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Ironically, Rob Liefeld's Robservation has several episodes of him oozing over George Perez and John Byrne in the 70s and 80s followed by him fanboying over DKR and Watchmen.

I'll write something about his more recent one later, as it's peak Liefeld and deserves some discussion. But in the meantime, there are dozens of channels. The issue is comics are so narrow that any discussion channel won't stay on just one narrow topic for long.

But why don't you have some fun? What's your favorite 80s marvel cheese run recommend and why?
Nothing better than Power Pack's first few years. They were engaging and wholesome enough without being too squeaky clean.

Fun appearances from Thor supporting characters, being kidnapped by the Snarks felt genuinely dangerous for the kids, and Franklin Richards wasn't wrecked yet. They wrote him age appropriate and relatable, Katie being a real bitch to him felt realistic and not forced.

And the Secret Wars II tie ins weren't prohibitively unnecessary, they enhanced the story without being wasteful money grabs.
The very 80s styled Beyonder is hilariously dated now. It was all fun.
 
Uh, fan favorite? Jinny Hex and that dumb donut OC that hacked the Oa power battery with a laptop?

No.
I was thinking more about Robin, Superboy, Impulse and Wonder Girl as fan favorites, but yeah they definitely shoehorned in some unecessary characters. The whole book should have just been that core 4 imo.

Unrelated, but Amazing Spider-Man is alright this week. It reads like mostly fallout for Last Remains which is fine by me, especially since the first thing Pete does is go to Liz and see what's up with Harry. Feels a lot like Spencer's showing us the things people are asking about and covering his bases, which is good. Hopefully it's not just a case of "harry went nuts and turned into a demon". I really want it to be something more than that.
 
Issue 12 of LOSH dropped this week. While it doesn't announce itself as the final issue, it feels as rushed as a series that was told there was cancelled and has to wrap up its story all in one issue.

There was so many characters coming and going with little to no explanation - just a string of things happening to move the plot to the end. It ends with no next issue solitican, but with a note about "To be continued in Future State", which echos a lot of previous instances of a cancelled comic tying up loose ends in another comic or crossover event.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Now get Giffen or Johns or even Waid (His Threeboot was 100x better than this shitpile) to relaunch the book and never ever let Bendis go near the Legion ever again.
Thank Odin. Bendis' Legion was extremely painful for me to read because the first comics I ever read were my mom's old Adventure Comics from the sixties that while extremely hokey, were a far more engaging read. It comes down to Bendis' fatal flaw as a writer: the man uses excess dialogue and plagiarizes from other creators to cover his paper-thin plots. His LOSH was particularly bad because it introduced every single Legionnaire from 1958 to 1980 (as well as a half-dozen of his creations) and gave them largely-interchangeable personalities with nonsensical plots. I cared nothing about what he was doing with President Brande, General Nah, or Superboy's great "destiny." Contrast with the post-Zero Hour reboot where Waid/McCraw/Peyer/Stern gradually reintroduced the characters while balancing several subplots. Hell, XS and Gates are two of my favorite Legionnaires of all time.

What really irks me is that that DC appeared emphasize that this Legion was the only one that matters continuity-wise. Now that "everything" matters post-Death Metal and that all of the characters remember everything that happened in DC continuity, does that mean all of the Legions matter too. I mean, there could be several divergent timelines that intersect with the main DC timeline ala Hypertime so Clark had the Original/Retroboot Legion, Conner had the post-Zero Hour Legion, Kara had Threeboot, and Jon could have the shitty Bendis Legion. Given how future is fluid, I saw DC's attempts to consolidate their future timelines as folly. (Though I'm all for giving a Jon a kryptonite bullet to the head because Bendis fucked him up beyond recognition.)

A writer like Jonathan Hickman could have done wonders for the Legion because he can deal with heady concepts like alternate timelines and the multiverse. Bends is a washed-up hack who wasn't worth the exorbitant page rate DC paid him. Unfortunately, with DC's current woes, I believe that he effectively killed the Legion for good.
 
Nothing better than Power Pack's first few years. They were engaging and wholesome enough without being too squeaky clean.
When I started reading the mutant books I remember they had a really cool guest appearance in X-Factor during the "Ship smashes up New York" storyline. Louise Simonson was great at writing fun interactions between the kids and established adult characters.
 
The Pitt isn't a run, but I remember thinking the idea of a giant space of city, earth, atmosphere and everything within just ceasing to exist being terrifying. A 50 mile wide sphere of reality shifted away instantly, and the near apocalyptic reaction of the air rushing into the sudden void, the lake of debris and mutagenic fluids at the bottom. I know New Universe wasn't great, but it was interesting. I long for newuniversal to be continued someday, impossible or not.
With Ellis be canceled I think it's unlikely. Worse, he 'lost' the scripts for that series.

As to the original? I dunno. I thought Starbrand was really good. Jim Shooter and Johnny Romita.

Nothing better than Power Pack's first few years. They were engaging and wholesome enough without being too squeaky clean.

Fun appearances from Thor supporting characters, being kidnapped by the Snarks felt genuinely dangerous for the kids, and Franklin Richards wasn't wrecked yet. They wrote him age appropriate and relatable, Katie being a real bitch to him felt realistic and not forced.

And the Secret Wars II tie ins weren't prohibitively unnecessary, they enhanced the story without being wasteful money grabs.
The very 80s styled Beyonder is hilariously dated now. It was all fun.

Huh. I read some of the power pack stuff a long time ago. Weezy and was it June somethin'?

I was thinking more about Robin, Superboy, Impulse and Wonder Girl as fan favorites, but yeah they definitely shoehorned in some unecessary characters. The whole book should have just been that core 4 imo.

Yeah. It's a 90s nostalgia book and its being marketed to kids. neither of those groups were catered to by those new characters.

Thank Odin. Bendis' Legion was extremely painful for me to read because the first comics I ever read were my mom's old Adventure Comics from the sixties that while extremely hokey, were a far more engaging read. It comes down to Bendis' fatal flaw as a writer: the man uses excess dialogue and plagiarizes from other creators to cover his paper-thin plots. His LOSH was particularly bad because it introduced every single Legionnaire from 1958 to 1980 (as well as a half-dozen of his creations) and gave them largely-interchangeable personalities with nonsensical plots. I cared nothing about what he was doing with President Brande, General Nah, or Superboy's great "destiny." Contrast with the post-Zero Hour reboot where Waid/McCraw/Peyer/Stern gradually reintroduced the characters while balancing several subplots. Hell, XS and Gates are two of my favorite Legionnaires of all time.
The bug communist. Gates was something else.
What really irks me is that that DC appeared emphasize that this Legion was the only one that matters continuity-wise. Now that "everything" matters post-Death Metal and that all of the characters remember everything that happened in DC continuity, does that mean all of the Legions matter too. I mean, there could be several divergent timelines that intersect with the main DC timeline ala Hypertime so Clark had the Original/Retroboot Legion, Conner had the post-Zero Hour Legion, Kara had Threeboot, and Jon could have the shitty Bendis Legion. Given how future is fluid, I saw DC's attempts to consolidate their future timelines as folly. (Though I'm all for giving a Jon a kryptonite bullet to the head because Bendis fucked him up beyond recognition.)
I'm all for nuking everything after 2011, even the good stuff. It can be redone from scratch at this point.

When I started reading the mutant books I remember they had a really cool guest appearance in X-Factor during the "Ship smashes up New York" storyline. Louise Simonson was great at writing fun interactions between the kids and established adult characters.

Weezy deserves more credit than she gets for Marvel's success.
 
Weezy deserves more credit than she gets for Marvel's success.
I love the stories of when Chris Claremont and John Byrne were feuding. Byrne's editor was too scared of him to stop him from putting digs at Claremont into the background of his Fantastic Four run, whereas Simonson had no qualms about telling Claremont to stop being a child and just tell the goddam story.
 
I love the stories of when Chris Claremont and John Byrne were feuding. Byrne's editor was too scared of him to stop him from putting digs at Claremont into the background of his Fantastic Four run, whereas Simonson had no qualms about telling Claremont to stop being a child and just tell the goddam story.
And Claremont was every bit as thin skinned. At the end of the day. Comic book talent are like bitches. They need someone to tell em to knock it off.
 
The Pitt isn't a run, but I remember thinking the idea of a giant space of city, earth, atmosphere and everything within just ceasing to exist being terrifying. A 50 mile wide sphere of reality shifted away instantly, and the near apocalyptic reaction of the air rushing into the sudden void, the lake of debris and mutagenic fluids at the bottom. I know New Universe wasn't great, but it was interesting. I long for newuniversal to be continued someday, impossible or not.
New Universe was more hit than miss, but DP7, Psi-Force, Star Brand, & Justice were fun while they lasted. Marvel and Jim Shotter fucked it up before it started by rushing the whole thing and then being cheap bastards by dumping the top tier talent they had lined up beforehand just to save some cash. The editors could not keep their shit together, which resulted in books like Justice plain ignoring the "no aliens or magical worlds" decree until halfway through the book, and then changed course by declaring that Tensen was in an induced mental illusion and not really from some magic dimension. Ditto for Star Brand, which pivoted from "the SB was gifted by an alien" into "self-fulfilling time loop fuckery".

At least Hickman (may Allah praise his goats) had started introducing Starbrand, Nightmask, and modern takes on various other NU characters into the 616 canon.
 
which on gerry conway or ross andreu? and iircc one or poisssbly both of them where libs when the punisher was created....and i mean old school libertarian libs like the writers of mad magazine (rip) john carpenter or steven king before the tds and he went full lib tard. they knew the right was full of idiots who blindly followed a indiotic philopshy but so was the left so really they just took shade at both and tried to strike a happy medium in between.


Honestly that's probably what i miss most in comics from like the 60's to the 90's maybe the pre second term bush era 2000's. You had some people like stan lee and Steve ditko who despite being on very different end of the political spectrum, were mostly able to put their ideals either aside or only moderately push them in their work (putting aside the almost cowlike behavior ditko did while he worked at marvel but again may he rip) like in everything else creators put the stories first then the characters than maybe they'd put a little of themselves or what they belived in. Nowadys its just "LOOK AT ME! SEE HOW VIRTOUIS AND GOOD I AM! I MADE THIS CHARACTER LGBTQXYZ EVEN THOUGHT THE ORIGINAL CREATORS NEVER INTEDENDED FOR IT! ISN'T THAT SO MUCH BETTER AND MORE FORWARD THINKING THAN THOSE OLD RASISCTS FROM THE 50S!?


sorry, but it does say "sperg" about comics here.
honestly, the virtue signalling crap always gets me pissed. it's pretty much killed the possibility of a long lasting and genuine Carol Danvers Captain Marvel fanbase, or an Ironheart one. At least, while Kamala Khan is sort of mary sue'd, she's not toxic. I do think that she's shilled too much though, for a relatively new hero.

Not just that, there was all this build up with Jinny Hex's box and the green lantern power battery hijacking (did anything ever really come out of Teen Lantern besides setup?). It really felt like Bendis had plans for this run to go twice as long as it ended up going, and ended up getting it cut shorter than he signed on for. Apparently DC didn't want a fun book that focuses on fan favorite characters. Instead they'd rather push more Dark Nights shit down our throats for almost a fucking year.
The Jinny Hex box was fun as a concept. The Teen Lantern thing is something that Bendis should have been able to save for later.

honestly the dark nights shit could have easily been relegated to backup stories or sth. covid has everything spotty in terms of release.
Yeah, this has always been the classic Bendis quality arc. Great hook, great beginning, he can never stick the landing. Even legendary dogs like Secret War and Civil War II had pretty good first issues.
oh boy, this is true.

remember when we thought the leaked death in civil war 2 was gonna potentially be johnny storm? because i recall that being the big speculation.

anyways, Rhodey made sense from a writing standpoint but I think marvel overestimates the actual popularity of the MCU centric capes like war machine, falcon, and whatnot that they kinda wound up pushing until Disney bought fox lol.
I feel like an underrepresented DC villain is Onomatopoeia.

Also, Connor Hawke got put in the hospital a lot.
Oh man we never did get the conclusion to that Onomatopoeia story did we? The one where he showed up as some dude named Baphomet?

Conner got hospitalized a ton and then coma'd and amnesia'd. I like him but it feels like they kinda didn't know what to do with connor and ollie in the year or two before the New 52. The whole cry for justice sperging and resulting horseshit kinda fucked up the Green Arrow book at the time.
I was thinking more about Robin, Superboy, Impulse and Wonder Girl as fan favorites, but yeah they definitely shoehorned in some unecessary characters. The whole book should have just been that core 4 imo.

Unrelated, but Amazing Spider-Man is alright this week. It reads like mostly fallout for Last Remains which is fine by me, especially since the first thing Pete does is go to Liz and see what's up with Harry. Feels a lot like Spencer's showing us the things people are asking about and covering his bases, which is good. Hopefully it's not just a case of "harry went nuts and turned into a demon". I really want it to be something more than that.
Amethyst was also there but I'm not sure if she's a fan-fave or a "fan"-fave. Her background's good for potential stories tbh.

Spidey has been nailing it these days, The Knull event has been pure fun and reminds me of what comics should just be. (I like the concept of Dark Nights but man it's just fatigued after a certain point, plus they didn't do too much with the whole "Infected" plotline other than make some characters edgey and create fake tension. It's all full of fun concepts that didn't mesh well together and would have worked with a far better writer+editor or sth.

no really, Infected Jim Gordon had so much potential but they didn't use it. Infected Jaime Reyes, Shazam, Donna Troy, Supergirl. All fun concepts to follow up on. Infected Hawkman was explored a little but honestly without the existence of the JSA or the Hawkman-Atom friendship or Hawkman-GA rivalry, it sort of just wasn't up to par with what they would have done preN52.

I enjoy the concept being on the table for the future, but my entire problem is that the disjointedness of the Rebirth era just fizzled the fuck out of things. It really feels like "The Infected", in a fully restored DC universe with the proper classic Titans/JSA/etc. dynamics in place could have led to some fun stories and character development. It's just not really that effective if you just coast off exposition and horseshit forced tension.
Thank Odin. Bendis' Legion was extremely painful for me to read because the first comics I ever read were my mom's old Adventure Comics from the sixties that while extremely hokey, were a far more engaging read. It comes down to Bendis' fatal flaw as a writer: the man uses excess dialogue and plagiarizes from other creators to cover his paper-thin plots. His LOSH was particularly bad because it introduced every single Legionnaire from 1958 to 1980 (as well as a half-dozen of his creations) and gave them largely-interchangeable personalities with nonsensical plots. I cared nothing about what he was doing with President Brande, General Nah, or Superboy's great "destiny." Contrast with the post-Zero Hour reboot where Waid/McCraw/Peyer/Stern gradually reintroduced the characters while balancing several subplots. Hell, XS and Gates are two of my favorite Legionnaires of all time.

What really irks me is that that DC appeared emphasize that this Legion was the only one that matters continuity-wise. Now that "everything" matters post-Death Metal and that all of the characters remember everything that happened in DC continuity, does that mean all of the Legions matter too. I mean, there could be several divergent timelines that intersect with the main DC timeline ala Hypertime so Clark had the Original/Retroboot Legion, Conner had the post-Zero Hour Legion, Kara had Threeboot, and Jon could have the shitty Bendis Legion. Given how future is fluid, I saw DC's attempts to consolidate their future timelines as folly. (Though I'm all for giving a Jon a kryptonite bullet to the head because Bendis fucked him up beyond recognition.)

A writer like Jonathan Hickman could have done wonders for the Legion because he can deal with heady concepts like alternate timelines and the multiverse. Bends is a washed-up hack who wasn't worth the exorbitant page rate DC paid him. Unfortunately, with DC's current woes, I believe that he effectively killed the Legion for good.
Bendis's legion has elements of what could be fun but I think that he doesn't really care for characters in team books outside of like 2-3 of them.

Someone just give Bendis the YJ book or something that just plays on his abilities and let him tell his damned stories. I mean, he's at least a better writer than Tamaki.
New Universe was more hit than miss, but DP7, Psi-Force, Star Brand, & Justice were fun while they lasted. Marvel and Jim Shotter fucked it up before it started by rushing the whole thing and then being cheap bastards by dumping the top tier talent they had lined up beforehand just to save some cash. The editors could not keep their shit together, which resulted in books like Justice plain ignoring the "no aliens or magical worlds" decree until halfway through the book, and then changed course by declaring that Tensen was in an induced mental illusion and not really from some magic dimension. Ditto for Star Brand, which pivoted from "the SB was gifted by an alien" into "self-fulfilling time loop fuckery".

At least Hickman (may Allah praise his goats) had started introducing Starbrand, Nightmask, and modern takes on various other NU characters into the 616 canon.
New Universe was odd, but hey the whole "The Pit" thing was kinda a wild and petty thing to do. The subsequent 2000ish? revival was odd. Wasn't it called Newuniversal?

man Marvels tried reviving the New Universe and Squadron Supreme universe a bunch of times.

What's funny is that we still had the Hyperion from around the 2015 secret wars era book up to like what, Civil War 2 and the Secret Empire? What the fuck happened to him? I know we had some post-secret War squadrom supreme book that killed namor in the first or second issue and just had characters who survived as the last of their world and shit, like Blur and whatnot. I also remember the Supreme Power Nighthawk going to chicago, getting killed off panel in some Secret Empire thing, and some C list black villainess from the 70s took over his legacy? I don't know what the fuck happened to the OG Kyle Richmond thats been around since the 70s as a classic Defender.


I've tried but my autism power levels are too low.
 
Thor's battlebrother was awesome. The new Squadron seems to be manufactured for Coulsens purposes.
 
New Universe was more hit than miss, but DP7, Psi-Force, Star Brand, & Justice were fun while they lasted. Marvel and Jim Shotter fucked it up before it started by rushing the whole thing and then being cheap bastards by dumping the top tier talent they had lined up beforehand just to save some cash. The editors could not keep their shit together, which resulted in books like Justice plain ignoring the "no aliens or magical worlds" decree until halfway through the book, and then changed course by declaring that Tensen was in an induced mental illusion and not really from some magic dimension. Ditto for Star Brand, which pivoted from "the SB was gifted by an alien" into "self-fulfilling time loop fuckery".

At least Hickman (may Allah praise his goats) had started introducing Starbrand, Nightmask, and modern takes on various other NU characters into the 616 canon.
Of interest, maybe, is that early Valiant was what Shooter had intended with the New universe
honestly, the virtue signalling crap always gets me pissed. it's pretty much killed the possibility of a long lasting and genuine Carol Danvers Captain Marvel fanbase, or an Ironheart one. At least, while Kamala Khan is sort of mary sue'd, she's not toxic. I do think that she's shilled too much though, for a relatively new hero.
I hate Kamala more than Ironheart or NuCarol. I find her every bit as toxic because we will never be free of her and while RiRi and NuCarol can be fixed, Kamala will forever be the same.
The Jinny Hex box was fun as a concept. The Teen Lantern thing is something that Bendis should have been able to save for later.
Hacking Oa. With a laptop. From a third world country. By a teenager.

No.

Jinny is cringe too.
Amethyst was also there but I'm not sure if she's a fan-fave or a "fan"-fave. Her background's good for potential stories tbh.
She's a cult favorite. She had a great series in the 80s before Keith Giffen, who really liked her, made some controversial stories with Mindy Newell, I think. I liked it and her fate heavily ties into LOSH. It is good and they made a solid, if not remotely connected to the original concept, cartoon on CN.

I was excited as hell to see her done by Amy Reeder, but it was SJW shit and I dropped it after issue 1.
I enjoy the concept being on the table for the future, but my entire problem is that the disjointedness of the Rebirth era just fizzled the fuck out of things.
I don't know that it was disjointed, but within a year Dan Didio was undermining it and they made the mistake of bringing foxes into the hen house.
Bendis's legion has elements of what could be fun but I think that he doesn't really care for characters in team books outside of like 2-3 of them.
Nope. Hated that miniseries. Hate the stupid hair cuts, race swaps. Hate trying to make everything about Superman. Hate the terrible dialogue and ass mischaracterizations.
Someone just give Bendis the YJ book or something that just plays on his abilities and let him tell his damned stories. I mean, he's at least a better writer than Tamaki.
Fuck no. No more Bendis. He is a terrible fucking writer. Tamaki, is better mechanically and worse in that she doesn't understand how comics fucking work.
revival was odd. Wasn't it called Newuniversal?
There was a miniseries call that, then a subsequent mini Warren bailed on after two issues using the my computer ate my homework excuse.
man Marvels tried reviving the New Universe and Squadron Supreme universe a bunch of times.
I know they gave it to JMS for Squadron and New Universal with Warren. But what other times?
What's funny is that we still had the Hyperion from around the 2015 secret wars era book up to like what, Civil War 2 and the Secret Empire? What the fuck happened to him? I know we had some post-secret War squadrom supreme book that killed namor in the first or second issue and just had characters who survived as the last of their world and shit, like Blur and whatnot. I also remember the Supreme Power Nighthawk going to chicago, getting killed off panel in some Secret Empire thing, and some C list black villainess from the 70s took over his legacy? I don't know what the fuck happened to the OG Kyle Richmond thats been around since the 70s as a classic Defender.
He was in Thunderbolts and Defenders in the 00s, but NuSquadron with JMS had him blacked and the OG Squadron is lilly white. Can't have that in SJW Marvel.
 
honestly, the virtue signalling crap always gets me pissed. it's pretty much killed the possibility of a long lasting and genuine Carol Danvers Captain Marvel fanbase, or an Ironheart one. At least, while Kamala Khan is sort of mary sue'd, she's not toxic. I do think that she's shilled too much though, for a relatively new hero.

honestly the dark nights shit could have easily been relegated to backup stories or sth. covid has everything spotty in terms of release.

Amethyst was also there but I'm not sure if she's a fan-fave or a "fan"-fave. Her background's good for potential stories tbh.

Spidey has been nailing it these days, The Knull event has been pure fun and reminds me of what comics should just be. (I like the concept of Dark Nights but man it's just fatigued after a certain point, plus they didn't do too much with the whole "Infected" plotline other than make some characters edgey and create fake tension. It's all full of fun concepts that didn't mesh well together and would have worked with a far better writer+editor or sth.
Honestly I feel like they've made Carol Danvers incredibly unlikeable over the last decade, everything I see of her that's not in her solo portrays her as the most disagreeable, bitchy person ever. Ironheart had potential, but Bendis never did anything with his setup and it seems like nobody else bothered fleshing her out properly either, which is a shame since I thought the book had ok build up even though all the bullshit surrounding her introduction was awful. I like Kamala. The first run on her is solid enough, and never really feels too preachy or pandering. Can't speak for her more recent stuff though since I dropped the book after G. Willow Wilson left it.

The dark nights shit honestly pisses me off so much. Its not that the concept is bad, its just that it took over everything for literal years, and the stories that did have potential never fully realized it. The infected is a perfect example, where it came and went and I didn't care. I like the idea of it being a meta story about the stories in the dcu, but the main books never did anything with it, there weren't enough of the good tie-ins, and the bad tie-ins were so god-awful that they just made the whole event feel shitty. That and the fact that it went for sooooooo long.

I never read any of the Amethyst stuff so my only experience with her is through YJ. I thought she was alright, didn't do much for me but from what I've heard she's a character that has potential that DC just can't seem to capitalize on.

Spidey is fucking great right now. Literally every Spidey-related book is solid. Venom has been great for a while, Miles Morales is imo finally coming into his own now that Bendis isn't writing him, and of course Amazing is probably the comic I'm most excited for each month right now. Just fuck, the last remains stuff really feels like the stuff Straczynski was putting out when I was growing up in the best way possible.
 
Nope. Hated that miniseries. Hate the stupid hair cuts, race swaps. Hate trying to make everything about Superman. Hate the terrible dialogue and ass mischaracterizations.
The only time race-swapping worked in the Legion was when Mark Waid turned Star Boy black in Threeboot, and I think that more because I liked Barry Kitson's costume design.

<sacrasm>It's almost like Bendis didn't do his research and realize that there were other notable black Legionnaires like Tyroc, XS (biracial), and Kid Quantum.</sarcasm>

I don't include Invisible Kid II because he made an appearance. If Bendis bothered to do the research, he could have made Ferro Lad black because that it was Jim Shooter intended back in the sixties. DC was afraid of losing distribution in the South so they vetoed him and Shooter killed off the character in the Sun-Eater Saga. Also, I know Tyroc was a terrible 70s stereotype of an angry black man, but the Retroboot under Levitz managed to rehabilitate it somewhat.

EDIT: XS showed up in Josh Williamson's last Flash arc, complete with Legion belt, so I wonder what her status in the DCU. Part of me would like to believe that the post-ZH Legion is semi-canon and that Bendis' Legion is one of Jon Kent's kryptonite delusions.
 
Of interest, maybe, is that early Valiant was what Shooter had intended with the New universe

I hate Kamala more than Ironheart or NuCarol. I find her every bit as toxic because we will never be free of her and while RiRi and NuCarol can be fixed, Kamala will forever be the same.

Hacking Oa. With a laptop. From a third world country. By a teenager.

No.

Jinny is cringe too.

She's a cult favorite. She had a great series in the 80s before Keith Giffen, who really liked her, made some controversial stories with Mindy Newell, I think. I liked it and her fate heavily ties into LOSH. It is good and they made a solid, if not remotely connected to the original concept, cartoon on CN.

I was excited as hell to see her done by Amy Reeder, but it was SJW shit and I dropped it after issue 1.

I don't know that it was disjointed, but within a year Dan Didio was undermining it and they made the mistake of bringing foxes into the hen house.

Nope. Hated that miniseries. Hate the stupid hair cuts, race swaps. Hate trying to make everything about Superman. Hate the terrible dialogue and ass mischaracterizations.

Fuck no. No more Bendis. He is a terrible fucking writer. Tamaki, is better mechanically and worse in that she doesn't understand how comics fucking work.

There was a miniseries call that, then a subsequent mini Warren bailed on after two issues using the my computer ate my homework excuse.

I know they gave it to JMS for Squadron and New Universal with Warren. But what other times?

He was in Thunderbolts and Defenders in the 00s, but NuSquadron with JMS had him blacked and the OG Squadron is lilly white. Can't have that in SJW Marvel.
Kamala is just some white woman trying to write a Mary Sue muslim heroine.
Now, I ask, where is the Burqa. But seriously, they have her visit Pakistan and whatnot and there's no conflict of cultures?

I can stomach worse mechanical writing if they understand how comics work. You "could" get me to pop like 5 bucks for a used paperback of one of Bendis' things. You couldn't pay me to buy any of Tamaki's crap.
Honestly I feel like they've made Carol Danvers incredibly unlikeable over the last decade, everything I see of her that's not in her solo portrays her as the most disagreeable, bitchy person ever. Ironheart had potential, but Bendis never did anything with his setup and it seems like nobody else bothered fleshing her out properly either, which is a shame since I thought the book had ok build up even though all the bullshit surrounding her introduction was awful. I like Kamala. The first run on her is solid enough, and never really feels too preachy or pandering. Can't speak for her more recent stuff though since I dropped the book after G. Willow Wilson left it.

The dark nights shit honestly pisses me off so much. Its not that the concept is bad, its just that it took over everything for literal years, and the stories that did have potential never fully realized it. The infected is a perfect example, where it came and went and I didn't care. I like the idea of it being a meta story about the stories in the dcu, but the main books never did anything with it, there weren't enough of the good tie-ins, and the bad tie-ins were so god-awful that they just made the whole event feel shitty. That and the fact that it went for sooooooo long.

I never read any of the Amethyst stuff so my only experience with her is through YJ. I thought she was alright, didn't do much for me but from what I've heard she's a character that has potential that DC just can't seem to capitalize on.

Spidey is fucking great right now. Literally every Spidey-related book is solid. Venom has been great for a while, Miles Morales is imo finally coming into his own now that Bendis isn't writing him, and of course Amazing is probably the comic I'm most excited for each month right now. Just fuck, the last remains stuff really feels like the stuff Straczynski was putting out when I was growing up in the best way possible.
I think they should lean into Carol being someone like Amanda Waller or Nick Fury who "could" be a more heroic figure, but ultimately really isn't that much of one. Civil War 2 is a perfect example of how they could have gone down this route of letting her be the horseshit "for the common good" type but also have the whole "demands and desires respect" type that she's been portrayed as.

Sort of uh. . .

I don't know proper comparisons but it'd make her to be akin to typical feminists. But I think she'd be more like a Post Civil War 1 Tony Stark in terms of hubris. THat'd be an interesting character arc and would provide us with an enjoyable foil while still being able to use this in her own book. I was mildly disappointed that they didn't capitalize on this turn after CWII.


I'm still incredibly salty that DC hasn't revived the JSA proper.
 
honestly, the virtue signalling crap always gets me pissed. it's pretty much killed the possibility of a long lasting and genuine Carol Danvers Captain Marvel fanbase, or an Ironheart one. At least, while Kamala Khan is sort of mary sue'd, she's not toxic. I do think that she's shilled too much though, for a relatively new hero.


The Jinny Hex box was fun as a concept. The Teen Lantern thing is something that Bendis should have been able to save for later.

honestly the dark nights shit could have easily been relegated to backup stories or sth. covid has everything spotty in terms of release.

oh boy, this is true.

remember when we thought the leaked death in civil war 2 was gonna potentially be johnny storm? because i recall that being the big speculation.

anyways, Rhodey made sense from a writing standpoint but I think marvel overestimates the actual popularity of the MCU centric capes like war machine, falcon, and whatnot that they kinda wound up pushing until Disney bought fox lol.

Oh man we never did get the conclusion to that Onomatopoeia story did we? The one where he showed up as some dude named Baphomet?

Conner got hospitalized a ton and then coma'd and amnesia'd. I like him but it feels like they kinda didn't know what to do with connor and ollie in the year or two before the New 52. The whole cry for justice sperging and resulting horseshit kinda fucked up the Green Arrow book at the time.

Amethyst was also there but I'm not sure if she's a fan-fave or a "fan"-fave. Her background's good for potential stories tbh.

Spidey has been nailing it these days, The Knull event has been pure fun and reminds me of what comics should just be. (I like the concept of Dark Nights but man it's just fatigued after a certain point, plus they didn't do too much with the whole "Infected" plotline other than make some characters edgey and create fake tension. It's all full of fun concepts that didn't mesh well together and would have worked with a far better writer+editor or sth.

no really, Infected Jim Gordon had so much potential but they didn't use it. Infected Jaime Reyes, Shazam, Donna Troy, Supergirl. All fun concepts to follow up on. Infected Hawkman was explored a little but honestly without the existence of the JSA or the Hawkman-Atom friendship or Hawkman-GA rivalry, it sort of just wasn't up to par with what they would have done preN52.

I enjoy the concept being on the table for the future, but my entire problem is that the disjointedness of the Rebirth era just fizzled the fuck out of things. It really feels like "The Infected", in a fully restored DC universe with the proper classic Titans/JSA/etc. dynamics in place could have led to some fun stories and character development. It's just not really that effective if you just coast off exposition and horseshit forced tension.

Bendis's legion has elements of what could be fun but I think that he doesn't really care for characters in team books outside of like 2-3 of them.

Someone just give Bendis the YJ book or something that just plays on his abilities and let him tell his damned stories. I mean, he's at least a better writer than Tamaki.

New Universe was odd, but hey the whole "The Pit" thing was kinda a wild and petty thing to do. The subsequent 2000ish? revival was odd. Wasn't it called Newuniversal?

man Marvels tried reviving the New Universe and Squadron Supreme universe a bunch of times.

What's funny is that we still had the Hyperion from around the 2015 secret wars era book up to like what, Civil War 2 and the Secret Empire? What the fuck happened to him? I know we had some post-secret War squadrom supreme book that killed namor in the first or second issue and just had characters who survived as the last of their world and shit, like Blur and whatnot. I also remember the Supreme Power Nighthawk going to chicago, getting killed off panel in some Secret Empire thing, and some C list black villainess from the 70s took over his legacy? I don't know what the fuck happened to the OG Kyle Richmond thats been around since the 70s as a classic Defender.


I've tried but my autism power levels are too low.
Newuniversal was an event to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the New Universe...but it was a reboot.reimaging, not a continuation. Then Ellis fucked it up by being late and putting it into hiatus for months, then leaving it unfinished because his hard drive crashed. SERIOUSLY

Hyperion got a mini series written by a crap writer named Chuck Wendig (guy has a thread on here). and the NU Blur ended up in the post-SW Squadron Supreme team.

New Nighthawk was some militant black dude who popped up in short lived Occupy Avengers series.

Now I want to go read the 12 issue mini from the mid 80s. That shit still holds up today.

Oh, and Future State: LOSH dropped this week, and oh boy...Bendis managed to make it an even more disjointed mess, and the art is ASS.
 
Newuniversal was an event to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the New Universe...but it was a reboot.reimaging, not a continuation. Then Ellis fucked it up by being late and putting it into hiatus for months, then leaving it unfinished because his hard drive crashed. SERIOUSLY

Hyperion got a mini series written by a crap writer named Chuck Wendig (guy has a thread on here). and the NU Blur ended up in the post-SW Squadron Supreme team.

New Nighthawk was some militant black dude who popped up in short lived Occupy Avengers series.

Now I want to go read the 12 issue mini from the mid 80s. That shit still holds up today.

Oh, and Future State: LOSH dropped this week, and oh boy...Bendis managed to make it an even more disjointed mess, and the art is ASS.
i read the hyperion miniseries by wendig.

it was bad.

the Occupy Avengers series was weird. It was an odd idea and then it gets fucked by Secret Empire.
 
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