Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[projecteddrama]

Man who thought that an episode where Tom Paris turns into a mutant and has babies with Janeway was a good idea? For what fucking purpose? Like The Child 2.0.

It was Braga's attempt to redo the disaster that is Genesis (TNG). This is post TNG Braga though, where most of his stuff sucked, so no wonder it was actually a bit worse. He'd try it yet again with Enterprise's "Extinction" an even more offensive and terrible version.

Course, I've always liked the idea that the Federation is actually a Communist military dictatorship compared to a Fascist one lol.

I always thought Starfleet was just the Federations NASA and armed forces, at least that's what TNG and DS9 say, not the government. Though I've seen people say it's "communist", "fascist", liberal, and everything else and in between.

Not because I like Andy Dick, but because I literally did a spit take when I saw him. I wasn't expecting it.

"Message In a Bottle" despite Andy Dick, it's actually one of Voyagers few good episodes.

I kind of warmed up to the idea of Vulcans acting superior. Leads to some pretty fun conflicts like in The Andorian Incident.

That episode is okay, until you think about it for five seconds and realize how retarded the situation is. The redesign of the Andorians are cool (originally was supposed to be Gorn, that would have been interesting). and it's one of the few things I like about Enterprise. Probably a reason why they're going to be in Discovery, since it's shown Andorians aren't hopelessly cheesy.

Though the Andorians are simply Enterprise's answer to the TNG era Klingons. Which is funny because the Klingons in Enterprise kind of are as well.

I just try to ignore the theme song.

It's superficial, but it is a terrible song, and the lyrics don't even fit Star Trek. Plus the imagery being all American centric just makes it more awkward.

The NX-01 Enterprise is really cold and unfriendly compared to the Enterprise NCC-1701 and the NCC-1701-D

Eh? I think even Startrek.com criticized the show for basically portraying this ship as a luxury liner that's even safer than the Enterprise D. At least the first two seasons make it seem like that. Another reason I can't stand watching them.

Like how Archer and his crew are wary of the transporter, the little questions they got from kids back on Earth, the way they kind of fumble through some diplomatic situations, it's just a few nice touches here and there.

Again, eh? They don't actually treat the transporter as a dangerous new thing outside of dialogue here and there that they're worried about it (which is no different from Dr McCoys apprehension toward it) and one scene in an early episode where a guy has leaves all over him due to being transported. The rest of the series makes it clear its safe, which makes many episodes mind boggling as they apparently forget they have it.

That children letter scene was just another way for them insert juvenile humor, as usual, which Enterprise embraced because it was written by retards.

And by fumble, Archer largely does things that would start interstellar wars like he's some white trash tourist getting into trouble. I don't see how any of this is a "nice touch"

 

[ICametoLurk]

It was Braga's attempt to redo the disaster that is Genesis (TNG). This is post TNG Braga though, where most of his stuff sucked, so no wonder it was actually a bit worse. He'd try it yet again with Enterprise's "Extinction" an even more offensive and terrible version.

WHATS WITH ALL THE EPISODES WHERE PEOPLE DE-EVOLVE INTO BUGS, FROGS, OR APES.

 

[projecteddrama]

WHATS WITH ALL THE EPISODES WHERE PEOPLE DE-EVOLVE INTO BUGS, FROGS, OR APES.

Braga (and some of the other writers, at least on Voyager and Enterprise) is a fan of 50s B movies, so he tried to make constant homages to them. You can probably see why that didn't work out.

In TOS, the Romulans were more honorable and the Klingons were more deceitful.

Well, actually they were both portrayed as sneaky and deceitful, though the Klingons more so. Roddenberry wasn't allowed (largely due to budget) to portray the Klingons as alien Viking like savages that he originally intended, so the Klingons became Napolean/Fascist/Soviet stand ins without much distinct personality. And their 2D totalitarianism and espionage made them redundant when you factor in the Romulans. Apparently they were even going to join forces with the Romulans in the aborted forth season, something that the rest of Trek retcons IIRC by portraying the Romulans and Klingons as blood enemies for centuries.

The Vulcans in Enterprise are a far bigger retcon though. Strangely, the Andorians are the only ones consistent in all of Trek from what I understand. Enterprise largely got the personality of the Andorians from the Animated Series and various tie-in material.

he kind of not just bad, but horrifically insane writing that makes Enterprise one of the worst things ever given air time.

Yeah, don't know how anyone can watch the first few episodes of Enterprise and think the show has any potential.

 

[GeorgeDaMoose]

Weird? Sorry if this sound SJW-y, but that episode basically played date rape for laughs. It was more or less a gender-flipped version of "The Child", but handled even worse because at least that episode didn't make a joke out of the whole thing. This is the kind of not just bad, but horrifically insane writing that makes Enterprise one of the worst things ever given air time.

Date rape? I don't think it's exactly fair to compare touching telepathic beads to actual rape. The Xyllian(?) wasn't even aware that it was possible for another species to get pregnant like that so I don't consider it worse than The Child where a ball of light literally flies inside Troi's so it can knock her up and become human(?). There was clear intent in one case and none in the other. The real mistake of the episode's writing in my opinion was for the female engineer to refer to that bead shit as a "game". I think it's the least offensive pregnancy episode.
If you really see it as rape I guess I could understand why it'd be so horribly offensive. I just saw it as a really dumb episode though that managed to be fun before the beads and during the Klingon encounter.

 

[TheImportantFart]

The real mistake of the episode's writing in my opinion was for the female engineer to refer to that bead shit as a "game".

Therein lies the problem. She knew this was something that could get someone pregnant and therefore sexual and she willingly led Tucker on. She might not have intended to get him pregnant but she misled him as to the nature of what they were doing. There may not be malicious intent but it's still pretty morally repellant, especially considering it was played for laughs.

 

[projecteddrama]

http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/e105.php

I don't think anyone should try to defend "Unexpected". This is why Enterprise is the most aggressively stupid thing I've seen on TV outside braindead sitcoms (mind you, I don't watch 99 percent of TV , but it can't be as bad as Enterprise)

Voyager is more boring, but Enterprise is more stupid...hard to decide which is worse.

 

[GeorgeDaMoose]

Therein lies the problem. She knew this was something that could get someone pregnant and therefore sexual and she willingly led Tucker on. She might not have intended to get him pregnant but she misled him as to the nature of what they were doing. There may not be malicious intent but it's still pretty morally repellant, especially considering it was played for laughs.

I'm not arguing that what she did wasn't wrong. I'm saying that relating it to rape is a little ridiculous.
And saying that it's worse than The Child where there was an alien shoved its way up Troi's vagina while the crew treated this as perfectly normal or fucking Threshold where Paris actually abducted Janeway, forced her to fucking mutate into a lizard, and then mated with her (she also justifies this shit herself at the end by saying that she could have initiated the mating itself, like what the fuck Janeway are you insane?) is really goofy.

 

[ICametoLurk]

Voyager is more boring, but Enterprise is more stupid...hard to decide which is worse.

Don't forget Dear Doctor where they say "Fuck you" to a species just cause they are genetically inferior and thus dooming it to die in a horrifying manner lol.

 

[projecteddrama]

Don't forget Dear Doctor where they say "Fuck you" to a species just cause they are genetically inferior and thus dooming it to die in a horrifying manner lol.

Worst Trek episode ever

And saying that it's worse than The Child where there was an alien shoved its way up Troi's vagina while the crew treated this as perfectly normal or fucking Threshold where Paris actually abducted Janeway, forced her to fucking mutate into a lizard, and then mated with her (she also justifies this shit herself at the end by saying that she could have initiated the mating itself, like what the fuck Janeway are you insane?) is really goofy.

Well it's worse because A. it's supposed to be funny and B its Enterprise

 

[GeorgeDaMoose]

(mind you, I don't watch 99 percent of TV , but it can't be as bad as Enterprise)

Off topic, but you'd be surprised then. My girlfriend and I used to watch a lot of detective/crime shows for laughs and a lot of them are filled to the brim with absolutely stupid shit.

Spoiler: Quality TV

Wish I could find that episode from Life where they solve some fucking crime with a copy of Prince of Persia on the Xbox. I was in tears, that was just too funny. Enterprise and Voyager are downright deep when it comes to most of the shit I watched.
Speaking of Voyager though it got surprisingly okay later on. The cast is still not my cup of tea, but the stories are better. I feel like it's the polar opposite of how I view Enterprise.

 

[projecteddrama]

Off topic, but you'd be surprised then. My girlfriend and I used to watch a lot of detective/crime shows for laughs and a lot of them are filled to the brim with absolutely stupid shit.

I'm pretty sure you're right. My tv consumption is limited to Netflix exclusive shows, Walking Dead and Star Trek. Most TV is so braindead it should be illegal. I especially avoid crime drama like the plague.

Enterprise and Voyager are downright deep when it comes to most of the shit I watched.
Speaking of Voyager though it got surprisingly okay later on. The cast is still not my cup of tea, but the stories are better. I feel like it's the polar opposite of how I view Enterprise.

In all seriousness, you're right. And Voyager does get (two) good characters, and Enterprise does get half-decent (when it experiments with serialization and becomes a prequel). But they're so far beneath TNG and DS9. Those probably were only as good as they were though due to being syndicated and far away from executive meddling that basically ruined VOY and ENT.

On a side note, my brother is dating someone with obsessed with Voyager and defending it, lol

 

[XYZpdq]

Also what the FUCK is up with that theme song?

From what I've heard the ending song was supposed to be the theme song and the network said to use that as the opening.

 

[projecteddrama]

From what I've heard the ending song was supposed to be the theme song and the network said to use that as the opening.

It was supposed to be Archers Theme, which is the credits theme. They even recorded Scott Bakula reading the "Space, the final frontier" speech, so it was just going to be a remake of the TOS and TNG opening. While not a great theme (just as boring as the DS9 and Voyager themes), it's light years ahead of "Faith of the Heart", which was chosen due to executive meddling. A Patch Adams theme in Star Trek was the wise idea of UPN.

 

[XYZpdq]

Maybe it's because of that Space Bat video, but I have a bit of a soft spot for FAAAAAAAAAAITH OF THE HEAAART.

 

[projecteddrama]

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, GETTIN' FROM THERE TO HERE

 

[GeorgeDaMoose]

Finally managed to watch one of the TOS movies: The Undiscovered Country. It's the last damn one, but it was really great. Love that story with all the Klingon/Federation tension in it. Spock, McCoy, and Kirk were top tier as usual with the other crew shining unusually bright next to them. Fuck, even Sulu was good and he's my least favorite TOS crewman. Feels really good going back to TOS after VOY and ENT.
Welp time to pirate the rest of the movies until I get around to buying them and the various series. Is there like a mega-Trek bundle out there that includes all the shows and movies? I'd be totally interested in buying that shit.

 

[melty]

Therein lies the problem. She knew this was something that could get someone pregnant and therefore sexual and she willingly led Tucker on. She might not have intended to get him pregnant but she misled him as to the nature of what they were doing. There may not be malicious intent but it's still pretty morally repellant, especially considering it was played for laughs.

Maybe her species doesn't have the same view toward pregnancy as other species so it's not a big deal to her? I agree of course it's shitty to play for laughs. I can't believe I'm arguing about the morality of mpreg in Star Trek.

Worst Trek episode ever

Don't you say that a lot? lol.
My favorite part is the line about how there should be "some sort of directive" to deal with this situation.. goes over as well as the "trek through the stars" line from First Contact.

I like Voyager a lot but I can only defend it so much honestly. I mostly don't try.

 

[projecteddrama]

Don't you say that a lot? lol.

I think I've literally only said that about "Dear Doctor", which is because it's the worst Trek episode ever.

goes over as well as the "trek through the stars" line from First Contact.

That's "All Good Things". First Contact actually namedrops Star Trek. The Prime Directive is also stupid, even more stupid that they were doing episodes around it in a series that's supposed to take place before it even exists.

I like Voyager a lot but I can only defend it so much honestly. I mostly don't try.

Well there are some good things in it, just not enough where I'd ever mount a defense of the show.

The Undiscovered Country

It's one of the good ones. Not as good as First Contact or Wrath of Khan, and it has its silliness (like purple blood, Scooby Doo masks, the whole "human only" speech when the president of the Federation isn't even human) but overall it's pretty good.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

While we're talking about opening themes, this is still the best of the bunch.

 

[projecteddrama]

The one Star Trek film that Jerry Goldsmith did that didn't suck.

I think Wrath of Khan's theme is slightly better: