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Was reading a dozen or so pages of this thread, all the talk about DS9 and TOS and stuff... Ahhhh, good stuff. Star Trek makes me feel so good. It would be great if there was a new-- Oh wait... Oh... The sadness is setting in again... I forgot for a bit that its not 1990-2005 anymore.

I hope @Mike Stoklasa makes another Trek vid. I dont care what about. I could listen to him say anything about Trek forever. Better than watching NuTrek.
 
Grand Wizard Wakka said:
Was reading a dozen or so pages of this thread, all the talk about DS9 and TOS and stuff... Ahhhh, good stuff. Star Trek makes me feel so good. It would be great if there was a new-- Oh wait... Oh... The sadness is setting in again... I forgot for a bit that its not 1990-2005 anymore.

I hope @Mike Stoklasa makes another Trek vid. I dont care what about. I could listen to him say anything about Trek forever. Better than watching NuTrek.
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It's coming. Jay is all tied up.
 
You cant really compare Farscape to anything else except maybe ToS.

It was done by a small team who just wanted to tell a certain story while fighting tooth and nail to keep the network bigwigs from interfering. And oh boy did they succeed. Farscape is amazing.

IMHO its one of the best sci-fi tv series ever made, with great story, amazing characters and pretty solid effects for the time. Hell I still watch it whole at least once a year.

ToS is kinda similar as its the vision of one man and he had to fight constant network interference and it was equally as great.

TNG and DS9 suffered a bit more from the network's busy hand and Voy was a disaster because of too many cooks and too many suits making a mess of both the story and characters.

STD and Picard are both a committee events with so many hands in the pot everything is muddled and when you toss in the woke-shit its no wonder they are both complete shit shows.
 
Clown College said:
Wait what you got a story for this or a link?
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There has been talk of it on Usenet for years. It happened right before the filming of Heart of Stone.
Gates McFadden just did a podcast with Nana Visitor. In it she talks about her kidnapping and rape. Someone followed her home and put a gun to her head. She ran, but they shot at her and captured her. They bound her and took her somewhere. She was raped all night and overheard them talk about where they were going to dump the body. In the morning they put the gun back to her head told her to take them back to her house. She said telling them was what gave her the most shame because her baby was at the house. They got to the house and bound her nanny and infant. They rummaged through her house and even played with her dogs. She said it wasn't the rape that gave her PTSD, it was the shame of bringing them into her home and her baby. Eventually the two men where caught and given multiple life sentences. She said it was the kidnapping more than anything that led to the long sentencing. All of this comes straight from Nana in the podcast. It's called InvestaGates.
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But apparently she confirmed it on Gates McFadden's podcast. I really, really don't want to listen to this.
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‎Show Gates McFadden Investigates: Who do you think you are?, Ep Episode 106: Nana Visitor Pt.1 - Jun 16, 2021
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‎Show Gates McFadden Investigates: Who do you think you are?, Ep Episode 107: Nana Visitor Pt.2 - Jun 23, 2021
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JamesFargo said:
Kind of funny: TOS is lauded for its after-school messages. But TNG fumbled them all. The one where Troi gets raped is especially bad.
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I was going to make a joke about, "The one? You have to narrow it down," but in retrospect I don't think she was raped as often as I thought. There was a forced pregnancy, a mind rape, some harassment and assault by Ferengi, she got stalked by Dinoworf when she turned into a frog, and whatever the Nosferatu did in Nemesis, but not that much actual rape.

Mike Stoklasa said:
It's coming. Jay is all tied up.
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Speaking of sexual assault....

Sweet and Savoury said:
ToS is kinda similar as its the vision of one man and he had to fight constant network interference and it was equally as great.
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I wouldn't discount the contributions of others. Not saying Roddenberry's undiluted vision would have been terrible like Star Wars but a lot of people were in the right place at the right time to make TOS happen. Art by committee can work in those rare instances when you have a really good committee.

Sweet and Savoury said:
TNG and DS9 suffered a bit more from the network's busy hand
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TNG and DS9 were were syndicated.
 
Standardized Profile said:
I wouldn't discount the contributions of others. Not saying Roddenberry's undiluted vision would have been terrible like Star Wars but a lot of people were in the right place at the right time to make TOS happen. Art by committee can work in those rare instances when you have a really good committee.
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Gene Coon is the best Gene, even if Errand of Mercy has a clunky Deus Ex Machina in it.
 
JamesFargo said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-NH1ZYKJDpE:17
You can find interviews with GotG's James Gunn stating that Farscape was an influence. So much so that Browder showed up in Vol. 2 as a Sovereign.

GotG is more digestable. You don't really know the shape of something until you probe its edges. That being said, there were times when I thought Farscape went too far. I have absolutely no sympathy for Stark and his struggles due to how cringey he is literally all the time. I both love and hate Chiana. (She is a completely narcissistic moron.) Having Scorpius join the crew was a mistake; the show keeps hoping he can pull it off as well as James Marsters.

Still, it remains essential viewing.
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Wait I didn't realized Browder had a cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2!! That's awesome
 
Mike Stoklasa said:
Rich Evans' favorite TNG episode is my favorite one.
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Hey, Rich, what's with the nurse fetish?

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JamesFargo said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-NH1ZYKJDpE:17
You can find interviews with GotG's James Gunn stating that Farscape was an influence. So much so that Browder showed up in Vol. 2 as a Sovereign.

GotG is more digestable. You don't really know the shape of something until you probe its edges. That being said, there were times when I thought Farscape went too far. I have absolutely no sympathy for Stark and his struggles due to how cringey he is literally all the time. I both love and hate Chiana. (She is a completely narcissistic moron.) Having Scorpius join the crew was a mistake; the show keeps hoping he can pull it off as well as James Marsters.

Still, it remains essential viewing.
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I've never seen Farscape, but I'm never forgiving Ben Browder and Claudia Black for the last two seasons of SG-1. Fuck that noise.
Shamash said:
Yep. Dukat wants Kira to fall into his arms and shout “I was so wrong to hate you, you really are the best thing since the prophets first spoke to my people”

He needs that validation, unlike Garak who doesn’t have an ego or Weyoun who acts out of devotion to the founders, dukat has an emotional need to be acknowledged, validated, and supported.
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He wants to win totally by converting his enemies into followers, but vastly overestimates his capacity to do so.

"Waltz" is still a vastly inferior episode to "Duet," though.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
I've never seen Farscape, but I'm never forgiving Ben Browder and Claudia Black for the last two seasons of SG-1.
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10 seasons is a long time to keep a full cast. Vala and Mitchell were fine additions. Shanks said those were his favorite scenes from the last years. (When he came back in season 7, he was apparently given a pay bump.)

We all know I'd smash Carter in a second, but Vala comes first.❤️

 
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GLUE SNIFFER 9000 said:
He did, there was that episode where Kira, Odo, and Garak get sent back in time to the occupation and it's shown that Kira's mother was one of Dukat's concubines.
If we're on the topic of Mothers, I think I'm one of the very few people who actually liked the episodes where Lwaxana Troi shows up.
I loved that she always able to get under the skin of the usually stoic Piccard. Not all of her episodes are winners, but it's always fun seeing personal drama thrown into a 'Monster of the Week' series.
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Yes but you are confusing 2 episodes.

Episode where Garak, Kira, Odo etc get sent back?

Star Trek (DS9): Things Past

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Episode where KIRA ONLY goes back and finds her mother getting that Dukat dick?

Star Trek (DS9): Wrongs Darker than Death or Night

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JamesFargo said:
10 seasons is a long time to keep a full cast. Vala and Mitchell were fine additions. Shanks said those were his favorite scenes from the last years. (When he came back in season 7, he was apparently given a pay bump.)

We all know I would smash Carter in a second, but Vala comes first.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jASEJnEV0Gk
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I didn't mind the addition of Mitchell and Vala. They were both characters I was able to warm up with quickly
 
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JamesFargo said:
GotG is more digestable. You don't really know the shape of something until you probe its edges. That being said, there were times when I thought Farscape went too far. I have absolutely no sympathy for Stark and his struggles due to how cringey he is literally all the time. I both love and hate Chiana. (She is a completely narcissistic moron.) Having Scorpius join the crew was a mistake; the show keeps hoping he can pull it off as well as James Marsters.
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I LOVED Farscape seasons 2 and 3.

I could not get through season 4. I'd like to, but it is just a rough start. (And yeah, I could never tell what they wanted to do with Stark.)
 
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