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Big Lenny said:
I never understood why they decided to give the pyro that kind of mobility. Don't get me wrong, its not unbalanced or anything, its just a weird choice.
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probably the line of thinking is something akin to
  1. can't be a shotgun since the shotgun has been fully explored as a concept (i still miss the old panic)
  2. can't be a flare since the flares have been fully explored as a concept
  3. can't be a banner since the phlog exists + would be antithetical to pyro
  4. can't be an edible since the phlog was nerfed exactly for having given pyro a way to refill his hp + would be antithetical to pyro
which boils down to doubling down on giving him movement capabilities since the detonator was the rather janky brainwave the og devs had, insane movement capabilities but losing your secondary is something workable in itself....
....but the end result was this, which is sad since even if less contentious than the df it would've been an actually refreshing thing in itself

also on an unrelated note, and also a rather late discovery, great blue made a vid about new theoretical upgrades that'd totes help the shitty weapons of the gamemode...
...it's really fucking bad and it's on the same level of grouch's rebalance video basically
 
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piombo said:
probably the line of thinking is something akin to
  1. can't be a shotgun since the shotgun has been fully explored as a concept (i still miss the old panic)
  2. can't be a flare since the flares have been fully explored as a concept
  3. can't be a banner since the phlog exists + would be antithetical to pyro
  4. can't be an edible since the phlog was nerfed exactly for having given pyro a way to refill his hp + would be antithetical to pyro
which boils down to doubling down on giving him movement capabilities since the detonator was the rather janky brainwave the og devs had, insane movement capabilities but losing your secondary is something workable in itself....
....but the end result was this, which is sad since even if less contentious than the df it would've been an actually refreshing thing in itself

also on an unrelated note, and also a rather late discovery, great blue made a vid about new theoretical upgrades that'd totes help the shitty weapons of the gamemode...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NWQmSP3eL-s...it's really fucking bad and it's on the same level of grouch's rebalance video basically
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If MvM gets a rebalance it needs MUCH more than new upgrades. A problem with MvM is that you have to try to turn most classes' weapons into crowd damage dealers or hyper-focus on making yourself the designated tank/giant killer. This means that secondaries like pistols, flare guns, etc. are fundamentally bad because they're weapons designed for fighting 1v1s in PvP. To fix this you need to change the base stats of these weapons in MvM compared to vanilla. You'd probably also have to change how falloff and ramp up work significantly. Otherwise even with a shotgun with a 100% damage boost you'll still find yourself chipping away at a single bot when there's like 4 in a group you have to deal with. You'd also probably have to nerf reload speed on primaries to encourage you to use secondaries when your primary is out of ammo.
There's also the fact that there's basically no reason not to stick with your team the entire game (unless you're playing Spy). This further hurts secondary weapons since there's no reason to not, for example, use Soldier's banners. The downside of not having a backup weapon is completely offset by 5 teammates who are almost certainly going to be able to handle whatever threats appear during your downtime reloading/blowing your banner.
 
Sigmund Freud said:
Speaking of MvM, what happened to that update we were promised?
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also it's now been six years since the passing of rick may, the soldier statues are back on select maps and Taps is playing on the main menu
rest in power king
 
Sigmund Freud said:
Speaking of MvM, what happened to that update we were promised?
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"promised" the TF2 team could post an unironic picture of the gaben himself hovering his finger over a button labelled "heavy update" and the odds of us actually getting it would remain unchanged.

This is because valve is like a shitty prostitute that never wants you to cum.
 
Slight :politisperg:, but I’m convinced that the modern TF2 community only hates Scout because he’s the closest thing the main cast has to a heckin’ sexist chud. There’s a positive correlation between how left-wing a SFM/GMod-tuber is and how much Scout abuse they cram into their videos.
 
Two Dollars said:
Slight :politisperg:, but I’m convinced that the modern TF2 community only hates Scout because he’s the closest thing the main cast has to a heckin’ sexist chud. There’s a positive correlation between how left-wing a SFM/GMod-tuber is and how much Scout abuse they cram into their videos.
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I hate to ask what pits of Hell you've been looking at to see that kind of thing but I must admit to being curious for examples.
 
Also because those lefty types are generally shit at the game and die to him frequently
 
TotalNematodeDeath said:
I hate to ask what pits of Hell you've been looking at to see that kind of thing but I must admit to being curious for examples.
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The pit called YouTube, my friend. Doctor Lalve in particular constantly kills off a bunch of Scouts in his videos, and back when he made a series on how to play each individual class, the Scout video was just a passive-aggressive rant about how much he hates him. I can’t think of any other specific examples off the top of my head, but it’s rare to see a modern SFM that puts him in a positive light, and the comments repeat ad-nauseam that Scout abuse is always justified.
 
Two Dollars said:
Doctor Lalve
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and you've said more than enough, if you exclude the fact that he's just a gmod animator that's mostly done randum humor, people treat scout as a punching bag because it's funny to see him be the butt of slapstick jokes since he's renown to be an annoying retard
Conan said:
Tbf, scout doesn't take skill
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also scout players don't get bitches since scout gets none to begin with
 
piombo said:
and you've said more than enough, if you exclude the fact that he's just a gmod animator that's mostly done randum humor, people treat scout as a punching bag because it's funny to see him be the butt of slapstick jokes since he's renown to be an annoying retard
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Just saying, the term "scunts" exist for a reason. Scout mains are as accurate as Jeremy's personality, if you see said scout main have a hat (unusual or not) with a green coat of paint, congratulations, you have met a TF2 dickhead.
 
WULULULULU said:
Just saying, the term "scunts" exist for a reason. Scout mains are as accurate as Jeremy's personality, if you see said scout main have a hat (unusual or not) with a green coat of paint, congratulations, you have met a TF2 dickhead.
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I can relate. WAY back when MVM was new, I came across a scout with a botkiller scattergun while I had strange scattergun in a trade server.

"Oh look at that, you've got a strange scattergun"

He basically called me a poorfag to my face.
 
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NeonFlux said:
I can relate. WAY back when MVM was new, I came across a scout with a botkiller scattergun while I have strange scattergun in a trade server.

"Oh look at that, you've got a strange scattergun"

He basically called me a poorfag to my face.
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Ha. Only took a few months for those ugly ass skins to crater in value anyway.
 
Two Dollars said:
I’m convinced that the modern TF2 community only hates Scout because he’s the closest thing the main cast has to a heckin’ sexist chud.
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Zesty has uploaded a video about why Payload is dominate in Valve's Casual Mode.
 
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