Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Even as a full on Worf hater i would love to have seen a series with him and Martok. See the decline of the Klingon Empire thru the eyes of those who love it for everything it stands for. Martok wants to reform the empire to be more inclusive to all classes of klingons while still keeping all the traditions that make them Klingon. Worf wants to keep all the traditions but also is apart of the federation. It has the end goal of pacification and ultimately absorption of the empire into the federation. You have friendship formed in the hellfires of war that will be put to its' limits by two conflicting views of the future of their people.

It's frankly something that modern trek is fully incapable of tackling and hope they don't try.
Also, I would use a reverse Sengoku Jidai (the Dominion War would be an Onin war analogy) where eliminating the caste system actually causes a small civil war. A charismatic TOS-movie era Klingon works with the monastery on Boreth to raise an army of Sohei and the Great Houses want to suppress the rebellion, but their military strength is equal. From Martok and Worf's perspective, all a third war will do is collapse the empire even if the Great Houses win, so they have to figure out diplomatic solutions without looking like concessions.
 
Oh come on, the last episode of Discovery had nearly a full minute discussing Dead Imaginary Troony Trills new body. Before everything started exploding again.

Don't forget that it seemed to suggest Tilly will be trooning out this season.

It is interesting how they mishandle the optimistic future aspect of Trek. If they really were wanting to project a better future with this stuff, they'd just have trans, non-binary and whatever else without bringing notice to it. Instead of projecting it all still has a personal struggle to deal with 1000 years in the future.

Where Tilly will have to seek the wisdom of a wise gay man to get the courage to become non-binary. To which no character will give a shit about. So why the personal struggle? Is that implying issues with trans / non-binary peoples mental states? That it isn't just how society treats them? Doesn't that go against the current day woke narrative on this stuff?

To me, it suggests that part of the identity is the actual struggle.

It's all kind of odd. Having a non-binary character literally be a "they" as they're two people. Where there's now awkwardness when they are referred as "they." Is it both characters or the singular?

Then of course one of those is a trans man. So it's the non-binary and the trans dating. Yet it's all in the non-binaries head.

A trans man who isn't masculine at all. Perfecting their new male body by getting rid of a mole. When we're watching it in 4k seeing how bad their lumpy facial skin is under the make-up. Also juxtaposed with a masculine real man in the scene which highlights just how non-masculine the trans person is. Why not get a proper male body?

The way the scene is set up, literally everyone watching would be noticing and thinking this stuff.

It's actually a complete shit show how they're handling this stuff they seem intent on including in the show.
 
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It's actually a complete shit show how they're handling this stuff they seem intent on including in the show.
Congratulations, you have now put more thought into it than the writers.

I would have suggested that Adira should have an imaginary friend from her(fuck pronouns) trauma, but she then gets into a relationship with someone already on Discovery, maybe one of the bridge crew, maybe one of the women. And gee, there's nothing special there at all just a normal relationship and normal relationship crap and we learn more about 2 characters.

Admittedly, with her 2 gay dads we know almost nothing about their relationship other than they apparently have one.
 
Why is DISCO so f*cking cringe and retarded?

Star Wars was objectively pretty good at memes despite their despicable MCs.

Because STD is propaganda first and entertainment second...well maybe 5th or 6th judging on the writing. It also doesn't help that it's full of new writers whose only achievements are a few shitty tv pilots that were never picked up and those without even that. Add on to that fact they're writing for non Star Trek fans (you know the millions of fans who don't like Star Trek but who are going to just love this nu-Trek) and you got a recipie for the shitactular show dumped onto the entertainment scence that pretty much no one watches as far as I can tell.

Seriously where the fuck did they find these writers and whose OK'ing these scripts? Plus having like 100 different producers, each trying to make their mark means everything is a great big compromise.

It's garbage, pure garbage.
 
I always thought the Klingons were on the road to joining the federation within a century or so. Closer economic and cultural ties combined with the federation’s aggressive absorptionist policies, and eventually it would have folded into the federation. Might have been one final Klingon civil war though between an old traditionalist faction and a pro federation “modernist” faction.
The Klingons joining the Federation was literally one of the early implications of the end of Star Trek VI... But sadly they never followed through with it...
That doesn't really matter though, Gowron in TNG *never* would have trusted Picard as much as he did if ST:VI hadn't happened.

I don't even think that DS9 especially fucked it up when Worf killed Gowron in combat and then immediately named Martok as the new Chancellor. By all rights, Chancellor Martok probably should have at least considered having the Klingons join the Federation... Worf would have been an idiot to not at least *ask* Martok to do just that, and Martok had no good reason to say no.
Worf definitely also had Martok's ear at the time, seeing as how they were 'family' and Martok wouldn't have even been named chancellor in the first place if Worf hadn't literally given it to him after killing Gowron.

The logical conclusion to what should have happened after DS9 was indeed the Klingon Empire joining the Federation... But we got STP instead... FML
 
I don't think it would have happened immediately. But maybe by the end of the 25th century.

(BTW the novelverse had its problems but I liked the overall set up going into the Romulan supernova).
 
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Because STD is propaganda first and entertainment second...well maybe 5th or 6th judging on the writing. It also doesn't help that it's full of new writers whose only achievements are a few shitty tv pilots that were never picked up and those without even that. Add on to that fact they're writing for non Star Trek fans (you know the millions of fans who don't like Star Trek but who are going to just love this nu-Trek) and you got a recipie for the shitactular show dumped onto the entertainment scence that pretty much no one watches as far as I can tell.

Seriously where the fuck did they find these writers and whose OK'ing these scripts? Plus having like 100 different producers, each trying to make their mark means everything is a great big compromise.

It's garbage, pure garbage.
The sad thing is the first season wasn't so bad, at least not in the beginning. It had questionable moments, but most of its issues were lore and design based up until the last 3 or so episodes. Then it shit the bed and got worse and worse. It's like the opposite of how TNG started out terrible and got progressively better and better.





Speaking of TNG, has any body heard of the Transinium Challenge?


It's a very impressive (for the time) 1989 pusdo visual novel/point of click of TNG set between season 1 and 2.
 
The sad thing is the first season wasn't so bad, at least not in the beginning. It had questionable moments, but most of its issues were lore and design based up until the last 3 or so episodes. Then it shit the bed and got worse and worse. It's like the opposite of how TNG started out terrible and got progressively better and better.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JkG-j-x9wfo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JOPhZ0Pzsqs
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dVFEXSqHXI4

Speaking of TNG, has any body heard of the Transinium Challenge?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FQkhTgl2qvM
It's a very impressive (for the time) 1989 pusdo visual novel/point of click of TNG set between season 1 and 2.
Didn’t the series start with Trump Klingons and the main character literally starting a war because of “my feelings”?
 
Georgiou is an unlikable golem. They should have killed her off and not turned Lorca (basically the only decent character in S1) into a cartoon villain and killed him off.
Lorca held the 1st season together. His twist is legitimately the only good one of the entire series.
It was a great concept to have a mirror universe character marooned into the prime time and being undercover. Even better, I loved the idea of him secretly liking the federation, but resolute in his desire to return home and liberate his people. They tried in the most half ass manner to make him a trump bad guy or some shit, but he literally DID NOTHING WRONG. He lied about who he was, but its not like he overtly tried to fuck over the crew. His leadership saved their asses more then once, he gave good advice and once he got what he wanted he was willing to let everyone go peacefully at the end for fucks sake. But of course the ship he's on could destabilize the universe so we gotta blow it up and kill him... Sure sure.



There are so many better ways they could have played with his character. at the very least he should have survived and joined section 31 instead of that evil empress bitch.



Didn’t the series start with Trump Klingons and the main character literally starting a war because of “my feelings”?
Sad isnt it? To play devil's advocate, the Klingon were a bit more subtle then that I think, but towards the end there was a mirror universe line saying: "we will make the empire great again!" or some such.

I remember the main chick trying to start the war made more sense from a tactical standpoint. I think the Klingon's fired first anyway and her problem was she disobeyed a direct order in an attempt to get ahead of them.
 
Discovery would immediately improve if mikey was demoted to side character (or better yet they could kill her off) but we couldn't have that because she's perfect and special and right all the time and the most importantest person in the whole galaxy. I don't think many of the other characters are particularly interesting but maybe they could be if she wasn't hogging the spotlight all the time, bitch takes up more space than tilly!
 
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