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Both Kamala Khan and Spider-Gwen had early beginnings that I liked a lot... but then quickly went to shit.

Speaking of early beginnings I've wanted to get into Ghost Rider for a while so I decided to finally do that. I started at Johnny Blaze's earliest stuff and it's... not great. He has little personality and no real reason for being heroic. Someone clearly just had a cool visual idea for a character (in this case a motorcyclist with a flaming skull for a head) and worked backwards to set it up.

I know it eventually gets expanded and retconned and all that shit, but at this point in time Blaze's origin is as follows:
Johnny Blaze finds out his foster father has cancer. Instead of finding an expensive doctor, trying alternate medicine or even spiritual healing or anything like that, Johnny instantly decides to sell his soul to the devil. There's no real set up for Johnny being interested in the occult or knowing how to do this, he just suddenly decides its the best course of action and does it. The best part is that the devil fulfills the deal by having the foster father immediately die of something other than cancer, instead of curing it.

I might continue with it to see if it gets better but it's low in my reading priority right now. I know Howard Mackie (in a surprising bout of competency) writes a saga in the '90s that's considered good but before that Ghost Rider has a 80ish issue series spanning the 70s and 80s.
 
Czargon the Red said:
Kamala is just some white woman trying to write a Mary Sue muslim heroine.
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Well, she's a pair of western muslim fake geek girls con job/propaganda piece. I say Western because they aren't like any actual muslim women I've ever known.
Czargon the Red said:
Now, I ask, where is the Burqa. But seriously, they have her visit Pakistan and whatnot and there's no conflict of cultures?
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It's honestly got great potential with that. But then you have to, y'know, acknowledge what 90% of muslims are actually like.
Czargon the Red said:
I can stomach worse mechanical writing if they understand how comics work. You "could" get me to pop like 5 bucks for a used paperback of one of Bendis' things. You couldn't pay me to buy any of Tamaki's crap.
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Well, Wondy is better than anything he's putting out. Not a compliment.

I think Mariko could actually improve and no one will notice because of shit like Starfire's Daughter.
Czargon the Red said:
I think they should lean into Carol being someone like Amanda Waller or Nick Fury who "could" be a more heroic figure, but ultimately really isn't that much of one.
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Maybe. But she had that great character originally. She was that person. She was a spy, she had an epic star spanning romance with Mar-vell that the Twilight crowd they want would love. She's such a rich, deep character and they have so thoroughly fucked her up at every medium.

Have you read the Illuminated Web series? It's sooo good. He condenses allot of my criticism of everything I wanted Captain Carol to be and wasn't.
Czargon the Red said:
I'm still incredibly salty that DC hasn't revived the JSA proper.
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Not me. Alan Scott gay, characters getting race swapped, and whole legacies undermined or erased. Take it from a LOSH fan. There are worst things than closing down an IP for awhile. Lighting Lad is lost.

Jetpack Himmler said:
I heard rumors that Robert Vendetti is going to pen a JSA series and I feel that he's a criminally underrated writer.
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I have too. Originally it was Scott Snyder, but I think he's moving off monthlies. Rob's frustrating. His GL run wasn't terrible but it ranged from bad to okay. X-O starts off amazing, though decompressed, before kindof trailing off. He may be DC's dark horse in that he's never put out anything consistently terrible and mediocre. There's almost always a little good in there. He just needs to get tighter in his plotting and more consistent.
 
jspit2.0 said:
Well, she's a pair of western muslim fake geek girls con job/propaganda piece. I say Western because they aren't like any actual muslim women I've ever known.
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yeah this is like writing a white chick with some sheltered white chick's idea of how muslim culture works.

mind you, i do think that Kamala's had decent moments. Like when her dad was discovered to have cancer iirc and her family told her they knew she was a costumed hero.
Shit like that is sweet, but the problem is that the writers don't really want to show these new teen heroes as flawed and vulnerable. They're forgetting what made Spidey or The Teen Titans or even fucking Billy Batson (and family) so marketable to kids. You don't have to pander or turn things into a Mary Sue. Hell, the OG LOSH was almost all teens too come to think of it.

What is it with modern writers and fucking up teens and YA age heroes? The only good books with young heroes in recent memory are the Super-Sons books and the current Miles Morales book.
jspit2.0 said:
It's honestly got great potential with that. But then you have to, y'know, acknowledge what 90% of muslims are actually like.
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i'm still salty that her supposed muslim scholar neet older brother is just a wuss.
jspit2.0 said:
Well, Wondy is better than anything he's putting out. Not a compliment.
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I've read the recent wondy book and i like the idea of max lord trying to sort of redeem himself. i even like his daughter becoming a schizo villain.

i just think tamaki isn't the best person to weave this story.
jspit2.0 said:
I think Mariko could actually improve and no one will notice because of shit like Starfire's Daughter.
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Yes, because Starfire's Daughter was such a laughable shitshow.


jspit2.0 said:
Maybe. But she had that great character originally. She was that person. She was a spy, she had an epic star spanning romance with Mar-vell that the Twilight crowd they want would love. She's such a rich, deep character and they have so thoroughly fucked her up at every medium.
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i think the problem stems with the fact that carol was a pseudo-feminist-ish character and we all know that the laziest thing you can do to those is to Mary Sue them in the 2010s to prove some point about owning the cishets of the mid 20th century, right?


jspit2.0 said:
Have you read the Illuminated Web series? It's sooo good. He condenses allot of my criticism of everything I wanted Captain Carol to be and wasn't.
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i haven't.

might check it out.
jspit2.0 said:
Not me. Alan Scott gay, characters getting race swapped, and whole legacies undermined or erased. Take it from a LOSH fan. There are worst things than closing down an IP for awhile. Lighting Lad is lost.
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I swear to fuck isn't the whole Alan Scott being gay thing in the non-mainline stuff and they've just sort of tried to make him bisexual but then 2020 fucked things up?

LOSH is weird bc I don't know what the fuck they've done this time. I just like the funky new dr. fate and darkseid revival. What did they specifically do this time? Like, the series has actually delved into some "progressive" stuff back in the day like Svaughn Erin's revelations of taking a sex change drug, as well as the Chameleon Girl stuff.

If anything, a competent writer with a sense of love for the stuff should be able to turn it into a solid property. They had a LOSH cartoon in our generation's time?
jspit2.0 said:
I have too. Originally it was Scott Snyder, but I think he's moving off monthlies. Rob's frustrating. His GL run wasn't terrible but it ranged from bad to okay. X-O starts off amazing, though decompressed, before kindof trailing off. He may be DC's dark horse in that he's never put out anything consistently terrible and mediocre. There's almost always a little good in there. He just needs to get tighter in his plotting and more consistent.
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yeah i think he's probably something i'd like to see, but i just have this incredible amount of salt at how apparently right before the new 52 happened, there was a massive buildup of plot and whatnot for the JSA and JLA books that James Robinson was working on and then he had to compress a ton of it all at once as exposition type horseshit.

Robinson's generally a fun writer, but he really shines with legacies.
 
James Robinson is a wellspring of autism for Golden Age and Silver Age comics that when channeled properly leads to fantastic works like Starman, JSA, and his The Golden Age mini. When not tapping into that autism, though, we instead get drek like Cry for Justice.
 
Czargon the Red said:
what even was the point of cry for justice.
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I think it was meant to give Robinson his own Justice League title, featuring a more gritty grimdark pro-active strike force type of Justice League, but someone at DC had the sense to realize how awful it was and downgraded it into a mini.

Incidentally, they tried something similar in the '90s with Justice League Task Force and Christoper Priest likewise saw how stupid the idea was and basically sabotaged the book.
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The basic premise was, the JLA was supposed to send the Task Force on missions. Surgical strike missions, recon missions, clean-up missions, follow-up, police action- you get the idea. Thing is: the JLA never sent them anywhere. The Task Force was not even mentioned in the JLA during the entirety of my run. My joke with Ruben was, "Until the JLA send them on a mission, they won't be going on any missions."

And they didn't. JUSTICE LEAGUE TASK FORCE was a book where absolutely nothing happened. Oh, they trained, and the certainly had adventures, but menaces and villains (like Vandal Savage) surely sought them out. There was never an issue where thy met with J'Onn and J'Onn said, "Ok, we got a mission from the League. Saddle up."
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Tor Lugosi said:
I think it was meant to give Robinson his own Justice League title, featuring a more gritty grimdark pro-active strike force type of Justice League, but someone at DC had the sense to realize how awful it was and downgraded it into a mini.

Incidentally, they tried something similar in the '90s with Justice League Task Force and Christoper Priest likewise saw how stupid the idea was and basically sabotaged the book.
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wasn't that the book that ended with Triumph almost getting some sense of personal redemption, then getting fucked anyways.
 
I liked the version of Triumph from that Elseworlds JSA title, douche hulk with bling. Mongul twisting his head off was well drawn.
 
I caught up with Immortal Hulk. The current arc about the Leader infiltrating the Hulks life - literally - is weird and creepy and honestly interesting. Ewing can actually do a decent job when he sticks to the horror stories and tones down the "capitalism bad, media bad, humans bad, m'kay" rhetoric. In fact there was such a rapid flip-flopping of the status quo after the minotaur capitalist arc Bull market, get it? Ho ho. that it's almost like a soft reboot. Half a soft reboot. It's as if someone at Marvel told him to knock it off, if anyone left at Marvel had the balls for it.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
James Robinson is a wellspring of autism for Golden Age and Silver Age comics that when channeled properly leads to fantastic works like Starman, JSA, and his The Golden Age mini. When not tapping into that autism, though, we instead get drek like Cry for Justice.
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The only good thing to come out of it was the Starman* and Congorilla one-shot that spun out of Gay For Justice.

*the bisexual blue alien that was based on Ziggy era Bowie, not the other Starmen.
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
I'm an idiot, it was JLA

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nice.
Water-T said:
The only good thing to come out of it was the Starman* and Congorilla one-shot that spun out of Gay For Justice.

*the bisexual blue alien that was based on Ziggy era Bowie, not the other Starmen.
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i love Congo Bill and Mikel.

its a shame the new 52 happened because i really wish james robinson got to write all the stories about congorilla the JLA hero that he wanted.
 
Admiral Mantoid said:
Surely RWBY will save DC...
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jspit2.0 said:
That's truly the future. Having ruined a century old legacy and American iconoclast, they now move to destroy Japanese icons.
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More like showing that America still can't be assed to grasp anime and manga as its own style and soul as sequential art.

Admiral Mantoid said:
Not DC-related, but didn't Marvel once have a really gay crossover with Attack on Titan? I figure its only a matter of time before DC and more Marvel comics try to do the same in an attempt to cash in on the fortune and popularity that weeb shit has been siphoning from them. The only reason they probably went for RWBY is because its already owned by WB (so less licensing and fees to deal with) and they can milk it indefinitely if this shitty crossover goes well, which it won't.
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Remember when Marvel did the Marvel Mangaverse?

jspit2.0 said:
It was created by Monty Oum, a Japanese American. I'm not defending it. I consider RWBY as apart of the Avatar trend of Americans wanting weeb monies.
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As someone who was interested in how RWBY came to be, Monty was passionate about it, and moreso in a passion project way, while being inspired by Avatar was mainly by the writers, Monty not being one of them. As an anime fan from back during the 1990s and 2000s wave of anime, my disapproval still runs high over a lot of the amerime being pumped out, because barely any of it understood what made anime so well liked outside of it being merely coming from Japan. Like, there was the 1996 Comics Crash and the Dark Age of Comics pointing out what was wrong with comics and even the superhero narrative, then that allowed anime and manga to proliferate outwest, and you'd think there would be study over this, but no.

Newman's Lovechild said:
In that spirit, I'm not too worried about DC eating up their MacSashimi, as long as their reach doesn't extend to the actual japanese icons.
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I agree. Good luck with trying to cockblock the US end of anime fandom, DC and WB.
 
I've previously written on her about Robbie Liefeld and his attempt to fix his legacy recounting of his great career.

Rob has done a number of podcasts. One of the most recent was a glorious repository of 'I'm not mad bro' salt. Changing guard. Rob talks some shit on Wildstorm under DC, ignoring that it ran under DC for over a decade. He ignores that the reboot he's talking about occurred over five years later and Grant Morrison dropped the ball.

Rob seems to have it out for Jim Lee and Dan Didio. Likely this is due to his cringe Twitter sperging against Scott Snyder, himself just as cringe. Dan and Jim took Scott's side. Rob had previously talked trash on Dan during the Nu52, Jim during Heroes Reborn. He's also cheered at Dan's firing on Twitter. Despite this, or maybe because of it, I can't recommend some of these enough. It's fascinating to hear Rob Liefeld attempt to rewrite history.

It is Rob who lost two thirds of his company without becoming a millionaire executive. It is Rob who wasted decades and whose biggest credit is a character he barely worked on and that is only popular thanks to others. It was Rob who despite all his talk of eyeballs couldn't sell books during Nu52, which I hated but I mean come the fuck on...

Currently Rob has wrapped up his run on Snakeyes with issue four. Unlike allot of project he managed to draw at least three issues! From there he will move onto Archie Comics. I know, right? I think Rob Liefeld and I think Archie and Veronica.... :roll:

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jspit2.0 said:
I've previously written on her about Robbie Liefeld and his attempt to fix his legacy recounting of his great career.

Rob has done a number of podcasts. One of the most recent was a glorious repository of 'I'm not mad bro' salt. Changing guard. Rob talks some shit on Wildstorm under DC, ignoring that it ran under DC for over a decade. He ignores that the reboot he's talking about occurred over five years later and Grant Morrison dropped the ball.

Rob seems to have it out for Jim Lee and Dan Didio. Likely this is due to his cringe Twitter sperging against Scott Snyder, himself just as cringe. Dan and Jim took Scott's side. Rob had previously talked trash on Dan during the Nu52, Jim during Heroes Reborn. He's also cheered at Dan's firing on Twitter. Despite this, or maybe because of it, I can't recommend some of these enough. It's fascinating to hear Rob Liefeld attempt to rewrite history.

It is Rob who lost two thirds of his company without becoming a millionaire executive. It is Rob who wasted decades and whose biggest credit is a character he barely worked on and that is only popular thanks to others. It was Rob who despite all his talk of eyeballs couldn't sell books during Nu52, which I hated but I mean come the fuck on...

Currently Rob has wrapped up his run on Snakeyes with issue four. Unlike allot of project he managed to draw at least three issues! From there he will move onto Archie Comics. I know, right? I think Rob Liefeld and I think Archie and Veronica.... :roll:

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deadpool's famous but rob's just kind of the guy who went in far over his head.
 
Czargon the Red said:
deadpool's famous but rob's just kind of the guy who went in far over his head.
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Rob created the look but the funny fourth wall breaking and humor came later on with much better writers. I tried to listen to his recent podcasts on the matter and noped out quickly.
His podcast actually had given me temporary Rob Liefeld derangement syndrome. Not on Linkara level, but bad for a good 24 hours.

I was doing good financially during the heydey of Image and I had blindly bought most of their product for the first four months, by the next year I only picked up Spawn and had gone back to Marvel.
 
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