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Arthur Morgan said:
I met those dudes at a con back in 09 and they seemed cool. They knew what they were making and didn't give a shit because it sold and they enjoyed doing it.
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I once got a really nice treat from them for being a devoted customer where they mailed a signed copy of their holiday pin-up issue along with my order. These guys know how to treat their fans.
 
I believe the 90s weren't quite the "Dark Age" it's been made out to be by nerds, especially the kind who are involved with the likes of TVTropes (more like TVDopes, right) and "trans flag image in bio" types but in reality, there was a lot of great material being printed back then, including indie works. It was a better time for indie books after the devastation caused by the Black and White Boom/bust of the late 80s . But there was still good work being done in the "mainstream" too, despite all of the chromium variant covers and Liefeld knockoff books with titles like BLOODSTRYKE KLAWFORCE. and other junk that was indeed on the shelves back then. A lot of modern comic writers and fans have been brainwashed to think all 1990s comics, especially supe books were bad because "they caused the crash" when in actuality the big 90s crash came about because of poor business sense and all of the suits who got way too cocky.

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Commander X said:
I believe the 90s weren't quite the "Dark Age" it's been made out to be by nerds, especially the kind who are involved with the likes TVTropes (more like TVDopes, right) and "trans flag image in bio" types but in reality, there was a lot of great material being printed back then, including. with indie works after the devastation of the Black and White Boom/bust of the late 80s . But there was still good work being done in the "mainstream" too, despite all of the chromium variant covers and Liefeld knockoff books with titles like BLOODSTRYKE KLAWFORCE. and other junk that was indeed on the shelves back then. A lot of modern comic writers and fans have been brainwashed to think all 1990s comics, especially supe books were bad because "they caused the crash" when in actuality the big 90s crash came about because of poor business sense and all of the suits who got way too cocky.

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I really liked Gen13, The Maxx, Spawn, Cyber Force, and Lobo was always fun. That vampire series, Crimson was also cool. I also really liked that whole "upgrade" of the Dark Age's art into the 2000s, where everything was shiny and made of vinyl. And yes, that is a compliment. It's likely due to my anime tastes but everything being all squeaky and sleek in the coloring, it was so turn of the millenium. I love that shit.

Yeah, the only reason why TVDopes likes shitting on the Dark Age is only because of Linkara, whom they suck his dick to this day. Liefeld wasn't even (that) terrible, his art was cool. They only believe that it was only due to "liefeldian anti-heroes" than anything else, when it really was due to both said overconfident suits and a whole lot of other shit that had been brewing behind the scenes for half a century at that point.
 
Which reminds me, one 90s title I enjoyed was Valiant's Magnus Robot Fighter. It also led me to the original series. Of course, people have tried to reboot it a few times and last year I came across a Dynamite published series from 2017, a reboot where Magnus is a lady therapist that helps robots fight their demons and featured a Turok backup story written by Chuck Wendig. Imagine my reaction, which was along the lines of a disgusted sigh.

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Pretty fucking good.

I thought the original Nemesis had lots of potential, but was squandered by Millar focusing on shock value than telling a story. This was a really good start and I’m excited to see where it goes!
 
The new Nemesis is interesting but it reeks of Millar realizing no one wants to touch/adapt the original Nemesis comic and Millar basically rebooting it into something more "palatable" himself, especially after watching Amazon rape Jupiter's Legacy as badly as they raped it in terms of him not trusting letting strangers he's never worked with before rework Nemesis.

Also, Dark Web continues to spiral into failure and AIDS as far as no one but Maddie and JJJ* stans coming out unscathed, with this week's Spider-Man introducing Well's newest addition to the Spider-Man family: a Smiling Friends type little demon who is a huge Spider-Man fan that gets his own symbiote version of the red/blue costume, who becomes "REK-RAP"; a goody two shoes demon version of Spider-Man who comes to help Peter fight a bunch of Smiling Friends demons who Ben turned into super-deformed demon versions of the Sinister Six.

*JJJ gets a couple of nice moment where he fends off the advances of a female demon bed that wants to fuck him and another moment where he uses reverse psychology to get rid of the demons that are holding him and Robertson hostage so that Peter can rescue them.

Commander X said:
I believe the 90s weren't quite the "Dark Age" it's been made out to be by nerds, especially the kind who are involved with the likes of TVTropes (more like TVDopes, right) and "trans flag image in bio" types but in reality, there was a lot of great material being printed back then, including indie works. It was a better time for indie books after the devastation caused by the Black and White Boom/bust of the late 80s . But there was still good work being done in the "mainstream" too, despite all of the chromium variant covers and Liefeld knockoff books with titles like BLOODSTRYKE KLAWFORCE. and other junk that was indeed on the shelves back then. A lot of modern comic writers and fans have been brainwashed to think all 1990s comics, especially supe books were bad because "they caused the crash" when in actuality the big 90s crash came about because of poor business sense and all of the suits who got way too cocky.

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To be fair, most 90s stuff DID have soul in so far as it was earnest and honest with the fact that it wasn't high art and was, for better or for worth, giving fans what they wanted.

That said, Bloodshot is a bad example of this notion because it was Valiant taking something high concept (Rai, which was a super hero cyberpunk comic book which sadly sold badly) and dumbing it down for comic readers.
 
Commander X said:
I believe the 90s weren't quite the "Dark Age" it's been made out to be by nerds, especially the kind who are involved with the likes of TVTropes (more like TVDopes, right) and "trans flag image in bio" types but in reality, there was a lot of great material being printed back then, including indie works. It was a better time for indie books after the devastation caused by the Black and White Boom/bust of the late 80s . But there was still good work being done in the "mainstream" too, despite all of the chromium variant covers and Liefeld knockoff books with titles like BLOODSTRYKE KLAWFORCE. and other junk that was indeed on the shelves back then. A lot of modern comic writers and fans have been brainwashed to think all 1990s comics, especially supe books were bad because "they caused the crash" when in actuality the big 90s crash came about because of poor business sense and all of the suits who got way too cocky.
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90s Marvel was pretty bad with the occasional exception, and the early Image stuff was crap unless they hired Alan Moore to write it, but there was a ton of good stuff in the 90s too, whether you like superheros or slice-of-life indie comics. It just felt kind of bad at the time because it felt Marvel kept launching crossover after crossover and a few of the more prominent indie publishers, like Eclipse and Caliber went out business.
 
The '90s definitely had more good than bad. Even the 'bad' stuff, like the Clone Saga, I'd take over most of modern comics.

I really doubt that the majority of the people who blindly shit on '90s comics have actually read more than a few. Like with X-Men, it's a popular series to deride as '90s excess (convoluted storylines, over the top art) but everyone I know who has actually read the '90s X-Men typically love it.
 
I love the MC2 and feel it's super underrated as an imprint, it's how all superhero comics should be made. just have multiple continuities based off the 616 one that a writer can pick and choose the details of so there's no more writers deliberately ignoring shit that makes no sense. so if every writer has to only read lets say the stan lee era of spidey, when they make their own continuity it has to be based off of that era they read
 
CowPox said:
90's is my favorite decade for comics,nastalgia bias admitted. I remember thinking marvel comics presents was the most underrated superhero series in terms of story and definitely art, i also found the double sided covers and duel stories to be awesome.
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There's a lot of stuff I love about the 90s but there's also stuff I hate, like the squandered potential of many companies and other potential universes. However, overall, I'm a fan of the decade. Especially 90s Vertigo.
 
I reread "Ray Bradbury's Farenheight 451: The Authorized Adaptation".

it was better than "Who Tried To Kill Jimmy Hopkins?" where the beginning and ending of each section was those yellow boxes meant for internal dialogue: "WHY IS JIMMY NOW A PRANKSTER VLOGGER HOW CAN HE SQUIRM HIS WAY OUT OF THIS?! TURN THE NEXT PAGE TO FIND OUT!!"
 
Wonder Woman has been completely bastardized by every other comic book writer since William Moulton Marston just writing her as a superstrong blade-swinging Amazon brute (something that's about as far from WW's original conception as a tranny is from an actual woman). As far as I am concerned, moment you have Wonder Woman brandish a sword you done fucked up. Unfortunately that's also the version that stuck, thanks to George Perez.
 
So, due to.....recent events in the Scooby-Doo franchise, @A Grey Cat in the Western Animation thread brought up this limited comic series that DC ran from 2016-2019 called Scooby Apocalypse. Basically, the world gets infected with a nanite plague thanks in part to Velma, and the Scooby-Doo gang have to...well....live through the apocalypse. It's actually WAY better than it sounds (so far, at least, I'm on issue 2) and is good for a laugh, if nothing else.
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Vyse Inglebard said:
So, due to.....recent events in the Scooby-Doo franchise, @A Grey Cat in the Western Animation thread brought up this limited comic series that DC ran from 2016-2019 called Scooby Apocalypse. Basically, the world gets infected with a nanite plague thanks in part to Velma, and the Scooby-Doo gang have to...well....live through the apocalypse. It's actually WAY better than it sounds (so far, at least, I'm on issue 2) and is good for a laugh, if nothing else.
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Wait til you see what they do to Scrappy. I won't spoil it for you.
 
ArthuriusMartyrius said:
Wonder Woman has been completely bastardized by every other comic book writer since William Moulton Marston just writing her as a superstrong blade-swinging Amazon brute (something that's about as far from WW's original conception as a tranny is from an actual woman). As far as I am concerned, moment you have Wonder Woman brandish a sword you done fucked up. Unfortunately that's also the version that stuck, thanks to George Perez.
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The problem is there were two wonder woman. The one DC wanted and the one Marston wrote with his hand down his pants. Those Marston comics are not necessarily the girl comic that the conceit, little girl dreams of a big new world.

Lynda Carter's version of the character wasn't that. All George did was take Marston's horrifically kinky, sexualized fantasy and strip of all its edgy bits.

Which, say what you will, was probably the best Wondy comics since the early days of Sensation. Seriously. Which run from Sensation to WW 1992 are you holding it up to? Because those 24 issues he actually was invested in were really good. Perfect no. Hell, I don't even like Marston's half of the Wondy conceit. But I feel the same way about Siegal and Schuster Supes. They may have created the general idea, but others made it work better.

As for comic runs, what have you read?

Messner Loeb got stuck on the book for several years and delivered one hell of a good story his last year on the book deconstructing George Perez's take pretty savagely. It's fine if you can stand 90s art. Then John Byrne took his shot and its okay. I like it more than others.

Rucka/Simone are shit and sat on the character for almost a decade. They basically did what you described. Thor with tits, which sucks. But I also didn't like Morrison's Earth One either.

The magic of a young woman meeting a man for the first time, exploring the world, and growing up are for more interesting then feminism/fetish/stronk stuff. The Wondy movie almost made that happen except for the war crap.
 
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