Disaster The Hard-Drug Decriminalization Disaster - How soon is too soon to call a progressive and libertarian policy obsession a public policy fiasco?

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Amanda Lucier for The New York Times

How soon is too soon to call a progressive and libertarian policy obsession a public policy fiasco? In the case of Oregon’s Drug Addiction Treatment and Recovery Act, better known as Measure 110, the moment can’t come soon enough.

In 2020, Oregon voters approved, with 58 percent in favor, a measure to decriminalize possession of small amounts of hard drugs such as cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine and establish a drug-treatment program funded by tax revenue from marijuana sales. Those caught with less than a gram of heroin or less than two grams of meth are issued the equivalent of a traffic ticket, with a $100 fine that can be waived by calling a treatment referral number and agreeing to participate in a health assessment.

Supporters of the measure called it a huge first step and a paradigm-shifting win that would bring down overdose rates, lessen the spread of disease, reduce racial inequities and make it easier for addicts to seek out treatment. The Drug Policy Alliance, which spent millions to help pass the measure, called it “the biggest blow to the drug war to date” and celebrated its supposed success in a slick video.

Now comes the reality check.

“On her walk to work at Forte Portland, a coffee shop and wine bar that she operates with her brother in the sunken lobby of a commercial building, Jennifer Myrle sidesteps needles, shattered glass and human feces,” The Times’s Jan Hoffman reported this week, alongside an extraordinary photo essay from the photographer Jordan Gale. “Often, she says, someone is passed out in front of the lobby’s door, blocking her entrance. The other day, a man lurched in, lay down on a Forte couch, stripped off his shirt and shoes and refused to leave.”

Other scenes the piece describes and depicts:

A woman who, according to Myrle, performed oral sex on a man at 11:30 in the morning on a block between Target and Nordstrom.

A police officer handing out toothless citations to addicts shooting up in public, sometimes, the officer said, on playgrounds.

A list of the reasons a fentanyl and meth addict named Noah Nethers likes Portland: “He can do drugs wherever he wants, and the cops no longer harass him. There are more dealers, scouting for fresh customers moving to paradise. That means drugs are plentiful and cheap.” (Not as idyllic: “Folks in nearby tents, high on meth, hit him with baseball bats.”)

What these anecdotes suggest, the data confirms. In 2019 there were 280 unintentional opioid overdose deaths in Oregon. In 2021 there were 745. In 2019 there were 413 shooting incidents in Portland. In 2022 there were 1,309. (Numbers have abated a bit this year.) Of the 4,000 drug use citations issued in Oregon during the first two years of Measure 110, The Economist found, only 40 people called the hotline and were interested in treatment. “It has cost taxpayers $7,000 a call,” The Economist reported. The number of people living on the street in Multnomah County, which includes Portland, rose by 29 percent from January 2022 to January 2023.

In their defense, proponents of Measure 110 — support for which has plummeted — argue that decriminalization is still in its early days and funds for harm reduction, housing and other services have been slow to arrive. Some also point to Portugal, which decriminalized hard drugs for personal use in 2001 to great fanfare, as an example of what decriminalization has achieved over time.

So how is that going?

Not so well, as suggested in a report last month by The Washington Post’s Anthony Faiola and Catarina Fernandes Martins. The number of adults using drugs in Portugal shot up to 12.8 percent in 2022, from 7.8 percent the year the policy began. Overdose rates in Lisbon have doubled in the last four years. The police blame drugs for a rise in crime. In the city of Porto, drug use is contributing to a steep decline in the quality of urban life. The number of people obtaining treatment fell by nearly 70 percent between 2015 and 2021. The dissuasion commissions that were supposed to encourage people to seek help no longer play much of a role.

Here, too, defenders of the system point to funding shortfalls, especially for treatment. But the sticky fact that proponents of decriminalization rarely confront is that addicts are not merely sick people trying to get well, like cancer sufferers in need of chemotherapy. They are people who often will do just about anything to get high, however irrational, self-destructive or, in some cases, criminal their behavior becomes. Addiction may be a disease, but it’s also a lifestyle — one that decriminalization does a lot to facilitate. It’s easier to get high wherever and however you want when the cops are powerless to stop you.

Some readers of this column will respond that, whatever the problems in Portland or Portugal, we don’t want to return to the cost, violence and apparent fruitlessness of the old war on drugs. But that depends on whether the price of endless war exceeds or falls short of the price of permanent surrender.

To judge by the catastrophe unfolding in Oregon, I’d think twice before replicating this reckless experiment elsewhere.

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I don't support alcohol being illegal and use it myself, but you're deluding yourself if you think you could never become addicted to it. People have also used cocaine and opiates without becoming addicted but that doesn't mean you're not gambling with that risk if you use them. It's up to you to make that decision based upon your personal experience with substances, not mine, but it's important to respect what you put into your body.

Alcohol is inherently addictive because of the way the chemical works in your brain. It's extremely similar to benzodiazepines, which is why benzos are used to treat alcohol withdrawal. If you use this substance too much and too frequently especially if you have other problems concurrent in your life you will start to develop psychological and then physical dependence.

And unlike other drugs, even crack, meth or heroin, alcohol and benzodiazepine withdrawal can be lethal. Something like 25% of alcohol users develop alcohol use disorder during their lives (to the point of requiring medical treatment/diagnosis) so it is far from uncommon among people who consume that drug.

Just be careful, which it sounds like you are.

do you have any idea how much and how regularly you have to drink to become addicted to alcohol? to avoid addiction all you have to do is not get hammered every day. You can get totally shitfaced 6 days a week and you will not get addicted. You can have 1-2 drinks daily and not get addicted, although that's not good for you.

even though I like booze, I actually do think alcohol it more destructive than American and European society are willing to be honest about, but it's got very little to do with alcohol addiction, you're an idiot. humanity is never going to be able to deal with mindaltering substances if people are so retarded about them.
 
Alcohol tends to, for many, to be self-limiting. Hangovers for most are a bitch, and the 'hair of the dog' mentality of drinking to get over a hangover is what leads to alcoholism directly.

Most other illegal and should-be illegal drugs don't have that kind of instant karma which keeps most people from constantly doing it.

I am lucky, I haven't really known many IRL people that've been majorly into drugs for a long time. Some alkies sure, but big deal for the most part as long as they aren't suicidal or homicidal or drive. Cig smokers are killing themselves too quickly, that to me is a bigger worry for someone you care about.

Weed and other illicit drugs and narcotics creep up, quickly. I've known many people went from decent school students to pizza drivers at best, just from weed. If you think this game is worth it, play. No online argument is going to change anyone's mind, and I hate even discussing it after all the green warrior shit I've dealt with over and over.
 
Cool, can we now decriminalize full automatic weapons? My need for a P90 w/suppressor is more important than air or water. I don't care if it's a meme gun with an overpriced cartridge, I need one, now.
 
do you have any idea how much and how regularly you have to drink to become addicted to alcohol? to avoid addiction all you have to do is not get hammered every day. You can get totally shitfaced 6 days a week and you will not get addicted. You can have 1-2 drinks daily and not get addicted, although that's not good for you.
I mean if you're getting that drunk six days a week on a prolonged basis you've got a use disorder and if you've been doing it long enough and in the wrong circumstances will have some kind of withdrawal symptoms. That's why most of the time you can drink heavily in college and be fine afterwards - you were doing it for fun/with people vs. using it to dealing with problems.

But it's not up to the government to do anything about this. We should be free to take risks but also required to deal with the consequences ourselves.

even though I like booze, I actually do think alcohol it more destructive than American and European society are willing to be honest about, but it's got very little to do with alcohol addiction, you're an idiot. humanity is never going to be able to deal with mindaltering substances if people are so retarded about them.
There's definitely a relationship although it's one of many factors. They way it acts in the brain is similar to benzos which is why they use those to treat alcohol withdrawal and why they have their own risk of addiction.

However if you know yourself and keep an eye on set/setting like any drug you use, you should be fine. The problem is a lot of people don't because they don't take alcohol seriously as a drug which can have very good, or very bad effects depending on how you use it. Once you start drinking to deal with problems or to feel better you are playing with fire.

There's a great study about heroin addicts during the Vietnam War who completely lost their addiction when they returned to the US that is definitely worth reading.
 
Some readers of this column will respond that, whatever the problems in Portland or Portugal, we don’t want to return to the cost, violence and apparent fruitlessness of the old war on drugs.
Portugal actually required drug treatment or they would send you to jail.

My fellow Americans have a very distorted view on how Europe or the rest of the world actually functions.
 
hard drug decriminalization could work if you're actually willing to take the bums off the street when they become a nuisance, or let property owners get the bums off their land. Instead the welfare state has basically propped these people up and protected them as they set up tent cities in front of everyones' shops, loitering, leaving needles everywhere, leaving filth on the streets, etc.

The main issue is the reluctance to enforce the law in general, not a reluctance to restart the failed war on drugs.
 
hard drug decriminalization could work if you're actually willing to take the bums off the street when they become a nuisance, or let property owners get the bums off their land. Instead the welfare state has basically propped these people up and protected them as they set up tent cities in front of everyones' shops, loitering, leaving needles everywhere, leaving filth on the streets, etc.

The main issue is the reluctance to enforce the law in general, not a reluctance to restart the failed war on drugs.
The problem with legalizing drugs and the offering solutions is you're building a closed loop. If you think legalizing drugs, and I've seen this argued, will limit users and lower rates and the need for treatment and jailing and disasters, well you're a fucking idiot.

Your argument is directly flawed because it's also a loop. More drugs, easier to get leads to more homeless, and more ruined lives, which leads to more desire for drugs.

Just fucking singapore this shit early on, kill them.
 
Cool, can we now decriminalize full automatic weapons? My need for a P90 w/suppressor is more important than air or water. I don't care if it's a meme gun with an overpriced cartridge, I need one, now.
The trigger on that gun is fucking weird.
 
The trigger on that gun is fucking weird.
I've held a P90, and the trigger is good. The problem is you don't have a good place to put your left hand. If it had a forward vertical style grip it would be good, but it's this weird rounded 'trigger guard' area. It's not a comfortable weapon to hold.

The 5.7mm is not a bad caliber if in black tip FMJ. Even just green or plain FMJ is decent.

Anyway, drugs stupid and selfish, guns good.
 
The problem with legalizing drugs and the offering solutions is you're building a closed loop. If you think legalizing drugs, and I've seen this argued, will limit users and lower rates and the need for treatment and jailing and disasters, well you're a fucking idiot.
They will weed themselves out of the gene pool as nature intended
Your argument is directly flawed because it's also a loop. More drugs, easier to get leads to more homeless, and more ruined lives, which leads to more desire for drugs.
if you look at skid row and decide you wanna be like the people living there then you deserve to die tbh
Just fucking singapore this shit early on, kill them.
"that wasn't REAL prohibition, it'll totally work this time trust me!"
 
They will weed themselves out of the gene pool as nature intended
Nope, not without taking everyone out with them.
if you look at skid row and decide you wanna be like the people living there then you deserve to die tbh
Pre-empt that.
"that wasn't REAL prohibition, it'll totally work this time trust me!"
Well, legalizing it is the worst answer. Killing them isn't great either, but it's better.

ETA, in the end it's really not all that different than troonism. If you're into it, it's fine, a great life, and so on.

If you see it for what it is, you're like wtf.. A troon or druggie will consider you a stupid normie. And back and forth the debate goes as the drugs and troomism train takes over and we go to hell en masse.
 
Cool, can we now decriminalize full automatic weapons? My need for a P90 w/suppressor is more important than air or water. I don't care if it's a meme gun with an overpriced cartridge, I need one, now.

I feel the same way about the Knight's Armament AMG and M1918A2 BAR. It's fucking ridiculous that something enshrined in the Bill of Rights section of the Constitution as "shall not be infringed" has so many infringements against it, yet worthless losers can legally burn themselves out on narcotics and my tax dollars have to pay for the fallout from it.
 
Are you an alocholic? I've been drinking forever and I've never been addicted. Like I had like one beer in the past week. Even when I drink a lot on rare occassions, I don't become addicted becuase I get ovfer the hangover and go back to normal life. This is autistic nonsense. It's been 100 percent proven that USA is fine with alcohol being legal like thas been in other countries for hundreds of years longer. This is like banning cars because of bad drivers. You're just another autistic control freak that can't comprehnd that not everyone is as broken as you are.

I don't support alcohol being illegal and use it myself, but you're deluding yourself if you think you could never become addicted to it. People have also used cocaine and opiates without becoming addicted but that doesn't mean you're not gambling with that risk if you use them. It's up to you to make that decision based upon your personal experience with substances, not mine, but it's important to respect what you put into your body.

Alcohol is inherently addictive because of the way the chemical works in your brain. It's extremely similar to benzodiazepines, which is why benzos are used to treat alcohol withdrawal. If you use this substance too much and too frequently especially if you have other problems concurrent in your life you will start to develop psychological and then physical dependence.

And unlike other drugs, even crack, meth or heroin, alcohol and benzodiazepine withdrawal can be lethal. Something like 25% of alcohol users develop alcohol use disorder during their lives (to the point of requiring medical treatment/diagnosis) so it is far from uncommon among people who consume that drug.

Just be careful, which it sounds like you are.
the reason alcohol prohibition doesn't work is because you can't realistically control alcohol production. it's made from staple foods (grain and fruit), anybody can buy a few pounds of flour or sugar, add yeast, and set up a little homebrew fermentation operation in the basement, then run it through a DIY distillery and make liquor. you can't crack down on the sale of wheat, rice, potatoes, apples, cherries, grapes, so you can't stop this. that's why alcohol prohibition in america failed, that's why alcohol prohibition is not practical in general. only way to eliminate it from society is if you have a very strong social taboo against it, like in islamic societies, otherwise it's always going to pop up one way or another.

that's the big difference between alcohol and other drugs. coca leaf, opium poppy and cannabis are distinct plants that are only really cultivated to make drugs, so that stuff you can actually crack down on.
 
the reason alcohol prohibition doesn't work is because you can't realistically control alcohol production. it's made from staple foods (grain and fruit), anybody can buy a few pounds of flour or sugar, add yeast, and set up a little homebrew fermentation operation in the basement, then run it through a DIY distillery and make liquor. you can't crack down on the sale of wheat, rice, potatoes, apples, cherries, grapes, so you can't stop this. that's why alcohol prohibition in america failed, that's why alcohol prohibition is not practical in general. only way to eliminate it from society is if you have a very strong social taboo against it, like in islamic societies, otherwise it's always going to pop up one way or another.
Pretty much, if prisoners can make it in their cells using a hot plate, fruit cups and candy you can make it anywhere. That's why it's not only the most popular recreational drug worldwide but also a go-to for medical and industrial use. Like hemp/cannabis, ethanol is just plain useful, whether it's a cold beer on a hot day or champagne at a wedding, a disinfectant, a fuel or a solvent.

Islam's own relationship with alcohol was gradual, Muhammad started first by telling people not to pray drunk and eventually it evolved into total abstinence.

Madhabs centuries after Muhammad still permitted alcohol consumption (some to a very heavy degree). One I always thought was funny was literally interpreting Muhammad's statements about alcohol and only abstaining from wine. It just goes to show you how legalistic Islam really is, it's much closer to Rabbinic Judaism than it is any Christian denomination.

that's the big difference between alcohol and other drugs. coca leaf, opium poppy and cannabis are distinct plants that are only really cultivated to make drugs, so that stuff you can actually crack down on.
Plus they're geographically limited on top of it. As you noted, you can produce alcohol basically anywhere on the planet that has wild yeast in the air, water, and something with a fermentable sugar in it.

It's about as futile an effort as trying to control psilocybin or amanitas mushrooms, or datura.
 
The tone deafness of these articles makes me lol soo hard: why do you want drugs to be decriminalized? because it puts on display how retarded your metropolitan areas are compared to the rest of the country. it puts on display how the coddling your local junkie nonsense doesnt work at all. if youre going to baby them it doesnt matter if drugs are or arent legal. this is just how cities work.
In rural oregon: I havent seen one fucking drug dealer in a year of living here other than two old dudes selling eachother mushrooms at a park one of them literally grew himself. I have only seen ONE od in public vs the dozen or so I saw in GA in like 6 months. oh and I havent seen a single fent zombie in any rural area.
in rural areas the locals dont suck a junkies asshole for wokegibs and virtue signaling points which also goes a long way towards not enabling the actual addicts.
In fact 9/10 the ppl writing these articles are angy that some liberal shit stain stole their gov gibs via some stupid homeless program vs incarceration. its all about money in the end.
edit: reminder that we didnt have a drug problem in the '20s when literally everyone and your mother was smoking weed or buying fucking cocaine and heroin directly from bayer and J&J. A junkie back then was unheard of
My main problem with the war on drugs is the whole criminal record thing. It's kinda fucked up if you get your shit together that a drug possession charge can fuck your life up. Enforce the law but give junkies a chance to change, it's not like they are pedos or something.


Also bring back caning because if given the choice between caning 10 times or a year in jail I know what I'm picking
 
I remember years before anywhere in the US or Canada adopted this shit seeing Poortugal held up as stunning and brave for drug decriminalization. Wonder how they're doing?
 
reminder that we didnt have a drug problem in the '20s when literally everyone and your mother was smoking weed or buying fucking cocaine and heroin directly from bayer and J&J. A junkie back then was unheard of
Not to get too autistic about this, but yeah we absolutely had a drug problem in the 1920's. That's the decade most of this stuff got banned at the federal level (The Harrison Act was in the mid-1910's, basically the start of federal drug prohibition, with heroine outlawed entirely by 1924 and Cocaine was heavily regulated by 1922). Many state governments and cities were banning Cocaine well before the 1920's, specifically because of how many black men were addicts. I think Georgia banned Cocaine in 1906, due to "black cocaine fiends" raping white women (supposedly).

Europe was more into Ether during that time, especially young children, though Britain was also banning Heroin and other opiates by 1920 and "cracking" down on cocaine before that.

Really, the US has had a major junkie problem since the Civil War, when morphine addiction exploded among veterans of the war.
 
I'm very pro-decriminalization on drugs, even the hardest shit, because in my ideal world the junkies can just kill themselves faster and other people can move on with their lives. Much like I do not ingest quinoa or kale, I will continue not using meth in my daily life.

If you're surrounded by people who you think would do hard drugs and become junkies, that sounds like a city-slicker problem.
 
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