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Uncommon opinion here, but I never care much for Q. I don't believe I have seen the DS9 episode with Q, though.
 
Asuka said:
DS9 wasn't my forte (incredibly boring show imo), but that scene was wonderful. It showed that the series could make fun of itself once in a while.
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Not sure if you finished the series, but if not let me assure you that once they stopped trying to be TNG they got much much better. DS9 grows into it's own thing by the middle of season 2.
 
The only thing to come out of DS9 that worked for me is that they made Worf into a badass warrior. It's funny, when he was security chief on TNG he got his ass kicked every episode.
 
Asuka said:
The only thing to come out of DS9 that worked for me is that they made Worf into a badass warrior. It's funny, when he was security chief on TNG he got his ass kicked every episode.
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Worf and Klingons in general didn't really come into their own until DS9. Shit, they even made the Ferengi a decently interesting race finally.

My favorite Worf DS9 moment:
 
So I'm a little confused. Am I "supposed" to be watching DS9 during Season 6? I've heard DS9 itself mentioned during Birthright and apparently a character from the station popped up on the Enterprise. I thought this was kind of odd so I looked up when DS9 was released and I read somewhere that apparently it started airing after Chain of Command Part II in TNG. Am I missing something by not watching it now?
Same question can be applied to Voyager. Started airing during DS9, would I be missing some sort of reference or character appearance by not watching them side by side?
 
Asuka said:
I wish Kirk went up against Q, I think he would have fared better against him than Picard. Both of them have incredibly egotistical attitudes.
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That's exactly why I don't think he would have done well against him. You can't brute force a character who can unmake you and everything you have. Picard's lack of egotism enabled him not to get excessively butthurt at a godling with the emotional maturity of a 3 year old fucking everything up.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
So I'm a little confused. Am I "supposed" to be watching DS9 during Season 6? I've heard DS9 itself mentioned during Birthright and apparently a character from the station popped up on the Enterprise. I thought this was kind of odd so I looked up when DS9 was released and I read somewhere that apparently it started airing after Chain of Command Part II in TNG. Am I missing something by not watching it now?
Same question can be applied to Voyager. Started airing during DS9, would I be missing some sort of reference or character appearance by not watching them side by side?
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As far as I know the stardates present in TOS and TNG are sort of fucked up in terms of production dates, which could lead to confusion on when exactly DS9 starts up in the TNG canon. The list generally used by Trekkies is here: http://thestartrekchronologyproject...and-now-we-present-complete-star-trek_19.html. Seems to me that DS9 starts somewhere after Chain of Command II. Voyager starts as a crossover episode with DS9 called "Caretaker", which is more obvious because the USS Voyager is leaving the space station. The final episode of Enterprise (another shitty series) takes place between TNG and DS9.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
So I'm a little confused. Am I "supposed" to be watching DS9 during Season 6? I've heard DS9 itself mentioned during Birthright and apparently a character from the station popped up on the Enterprise. I thought this was kind of odd so I looked up when DS9 was released and I read somewhere that apparently it started airing after Chain of Command Part II in TNG. Am I missing something by not watching it now?
Same question can be applied to Voyager. Started airing during DS9, would I be missing some sort of reference or character appearance by not watching them side by side?
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Just watch them separately. There may be a few very minor things you won't get (like when Bashir and Quark both appear or if the Dominion War is mentioned), but you don't need to watch them side by side and it shouldn't really have any affect on the remainder of TNG.
 
I started watching DS9 anyways because TNG was wearing me out a bit. First episode was really good. Expected it to take after Chain of Command, but instead they reeled it back to Best of Both Worlds from the view of Sisko. Was pretty great, got me feeling for Sisko right off the bat. Connected with Sisko faster than I did with Picard which was kind of surprising. Heard that Season 1 was slow, but 4 episodes in and I'm pretty into it. Cast is pretty interesting too. Got a shapeshifter, Trill, Ferengi, Bajoran. Lots of potential fun. I thought a Trek set on a space station would be pretty boring too, but surprisingly it's not that bad.
Also Chief O'Brien getting more spotlight is pretty great. I liked him a decent amount in TNG even though he never really got a chance to shine. Hopefully he does shine in DS9.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
I started watching DS9 anyways because TNG was wearing me out a bit. First episode was really good. Expected it to take after Chain of Command, but instead they reeled it back to Best of Both Worlds from the view of Sisko. Was pretty great, got me feeling for Sisko right off the bat. Connected with Sisko faster than I did with Picard which was kind of surprising. Heard that Season 1 was slow, but 4 episodes in and I'm pretty into it. Cast is pretty interesting too. Got a shapeshifter, Trill, Ferengi, Bajoran. Lots of potential fun. I thought a Trek set on a space station would be pretty boring too, but surprisingly it's not that bad.
Also Chief O'Brien getting more spotlight is pretty great. I liked him a decent amount in TNG even though he never really got a chance to shine. Hopefully he does shine in DS9.
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DS9 starts out a little rough, but gets real good. I enjoyed the relationship between Sisko and Jake, and pretty much all of the characters, even the secondary get fleshed out nicely. O'Brien is a great character. So is Nog, eventually.
 
Anybody excited for the new Star Trek series? It kind of sucks that it's apparently only going to be on CBS' digital streaming site. Guess ya just have to pirate it.
 
Asuka said:
Anybody excited for the new Star Trek series? It kind of sucks that it's apparently only going to be on CBS' digital streaming site. Guess ya just have to pirate it.
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I am cautiously excited. The guy in charge hasn't penned the greatest Trek stories to date, but at least I think he gets the concept of Trek better than Jar Jar Abrams.
 
I want to be excited but I'm not sure CBS streaming is available across the pond *sigh*
 
YankeeTrader said:
I am cautiously excited. The guy in charge hasn't penned the greatest Trek stories to date, but at least I think he gets the concept of Trek better than Jar Jar Abrams.
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This. His resume isn't an all-star list of episodes but there's some decent enough stuff in there.
 
They hand-picked enough quality people that I can at least assume that they care. Though it'll have to be good from episode one, considering each season will be self-contained and pretty short. Gone are the days when a TV show had three seasons to become good.

What will be extremely annoying is that certain people will be calling things that have been in Star Trek for decades (minority representation, high-ranking female officers, touching on racism/sexism/homophobia and such) "SJW bullshit".

YankeeTrader said:
If memory serves, it's going to be licensed for broadcast in other countries.
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Last I heard it'll be on Netflix outside of the US, but still on a weekly schedule.
 
I think TNG and DS9 are both good (DS9 is slightly better, but both are overall excellent), but the rest of the series are just mediocre. The other three series have good episodes and characters, but the shitty to good ratio in them leans on the shitty side, esp. Voyager and Enterprise. And even then, both TNG and DS9 don't get good until after their first two seasons of crap.

The movies largely are meh. I like Wrath of Khan and Star Trek: First Contact, and III, IV and VI are okay, but the rest of the NextGen movies suck, the first movie is coma inducing, V is unbelievable that they sat down, saw it and thought it should be released and the JJ Abrams trilogy is painfully stupid and boring. I think Trek works far better on TV.

As for the new series, I'm cautiously optimistic. Bryan Fuller, Joe Menosky and Nicholas Meyer all did good things in Trek before, and I'm hoping this means it won't be like the new Star Trek trilogy of Star Wars/Wrath of Khan knock off films.

What will be extremely annoying is that certain people will be calling things that have been in Star Trek for decades (minority representation, high-ranking female officers, touching on racism/sexism/homophobia and such) "SJW bullshit".
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I've already seen these types attack the franchise as "Sjw" communist propaganda, so I'd expect this to happen. Haven't these types called Rey in TFA a "mary sue"?

I saw some on the thread mentioning the Animated Series. AFAIK Roddenberry was heavily involved in the series, but looked back on it ten years later and decided it sucked (I believe his reasoning was that recognizing a kids cartoon being on the same level as the live action series would have made people take Trek less seriously) so it wasn't "canon" but after he died, the franchise would slip in references here and there, and then Enterprise "canonized" several elements with episodes centering around plots and areas in the Animated Series. The Kzinti cat aliens were even going to appear in Enterprise's cancelled fifth season (the guy behind the episode had pitched their return for TNG, Ds9 and Voyager until finally getting luck with Enterprise only for the series to be prematurely cancelled before he could do the episode).
 
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