Sony hate thread

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p1138 said:
So then you're intentionally being a contrarian for no reason? Is that why you can't come up with anything other than crying about how sony execs need to be fired? No fucking shit they need to be fired, but they aren't going to fire themselves, and the board of the directors doesn't appear to want to do anything about it any time soon either.
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They won't fire or change themselves so firing Kojima/Hsu or whoever fixes nothing. Just creates a scapegoat. They are not willing to do what fixes the company so this firing costed them good publicity while achieving nothing.

p1138 said:
And yet you're still on this kick about Kojima being treated unfairly, yet he got away from Sony's stupidity with the least amount of bullshit possible compared to the other studios shut down and teams laid off/fired, some of whom didn't even get a chance to finish producing a game in the first place.
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I don't care if it benefits Kojima. This isn't the Kojima Appreciation Thread. This is the Sony Hate Thread. This decision might have benefited Kojima but hurt Sony. Would Kojima's new game have been good? Who knows? However, more people would be willing to buy it than other shit like Laufey or Intergalactic.

p1138 said:
Yes, hiring good devs and managers would result in good games. There's no major publishers doing this industry wide at the moment. Why is it you seem to be under the impression that you're the only one who understands this? Yet you can't grasp the fact that there's no one to fire the executives running this shit, and they will continue to run the shit until they either die off and get replaced, or the companies literally fall apart because in the case of Sony there's enough other business units propping up the company that the voting shareholders don't have to give a crap about Playstation.

This shit with Sony is so fucking bad, that they announced a new CEO for playstation(Hideaki Nishino) back in April of 2025, and still fucking left Hermen Hulst as some bullshit weird co-CEO.

Do you fucking get it now?
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I do know that no one will fire the execs. Which is why I complain. Firing devs achieves nothing so I complain that nothing of substance is being done. That is worth complaining about. Neither Kojima nor Hsu or whoever are the root of the issue. Them being punished for whatever isn't fair because everything wrong with Sony starts at the top.
 
Incecticyder said:
I told you repeatedly:

"Hire good devs and tell the remaining devs to stop with the things that people hate and caused them to stop wanting to buy the games."
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They fired the Concord developers, too.

Incecticyder said:
How many times do I have to say it? Firing people is half of the solution! The other half is hiring better people and telling them to stop with the woke shit!
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You're changing the subject from how unfairly Kojima's been treated to how Sony should have fixed Firewalk. Stay on the subject. You keep complaining that Kojima was treated unfairly compared to Hsu and team. Kojima was given a second chance; Hsu wasn't. Hsu and his entire team were fired - no quarter given (a couple of them went to go work in support, but still). Kojima still owns his studio; his team still has their jobs.

Where's the unfairness?
 
Redgirl IRL said:
My man, you are griping in multiple threads about Kojima's fanboys. Every bedsheet, every curtain, hiding a depraved psychopath that lightly disagrees with the firing.

But late for detached irony, tbh.
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Yeah, I'm talking about Kojima in threads where the topic is about Kojima.

I'm not using le reddit "oh no, the gays are everywhere!" defensive posting tactics like many in here are slipping into.
 
The Ugly One said:
They fired the Concord developers, too.
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So? They had a failure far grander than anything Kojima did.

The Ugly One said:
You're changing the subject from how unfairly Kojima's been treated to how Sony should have fixed Firewalk. Stay on the subject. You keep complaining that Kojima was treated unfairly compared to Hsu and team. Kojima was given a second chance; Hsu wasn't. Hsu and his entire team were fired - no quarter given (a couple of them went to go work in support, but still).
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No, I said he was treated unfairly compared to those who REMAINED at Sony. Hsu's game was outright refunded. He was given the boot but guaranteed flops are still in development.

The Ugly One said:
Kojima still owns his studio; his team still has their jobs.
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Because Sony doesn't own them.

The Ugly One said:
Where's the unfairness?
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Because if they fired everyone who fits the criteria that Kojima was fired for, they would have to fire the entire company. They shouldn't do that but the rest are just as bad as Kojima.
 
Incecticyder said:
No, I said he was treated unfairly compared to those who REMAINED at Sony. Hsu's game was outright refunded. He was given the boot but guaranteed flops are still in development.
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Kojima and his team were never at Sony. That's part of the point. Sony doesn't own Kojima Studios. They didn't fire Kojima. They ended a business relationship with his company. He still owns Physint and Death Stranding. Everyone still works for him.

You and everyone else keep bringing up Concord over and over as an example of the unfairness. Except now that it's been definitively shown that Kojima actually got more forbearance than Hsu, the argument has changed.

The fact is, everyone you're comparing Kojima to has
  1. Given Sony far more in exchange for their money than Kojima offers in terms of rights and ownership
  2. Had a stronger track record of success leading into their first failure
  3. Got shitcanned/shutdown after things went sideways
And the fact is, after Concord, letting somebody burn through hundreds of millions with little to no accountability is off the table. It would be utterly retarded for Sony to keep doing that. Oh, Kojima is the guy who made Metal Gear? Cool, well, Hsu was the guy who made Destiny, which made more money than Metal Gear in 1/4 as much time. Hsu got shitcanned and his studio shut down.

Kojima just lost around $150m and is fucking up his latest project. He's not playing with a strong hand against other people with better resumes who experienced consequences for their failures on top of giving Sony ownership if the expectation is he should get more money with no strings attached.

Incecticyder said:
Because if they fired everyone who fits the criteria that Kojima was fired for, they would have to fire the entire company.
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The other studios you're complaining about gave Sony total ownership. If Kojima wants the same treatment, he needs to play by the same rules. "You will own nothing and be happy" doesn't work when you're an independent contractor telling a Fortune 500 company how to spend its money.
 
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The Ugly One said:
Kojima and his team were never at Sony. That's part of the point. Sony doesn't own Kojima Studios. They didn't fire Kojima. They ended a business relationship with his company. He still owns Physint and Death Stranding. Everyone still works for him.
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I used fired because "went their separate ways" is too long.


The Ugly One said:
You and everyone else keep bringing up Concord over and over as an example of the unfairness. Except now that it's been definitively shown that Kojima actually got more forbearance than Hsu, the argument has changed.

The fact is, everyone you're comparing Kojima to has
  1. Given Sony far more in exchange for their money than Kojima offers in terms of rights and ownership
  2. Had a stronger track record of success leading into their first failure
  3. Got shitcanned/shutdown after things went sideways
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No, we bring up the other games that are upcoming at Sony. Concord is used purely as an example of something stupid Sony sent money too.

The Ugly One said:
And the fact is, after Concord, letting somebody burn through hundreds of millions with little to no accountability is off the table. It would be utterly retarded for Sony to keep doing that. Oh, Kojima is the guy who made Metal Gear? Cool, well, Hsu was the guy who made Destiny, which made more money than Metal Gear in 1/4 as much time. Hsu got shitcanned and his studio shut down.
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Accountability or not, this is the state Sony promised. If Sony didn't make it clear from the start that extra money come with more control, then they are at fault too.


The Ugly One said:
Kojima just lost around $150m and is fucking up his latest project. He's not playing with a strong hand against other people with better resumes who experienced consequences for their failures on top of giving Sony ownership if the expectation is he should get more money with no strings attached.
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He is playing with a stronger hand than any project with SBI attached.

The Ugly One said:
The other studios you're complaining about gave Sony total ownership. If Kojima wants the same treatment, he needs to play by the same rules. "You will own nothing and be happy" doesn't work when you're an independent contractor telling a Fortune 500 company how to spend its money.
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Problem is that what Sony has to look forward to is a bunch of flopping turds. But at least they own those, right? If Sony wanted to own the IP, they should have said so from the start. Create the IP and then have Kojima develop it. If they gave him money for HIS own IP and changed their mind, then they are partially at fault.
 
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