Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[YankeeTrader]

I looked at Mike's review for Generations.
Holy shit I must have actually fallen asleep during the film or something. Maybe my brain just switched off after the intro. I didn't remember a whole lot of plot points. That shit with the photo album? I didn't even remember that they killed off Picard's family fucking off screen in a fire, what the fuck. And Kirk's death, I actually completely forget his death. I wasn't distracted by anything while watching this movie too. I had my eyes glued to the screen and I don't remember Kirk's damn death. The film must have been more boring than I thought.
First Contact was at least entertaining enough for me to pay attention to so I could pick apart its flaws, admire the camera work, and admire the cool make-up/costume(?) work they did on Data. Speaking of Data though, why does he seem to be the focus in both movies? I like Data, but man he completely overshadows my man Riker. I want some more Riker being a competent officer and a suave dude. Instead he just blows up a Bird of Prey. And does a really shitty job at it. Back onto Data though, I 100% expect him to be a huge focus in Insurrection and Nemesis. Fuck he's even on the god damned poster for Nemesis with Picard. Yeah, fuck the rest of the crew. What's a Riker? Worf who?
Aside from the movies though I watched a bit more of Enterprise and it's going down the shitter pretty fast.
"Hey Captain take a look at this planet with less advanced people you know what would be great?"
"What would be great trip?"
"Let's take a shuttle down there without studying them or their culture and hope for the best "
I hope this is a one time thing.

Generations is a wholly forgettable movie. I'll at least watch the rest for the lulz, and I enjoy First Contact the most of all the TNG flicks.

Insurrection and Nemesis basically become the Picard and Data show, to unsurprising results. As Mike mentioned in one of the other reviews, Insurrection I think, that they kept trying to force Picard to be an action hero, and he never was on the TV show. It just never worked on screen. Not sure why they made Data key parts either. I feels you on the Riker pain. He was my favorite and fully underused in the movies.(fun fact: my first meeting of a Star Trek actor was Johnathan Frakes in 1990. Neat guy. Was going bald even then. Wife was hot)

Good luck on Enterprise. That's really all I can say

 

[XYZpdq]

As far as I've heard Action Picard was because Patrick Stewart was like "fuck it, if you want me in the movie do whatever crazy crap I want"

 

[YankeeTrader]

As far as I've heard Action Picard was because Patrick Stewart was like "fuck it, if you want me in the movie do whatever crazy crap I want"

I heard the dune buggy in Nemesis was because Spiner wanted to go off-roading and was part of the deal.

 

[XYZpdq]

I heard the dune buggy in Nemesis was because Spiner wanted to go off-roading and was part of the deal.

I believe it.

That scene threw George Takei into blue-arms rage because he was in the middle of trying to get things done against people going dune buggying through fragile desert ecosystems.

 

[Cynical]

Generations is a wholly forgettable movie. I'll at least watch the rest for the lulz, and I enjoy First Contact the most of all the TNG flicks.

Insurrection and Nemesis basically become the Picard and Data show, to unsurprising results. As Mike mentioned in one of the other reviews, Insurrection I think, that they kept trying to force Picard to be an action hero, and he never was on the TV show. It just never worked on screen. Not sure why they made Data key parts either. I feels you on the Riker pain. He was my favorite and fully underused in the movies.(fun fact: my first meeting of a Star Trek actor was Johnathan Frakes in 1990. Neat guy. Was going bald even then. Wife was hot)

Good luck on Enterprise. That's really all I can say

Of the TNG movies, only First Contact is rewatchable.

Generations felt like an extended TNG episode they badly tried to pad out into a movie. Insurrection was dull as hell, had a very dumb plot, and can be easily skipped. Nemesis is slightly better than Generations and Insurrection, but it's still pretty meh.

Also, apparently Spiner wanted to kill Data off by Insurrection because he was aging pretty bad and it would be hell to disguise that fact, but they wouldn't let him kill Data, so he basically demanded his own death in Nemesis before he agreed to be in it, but to appease the fans who didn't want Data to die (as in, so he could still show up in the novels set afterwards if they wanted to bring him back) forever, they wrote in an obvious out so anyone who wanted to revive him in any post-Nemesis novels could easily bring it off.

 

[GeorgeDaMoose]

I don't really get how Archer's decision to not give the Valakians the cure was horrible. I think back to Picard's desire to watch as the Boraalans die because "muh prime directive" in Homeward and I can't really see too much of difference in thinking between Archer and Picard. Except Archer didn't have a convenient big bad Russian boi Nikolai "Here, take all my problems Worf" Rozhenko to interfere and save the dying species. Also Homeward didn't end with a cringy line like "IF ONLY THERE WAS SOME DIRECTIVE TO HELP ME WITH THESE SITUATIONS, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRIME TIME TO MAKE A DIRECTIVE LIKE THAT *wink wink nudge nudge*"
Like holy FUCK Enterprise first you did that shit with "This engine will boldly take us where no man has gone before" shit and now you had to do it with the Prime Directive who the fuck writes these lines.
But really aside from that one line Dear Doctor wasn't horrible. I liked it a decent amount.

 

[YankeeTrader]

I don't really get how Archer's decision to not give the Valakians the cure was horrible. I think back to Picard's desire to watch as the Boraalans die because "muh prime directive" in Homeward and I can't really see too much of difference in thinking between Archer and Picard. Except Archer didn't have a convenient big bad Russian boi Nikolai "Here, take all my problems Worf" Rozhenko to interfere and save the dying species. Also Homeward didn't end with a cringy line like "IF ONLY THERE WAS SOME DIRECTIVE TO HELP ME WITH THESE SITUATIONS, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRIME TIME TO MAKE A DIRECTIVE LIKE THAT *wink wink nudge nudge*"
Like holy FUCK Enterprise first you did that shit with "This engine will boldly take us where no man has gone before" shit and now you had to do it with the Prime Directive who the fuck writes these lines.
But really aside from that one line Dear Doctor wasn't horrible. I liked it a decent amount.

I'm sorry, I could never see Worf's conveniently never mentioned again brother as anything but Paulie from Goodfellas.

 

[XYZpdq]

so anyone who wanted to revive him in any post-Nemesis novels could easily bring it off.

They did exactly that in the comics they did as a prequel to FlareTrek. Back in Prime Universe the body of B4 has been taken over by Data's consciousness because fuck B4.

 

[YankeeTrader]

They did exactly that in the comics they did as a prequel to FlareTrek. Back in Prime Universe the body of B4 has been taken over by Data's consciousness because fuck B4.

I cut Trek a wide berth when it comes to doing stupid stuff, but that's pretty shit of them. What happened to B4's consciousness?

 

[XYZpdq]

I cut Trek a wide berth when it comes to doing stupid stuff, but that's pretty shit of them. What happened to B4's consciousness?

I don't know.
They probably said something nice like "it integrated with Data's" or whatever.
The point is that tardbot's dead, real Data is large and in charge.

 

[GeorgeDaMoose]

I'm sorry, I could never see Worf's conveniently never mentioned again brother as anything but Paulie from Goodfellas.

Hey, that's just plain wrong! He was mentioned in Change of Heart in DS9. Worf talks about how he wanted to rip off all his clothes and go insane and mentioned his brother.

 

[YankeeTrader]

I don't know.
They probably said something nice like "it integrated with Data's" or whatever.
The point is that tardbot's dead, real Data is large and in charge.

That's just dumb. Books and comics can nearly infinitely sandwhich inside canon stories. No reason to wipe a decent character idea. Oh well. Nuts to them.

So to celebrate my recent passage around the sun for one whole year, some friends got together and got me the TOS Phaser remote from the Wand Company.

It's nice. Very nice. Goes well with the Bluetooth Communicator I have. I'm holding out for them to find some excuse to make a Tricorder, then I'll be set.

I'll also lay in wait for a fitbit like device in a Mobile Emitter. Although, I doubt that has any chance of happening.

Hey, that's just plain wrong! He was mentioned in Change of Heart in DS9. Worf talks about how he wanted to rip off all his clothes and go insane and mentioned his brother.

I'll have to go check it out, cause I don't remember that.

 

[XYZpdq]

Bluetooth Communicator

Neat. Looking online I see TOS and TNG ones.

 

[YankeeTrader]

Neat. Looking online I see TOS and TNG ones.

I have the TOS one. TNG hasn't been released yet.

 

[projecteddrama]

Nemesis isn't because it's a good film - it's actually quite a bad film, but it's the only TNG film that feels like... well, a film rather than an extended episode

It feels like an extended Voyager episode to me, or a proto Star Trek 09. The only one that doesn't totally feel like an episode to me is First Contact, the only good one IMO.

First Contact was disappointing. They kind of butchered Cochrane in my eyes, I liked the average joe dude he was in Metamorphosis. He was a good dude. Then he was a drunk, an asshole, and an obnoxious cunt.

I like that about FC. He wasn't some Chuck Yeager stereotype but a flawed greedy guy who created the Star Trek future.

I also like the Vulcans landing scene, especially since its in a shantytown. For reason, seems cooler than just receiving a radio signal from deep space or something like that.

Generations felt like an extended TNG episode they badly tried to pad out into a movie

It's because it was totally dictated by executives and Moore and Braga had to ship it out quickly, unlike say All Good Things where they were given creative freedom, or FC where they were given (some) freedom.

I don't really get how Archer's decision to not give the Valakians the cure was horrible.

It's beyond pseudo-science gibberish that's pro genocide. Not what one usually thinks of when they think Star Trek, though it's simply the nadir and accumulation of all the terrible Prime Directive episodes beforehand.



Also, apparently Spiner wanted to kill Data off by Insurrection because he was aging pretty bad and it would be hell to disguise that fact, but they wouldn't let him kill Data, so he basically demanded his own death in Nemesis before he agreed to be in it, but to appease the fans who didn't want Data to die (as in, so he could still show up in the novels set afterwards if they wanted to bring him back) forever, they wrote in an obvious out so anyone who wanted to revive him in any post-Nemesis novels could easily bring it off.

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Seriously? Because the Data death scene is an obvious rip off of Spocks death in Wrath of Khan. And they even planned a sequel to involve DS9 and Voyager that would have had Data return.

Fuck he's even on the god damned poster for Nemesis with Picard. Yeah, fuck the rest of the crew. What's a Riker? Worf who?

Tbf, it's because Picard and Data got most of the development on the show, Worf somewhat as well. The rest not really, because they weren't very interesting characters.

Harry S. Plinkett does some outstanding reviews on the TNG movies on youtube btw.

I tried watching them but his reviews are hopelessly boring, far more than the films he's reviewing.

Why did the Queen do patchwork job on Data's face instead of giving him all skin?

Well budget reasons. Its implying shes slowly patching him up but originally he was to have full skin. Its good make up affects and I like the scenes between the two.

I'm just gonna warn you now - the TNG films don't work anywhere near as well as the TOS films

Well, the only good TOS one is Wrath of Khan. It has two other okayish ones (III and VI) and the rest are terrible. TNG has FC and Generations (which is okayish IMO) and two terrible ones (Insurrection and Nemesis). And AbramsTrek is all awful. Trek works far better in TV format.

 

[XYZpdq]

I've seen people put some decent arguments for First Contact's version of Cochrane as a thing about Gene Roddenberry The Myth vs Gene Roddenberry The Reality.

 

[TheImportantFart]

I've seen people put some decent arguments for First Contact's version of Cochrane as a thing about Gene Roddenberry The Myth vs Gene Roddenberry The Reality.

The First Contact version of Cochrane was actually one of the things I actually thought that film did really well. It was a great way of doing the "never meet your heroes" angle, and I thought James Cromwell did a great job.

As for Gene, he's very much to Star Trek what George Lucas is to Star Wars. He can be thanked for the initial concept, but Star Trek's success is mostly down to other people. Almost none of the great Original Series episodes were written by him, if any, and TNG didn't come into its own until Michael Piller took over creative duties.

 

[Cynical]

The First Contact version of Cochrane was actually one of the things I actually thought that film did really well. It was a great way of doing the "never meet your heroes" angle, and I thought James Cromwell did a great job.

As for Gene, he's very much to Star Trek what George Lucas is to Star Wars. He can be thanked for the initial concept, but Star Trek's success is mostly down to other people. Almost none of the great Original Series episodes were written by him, if any, and TNG didn't come into its own until Michael Piller took over creative duties.

Spot on.

First Contact was the best of the movies for not only being pretty good as a horror movie (the Borg were very good villains), what they did with Zefram Cochrane was perfect because it showed him as a flawed human being who still did something incredible, but still human.

Roddenberry was a massive idealist, and as Nimoy mentioned more than once in "I Am Spock", it was to the series detriment at times, as Roddenberry was obsessed with painting a rosy picture of the future, which made for very boring TV, and so he had to have his idealism blunted nigh constantly to make it interesting.

 

[YankeeTrader]

I decided to binge a handful of Voyager episodes and damned if they didn't screw it up from the start.


Season 1 episode 1, 15m 14s.

A smiling happy Vulcan talking to a shipmate. Bravo!

 

[XYZpdq]

I decided to binge a handful of Voyager episodes and damned if they didn't screw it up from the start.


Season 1 episode 1, 15m 14s.

A smiling happy Vulcan talking to a shipmate. Bravo!

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It's not a party until somebody's drugged a vulcan.