Tamers12345 - Autistic Sonic and Bartleby Shipper and Video Maker

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Tamers makes more through Patreon than your average industry animator makes in wages. I'm not going to blame him too hard for trying to milk the brony paypiggies, he went from living on a tugboat to being able to write "Independent Contractor" on his tax forms. Still sucks that the monkey's paw curled a finger when someone said "Tamers is so talented, I wish more people recognized his autism."
I can understand that he wants the dosh, but by God there are better ways to get people to fork over money than blatant shipfaggotry. It reeks of key jangling and it feels like it's solely going to be enjoyed by Patreon supporters.
 
After all the SymphonyDawn talk got reignited it definitely feels like a ponyfag or two is whispering in his ear behind the scenes. The Two Tamers Theory might be true after all…
 
After all the SymphonyDawn talk got reignited it definitely feels like a ponyfag or two is whispering in his ear behind the scenes.
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"My lord, Sir Bartleby of Dresdin approaches, he is a herald of woe; he is not welcome."
 
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Apparently infection AUs are a thing for bronies? I only found this out from him announcing the Infection movie and people commenting on it. So we're going there.

My two cents on Marionette: She would be kinda fun if she had only two traits Tamers set up: she's insanely misandrist, and she just constantly breaks the fourth wall, causing the others to view her as a conspiracy theorist on how some outside force (probably male) is controlling their universe.
If nothing else I'm glad Big Mac might be in this episode. He's one of the few characters I actually like.
 
After all the SymphonyDawn talk got reignited it definitely feels like a ponyfag or two is whispering in his ear behind the scenes.
I guarantee you there is. Especially looking at the Marionette shit, the edgy Hasbin Hotel faced Soarin, black gay tranny sex pony, there's so many details that seem way out of Tamers' normal scope since the start of the horse shit. You could see this random pollination also occur with his SU videos but it mainly seemed to happen because he saw some random anime characters or certain pop culture memes that he decided to toss into the script.
At the very least, he's been collaborating with brony musicians. There has to be a line of communication between him and the pony fags, maybe through xitter dms or a groupchat if you can do that on the site. If that weren't true, I say with confidence that he gets influenced by the mlp content that is now presumably flooding his timeline.
My greatest fear is that he's in some sort of ungodly brony discord group to brainstorm certain ideas since there has been progressively more bizarre fetish shit in every episode. He's always been fucking weird but not hypnosis-bdsm-bondage-on stage humiliation weird.

As a quick edit, this isn't even touching upon the Patreon and people being able to get in touch with him by PO box too lol.
 
At the very least, he's been collaborating with brony musicians. There has to be a line of communication between him and the pony fags, maybe through xitter dms or a groupchat if you can do that on the site. If that weren't true, I say with confidence that he gets influenced by the mlp content that is now presumably flooding his timeline.
The musicians are 100% the attack vector point, when you see how many of them either fell down the HRT hole or are on the verge of it the influx of overdriven perversion and Hazbin garbage makes sense. There is a reason people in the less retardation tolerant groups make fun of “Princesswhatever” wondering when the inevitable I’m-a-girl-now tweet will drop.
 
At the very least, he's been collaborating with brony musicians. There has to be a line of communication between him and the pony fags, maybe through xitter dms or a groupchat if you can do that on the site. If that weren't true, I say with confidence that he gets influenced by the mlp content that is now presumably flooding his timeline.
My greatest fear is that he's in some sort of ungodly brony discord group to brainstorm certain ideas since there has been progressively more bizarre fetish shit in every episode. He's always been fucking weird but not hypnosis-bdsm-bondage-on stage humiliation weird.
From what I've seen of Tamers over the years he would not stay in a Discord for very long. He has no trouble speaking his mind and will offend others without any issue. That part of the autism seems authentic.

He was also very easy to reach for a long time through Patreon, if you messaged him there was a high probability he would respond unless you sent him something totally banal. These musicians probably saw potential in his content since the brony fandom is on life support. I'm sure they're fags like most musicians nowadays are, but turning Tamers into some kind of leftist seems difficult.
 
My most pretentious take is that Tamers is really just updating to what modern internet autism looks like. Old-school internet autism centered around weird crossovers between the autist's favorite cartoons and video games, poorly done in MSPaint or on printer paper then uploaded online, and often included bringing your weird fandom ideas into real life in an inappropriate way. It hurts so much more because Tamers was the last bastion of that and one of the few to make anything like it with real quality. The only other person who comes to mind is Lazerbot with Tails Gets Trolled, and he was never as self-aware as Tamers is. The pony stuff after DOTS is much more modern internet autism, which is more about latching on to your singular fandom and making everything about it. Remake memes with your favorite characters, make comics about them, shove them everywhere, and make it exclusively online. This includes a lot more sexuality and fetishes happening "ironically" like femboys and hypno, whereas the older stuff comes off more like an autist not understanding when making a comment about how hot someone's ass is isn't appropriate. Appropriate that the bronies were the ones who straddled the line between those two eras, with maybe Homestuck fans as an honorable mention.
 
Old-school internet autism centered around weird crossovers between the autist's favorite cartoons and video games, poorly done in MSPaint or on printer paper then uploaded online, and often included bringing your weird fandom ideas into real life in an inappropriate way. It hurts so much more because Tamers was the last bastion of that and one of the few to make anything like it with real quality.
Yeah that was one of the things that attracted me towards Tamers in the first place. Mixing characters from completely different franchises was always a cringe concept (see: Pooh’s Adventures) but Tamers did/does it in such a way that makes it so funny and well made.
 
Tamers did/does it in such a way that makes it so funny and well made.
I believe it's just cause instead of the usual crossover pitfalls of trying to tie two (or more) series together in one world or multiple related to the works being crossed over, Tamers levelled the playing field. The appeal of the Hedgehogs and their adventures was seeing how they went about Midwestern American living- never once do we see them go back to Mobius except for flashbacks. Same thing with everyone else crossed over. The Lyoko Warriors fighting XANA? It's outside a Pizza Hut with special appearances from Captain Planet who gets beat up after being hyped up by Aang. Yugi fighting an epic card duel? It's at a random middle school tournament, surprising Sonic at a mall, or in WW3- gets subverted when you realize that the rules of Yugi-Oh only work when someone else agrees to play the card game. The crossovers with other franchises work in a weird way because they're just as out of their element as the Sonic Underground is- stuck in the Midwest.
 
I agree with the general sentiment that seeing Tamers combine different properties in his style was always great but I don't think he has unlearned it that much.
The Powerpuff Girls, Professor Utonium, Mojo and Him recently and how he carried them over felt "authentic" in that regard. Him and Mojo were a gay couple, yet there were no forced melodramatic struggles like you you'd see in the pony videos.
I do think older crossovers were funnier but I think the PPG characters were held back by not being the primary focus of the episode and could've been better if the video was more properly structured around them instead of also having so much pony stuff in it.
All the weird shifts in writing and characterization seem to be pony exclusive, the problem is that pony content is nearly all he does now.
 
Apologies for double posting but I wanna spout my own opinion. Tamers has done more grounded serious gay relationships/scene in the Sonic Underground series (Sleet and Dingo in that one Christmas episode I can't be fucked to look for it atm) he can appeal to the fans that love that while also telling a genuinely funny and interesting story with that faggotry. It's a reason I feel that Tamers or if you subscribe to the Twin Tamers Theory one of the Tamers is Gay. The problem I have with it and he keeps doing is this Kawaii AMV shipfest EVERY EPISODE and bearly having anything funny during those moments other then the occasional pony fart, It's probably because those same fans devour that shit.
 
Tamers has done more grounded serious gay relationships/scene in the Sonic Underground series (Sleet and Dingo in that one Christmas episode I can't be fucked to look for it atm) he can appeal to the fans that love that while also telling a genuinely funny and interesting story with that faggotry.
Every Sleet and Dingo moment in a Christmas episode alone is infinitely better at representing a gay relationship than Apple Bottom and Care Package's whole relationship. It's a messy, confusing, and outright paradoxical relationship that doesn't stumble because 'ohh I'm so thirsty I need to kill someone to get in Care Package's pants!', it stumbles and hits hurdles like 'how are we going to afford renting an apartment?', or has amazing jokes like that brick joke about Dingo getting Sleet a box of Coca Cola after getting him a box of ice cubes a year ago from the Secret Santa party. It's grounded and it works so much better because it's not about getting panty shots of some ponyshit, it's about realistic struggles of couples even as Sleet and Dingo are just as exaggerated as everyone else.

Apple Bottom and Care Package meanwhile are an abusive relationship- as all Tamers relationships are- but not in the Tamers way. Apple Bottom only wants sex, Care Package just grooms and gaslights Apple Bottom for some reason (power or domination?). There is no concern at all about how their relationship will develop, what they want, or where they're going. It's just endless sexual gratification. It's a caricature of a gay relationship, it's so gay that it loops around to being what anti-gay caricatures portrayed gay marriage would become, an endless stream of short-term sexual gratification and nothing else.
 
There is no concern at all about how their relationship will develop, what they want, or where they're going. It's just endless sexual gratification.
an endless stream of short-term sexual gratification and nothing else.
This is a problem literally every single relationship in the pony videos have and why I could never bring myself to give a shit about any of them. Every single relationship is focused entirely on sex and wanting to fuck each other. That's it. That is literally the only thing any of them talk about 24/7. Why should I care about any of these ships if I can't believe that any of these characters actually care about one another? Sleet and Dingo, Knuckles and Sonia, hell even Cyrus and Trevor all at least feel like they enjoy just spending time with each other.
 
hell even Cyrus and Trevor all at least feel like they enjoy just spending time with each other.
Cyrus and Trevor at least seem to have some growth after finding Cyrus's dad or the constant 'are they, aren't they' dynamic of a relationship where Trevor seems to want the benefits of a gay relationship but doesn't want people to know about it and Cyrus just wants a damn answer half the time. Both like one another as friends at the least though, so there's something there under it all beyond wanting a quick fuck.
 
Cyrus and Trevor at least seem to have some growth after finding Cyrus's dad or the constant 'are they, aren't they' dynamic of a relationship where Trevor seems to want the benefits of a gay relationship but doesn't want people to know about it and Cyrus just wants a damn answer half the time. Both like one another as friends at the least though, so there's something there under it all beyond wanting a quick fuck.
It's weird that Cyrus and Trevor were killed in a pony episode. I know their irrelevance was a running gag but they're still incredibly long-running characters in Tamers. It's about one step away from killing off Sleet and Dingo, and it seems like nobody cares or even noticed.
 
It's weird that Cyrus and Trevor were killed in a pony episode. I know their irrelevance was a running gag but they're still incredibly long-running characters in Tamers. It's about one step away from killing off Sleet and Dingo, and it seems like nobody cares or even noticed.
inb4 Tamers just brings them back with no rhyme or reason.
 
Apologies for the double post but the Tamers Archive hasn’t advertised this yet so I’ll make a post about this now. Three previously lost videos that were deleted years ago have been uncovered, along with a version of Kindergarten Days that has a song that was removed due to copyright.

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The Geonosis Arena video is also thought to be part of the Boys saga because it features what looks like the SU characters meeting Anakin and Obi-Wan for the first time.
 
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