any franchise could get away with doing that without taking too big a hit, it would be Star Wars.

    (that said, from a storytelling perspective, rather than a shipper perspective, I still feel we're a bit "owed" Steve/Bucky, because holy crap, they're basically writing everything about them as a tragic romance, complete with old WWII torchsongs, and I have Feelings about set-ups that never intend to payoff.)
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You know, I did an Arts Degree so I'm used to untangling knotty and complex pieces of writing, but I still can't for the life of me figure out exactly what the fuck's being said here. Please help *sigh*
 
Problematic Kawaii said:
https://archive.is/oB5Ls
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They were just cheering for censorship, I mean localization of SFV just a few weeks ago.
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They sure hate hetero relationships as if any mention of one (especially in kids' shows) is evil brainwashing unless they ok it. I'm all for gay relationships in a cartoon (Jeff's two moms in Clarence did it well), but it can be done without demonizing another side.
 
Problematic Kawaii said:
https://archive.is/oB5Ls
:lol:
They were just cheering for censorship, I mean localization of SFV just a few weeks ago.
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I asked this in the Dobson thread, but has this always been the case with Cartoon Network in the U.K.? Did they cut all the gay jokes out of Cow and Chicken, or the violence in The Powerpuff Girls?

In any case, I know it's been that way for the past few years. Someone on the Internet has a page that details the edits made to Regular Show in the U.K. But the minute it interferes with their precious lesbianism - bam, now it's an issue!

Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
They sure hate hetero relationships as if any mention of one (especially in kids' shows) is evil brainwashing unless they ok it. I'm all for gay relationships in a cartoon (Jeff's two moms in Clarence did it well), but it can be done without demonizing another side.
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Much as they acclaim CN for being so pro-gay these days, I can remember when they did stuff like this... (And that episode of Dial M for Monkey with the gay Silver Surfer parody too...)
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
They sure hate hetero relationships as if any mention of one (especially in kids' shows) is evil brainwashing unless they ok it. I'm all for gay relationships in a cartoon (Jeff's two moms in Clarence did it well), but it can be done without demonizing another side.
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Don't get me wrong; I hate censorship and CN UK's really stupid for doing that but The Mary Sue and the SU fandom suddenly caring about censorship when their alien lesbians are threatened is pretty telling.
 
Problematic Kawaii said:
Don't get me wrong; I hate censorship and CN UK's really stupid for doing that but The Mary Sue and the SU fandom suddenly caring about censorship when their alien lesbians are threatened is pretty telling.
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Censorship is bad, obviously, but it's really hypocritical the way they only condemn it when it's censorship of something they like.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
This was a really great post someone made in response to an article where the site were still going on about having a Finn/Poe reationship in The Force Awakens.



Now the responses...
  • No fandom dictates, sure, but smart creators give the audience what it wants... sorry, what the creators _perceive_ the audience wants. That's the telling (non-)act that keeps any non-droid queer relationship out of Star Wars.
  • I don't think anyone here feels like they're owed this specific relationship. Just that it would be nice to see mainstream lgbtq characters, and that if any franchise could get away with doing that without taking too big a hit, it would be Star Wars.

    (that said, from a storytelling perspective, rather than a shipper perspective, I still feel we're a bit "owed" Steve/Bucky, because holy crap, they're basically writing everything about them as a tragic romance, complete with old WWII torchsongs, and I have Feelings about set-ups that never intend to payoff.)
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Holy crap. I hate this mentality so much. I feel like The Simpsons said it the best. Unfortunately, I can't find a clip on YouTube, so I'll just settle for some copy and paste quotes from IMDb.
Comic Book Guy: Last night's Itchy & Scratchy was, without a doubt, the worst episode ever. Rest assured that I was on internet within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world.

Bart Simpson: Hey, I know it wasn't great, but what right do you have to complain?

Comic Book Guy: As a loyal viewer, I feel they owe me.

Bart Simpson: What? They've given you thousands of hours of entertainment for free. What could they possibly owe you? I mean, if anything, you owe them.

Comic Book Guy: Worst episode ever.
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In short, J.J Abrams, the Russo brothers, or whoever is in charge of whatever franchise you happen to be obsessed with, don't owe you shit. These guys have worked hard to provide relatively cheap entertainment for you. It's one thing to be critical. Hell, you could say that you thought it sucked. But to throw a hissy fit because the movie didn't follow your fanfic or headcanons is entitled as fuck.
 
TheImportantFart said:
You know, I did an Arts Degree so I'm used to untangling knotty and complex pieces of writing, but I still can't for the life of me figure out exactly what the fuck's being said here. Please help *sigh*
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My guess is with the first one: "Fandom is what dictates the story. If the creator is smart, (s)he will do what the audience wants, not what (s)he thinks the audience wants. And that's why we haven't had something other the supposingly homoerotic tension that is C-3PO and R2D2's relationship." With the second one: "Uh, no, we're not being entitled. We just think it's time for the mainstream Star Wars stuff to do something like that. But I still think we're "owed" a cannon Steve and Bucky relationship because of the homoerotic tension."

Going back to Steven Universe, if it wasn't for the fact that Steven and Connie were an interracial and could turn into a intersex/agender being (Stevonie) and Connie is a geek girl TMS would be less supportive of the relationship. Imagine if Connie was a white valley girl that was into fashion and cooking and she couldn't fuse with Steven.
 
http://www.themarysue.com/warhammer-40k-gender-representation/

I used to play 40k when I was 14 so as anyone who is even remotely aware of the setting knows how totally absurd this for so many different reasons it could write an article double this ones length, not in the least because the reasons the sisters arnt as popular model wise is because they don't sell as well. Also praising the Dark Eldar's gender representation while bitching about their costumes (another sex negative femminist, what a surprise) is pretty hilarious when you read what they're actually like.
 
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Emperor Julian said:
http://www.themarysue.com/warhammer-40k-gender-representation/

I used to play 40k when I was 14 so as anyone who is even remotely aware of the setting knows how totally absurd this for so many different reasons it could write an article double this ones length, not in the least because the reasons the sisters arnt as popular model wise is because they don't sell as well. Also praising the Dark Eldar's gender representation while bitching about their costumes (another sex negative femminist, what a surprise) is pretty hilarious when you read what they're actually like.
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I'm not even a Warhammer expert, but isn't the setting supposed to be, uh, "crapsack"? As in, not really meant to represent a morally ideal world? So why try to make the gender politics ideal?
 
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