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You keep saying PS3 was garbage for a long time but within 2 years it had more and better exclusives than PS5 is poised to have in the same timeframe. It has little worth upgrading for.
PS2 to PS3 was a massive gap. If the PS3 was easier to develop with, I'm sure it'd be able to give 360 a run for its money.

PS3 to PS4 was another technical upgrade, especially with no backwards compatibility.

PS4 to PS5 is almost trivial.
 
PS2 to PS3 was a massive gap. If the PS3 was easier to develop with, I'm sure it'd be able to give 360 a run for its money.

PS3 to PS4 was another technical upgrade, especially with no backwards compatibility.

PS4 to PS5 is almost trivial.
PS3 actually ended up outselling 360 by the end, but not by much. But yeah, diminishing returns is hitting consoles like a ton of bricks.
 
You bring up Famitsu and Media Create sales as if Japan is a core market for PlayStation or core gaming at all at this point. It isn't.
The other thing is that the latter half of 2021 and most of 2022 have been utterly devoid of new games. Again, you can thank lockdowns and oh-so productive WFH for that.
Neither statements are true and you (should) know it

Second half of 2021:
The Caligula Effect 2 (Furyu, 06/24/21, Switch/PS4)
The Wicked King and the Noble Hero (Nippon Ichi Software, 06/24/21, Switch/PS4)
Samurai Warriors 5 (Koei-Tecmo, 06/24/21, Switch/PS4/PS5/PC)
eBaseball Pro Baseball Spirits 2021: Grand Slam (Konami, 07/08/21, Switch)
Fuuraiki 4 (Nippon Ichi Software, 07/08/21, Switch/PS4)
Monster Hunter Stories 2: Wings of Ruin (Capcom, 07/09/21, Switch/PC)
Crayon Shin-chan: Ora to Hakase no Natsuyasumi (Neos, 07/15/21 for Switch)
Monster wo Taoshite Tsuyoi Ken ya Yoroi wo Te ni Shinasai (Experience, 07/15/21, Switch)
Utawarerumono: ZAN 2 (Aquaplus, 07/22/21, PS4/PS5)
Shin Hayarigami 3 (Nippon Ichi Software, 07/29/21, Switch/PS4)
NEO: The World Ends With You (Square-Enix, 07/27/21, Switch/PS4)
Blaster Master Zero 3 (Inti Creates, 07/29/21, Switch/PS4)
Yu-Gi-Oh! Rush Duel: Dawn of the Battle Royale!! (Konami, 08/12/21, Switch)
Tsukihime: A Piece of Blue Glass Moon (Aniplex, 08/26/21, Switch/PS4)
No More Heroes III (Marvelous, 08/27/21 for Switch)
Tales of Arise (Bandai Namco, 09/09/21, PS4/PS5/Xbox Series/PC)
Neptunia x Senran Kagura: Ninja Wars (Compile Heart, 09/16/21 for PS4 & 03/17/22 for Switch)
Lost Judgement (Sega, 09/24/21, PS4/PS5/Xbox Series)
The Legend Of Heroes: Kuro no Kiseki I (Falcom, 09/30/21, PS4)
Melty Blood Type Lumania (Delightworks, 09/30/21, Switch/PS4/PC)
The Idolmaster : Starlit Season (Bandai Namco, 10/14/21, PS4/PC)
Monark (Furyu, 10/14/21, Switch/PS4/PS5/PC)
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba – The Hinokami Chronicles (Aniplex, 10/14/21 for PS4/PS5/Xbox Series/PC, 06/09/22 for Switch)
Blue Reflection Second Light (Gust, 10/21/21, Switch/PS4/PC)
Super Robot Wars 30 (Bandai Namco, 10/28/21, Switch/PS4/PC)
Megaton Musashi (Level 5, 11/11/21, Switch/PS4)
Shin Megami Tensei V (Atlus, 11/11/21, Switch)
Power Pro Kun Pocket R (Konami, 11/25/21, Switch)
River City Saga: Three Kingdoms (Arc System Works, 12/16/21 for Switch, 07/16/22 for PS4/PC)
Record of Lodoss War: Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth (Playism, 12/16/21, Switch/PS4/PS5/PC)
Cotton Rock 'n' Roll (Success, 12/23/21, Switch/PS4)
Dynasty Warriors 8 Empires (Koei-Tecmo, 12/23/21, Switch/PS4/PS5/PC)
2022:
Gunvolt Chronicles: Luminous Avenger iX 2 (Inti Creates, 01/27/22, Switch/PS4/Xbox Series/PC)
Shikabanegurai no Boukenmeshi (Nippon Ichi Software, 01/27/22, Switch/PS4/PS5)
Touken Ranbu Warriors (DMM Games, 02/17/22, Switch)
Atelier Sophie 2: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Dream (Koei-Tecmo, 02/24/22, Switch/PS4/PC)
Elden Ring (From Software, 02/25/22, PS4/PS5/Xbox Series/PC)
Triangle Strategy (Square-Enix, 03/04/22, Switch)
Chocobo GP (Square-Enix, 03/10/22, Switch)
Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin (Square-Enix, 03/18/22, PS4/PS5/Xbox Series/PC)
Relayer (Kadokawa Games, 03/24/22, PS4/PS5)
Battle Spirits: Connected Battlers (Furyu, 04/14/22, Switch/PS4/PS5)
eBASEBALL Powerful Pro Baseball 2022 (Konami, 04/21/22, Switch/PS4)
Hyperdimension Neptunia: Sisters vs. Sisters (Compile Heart, 04/21/22, PS4/PS5)
Yomawari 3 (Nippon Ichi Software, 04/21/22, Switch/PS4)
Live A Live (Square-Enix, 03/04/22, Switch)
Kiki Kaikai Kuro Manto no Nazo (Natsume Atari, 04/21/22, Switch/PS4)
The Centennial Case: A Shijima Story (Square-Enix, 05/12/22, Switch/PS4/PS5/PC)
Yurukill: The Calumniation Games (IzanagiGames, 05/26/22, Switch/PS4)
Go-Toubun no Hanayome the Movie: Five Memories of My Time with You (MAGES., 06/02/22, Switch/PS4)
Overlord: Escape from Nazarick (Kadokawa Games, 06/16/22, Switch/PS4/PC
AI: The Somnium Files – nirvanA Initiative (Spike Chunsoft, 06/23/22, Switch/PS4/PC)
Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes (Koei-Tecmo, 06/24/22, Switch)
EVE ghost enemies (El Dia, 06/30/22, Switch/PS4)
void tRrLM2(); //Void Terrarium 2 (Nippon Ichi Software, 06/30/22, Switch/PS4)
Noabunaga’s Ambition: Rebirth (Koei-Tecmo, 07/21/22, Switch/PS4/PS5/PC)
Azure Striker Gunvolt 3 (Inti Creates, 07/28/22, Switch/Xbox Series/PC)
Digimon Survive (Bandai Namco, 07/28/22, Switch/PS4/PC)
Soul Hackers 2 (Atlus, 08/25/22, PS4/PS5/Xbox Series/PC)
Earth Defense Force 6 (D3 Publisher, 08/25/22, PS4/PS5)
SD Gundam Battle Alliance (Bandai Namco, 08/25/22, Switch/PS4/PS5/PC)
Made in Abyss: Binary Star Falling into Darkness (Spike Chunsoft/Chime Corporation) - September 1st / Switch, PS4, PC
Adventure Academia: The Fractured Continent (Acquire) - September 8th / Switch, PS4, PC
Alice Gear Aegis CS: Concerto of Simulatrix (MAGES.) - September 8th / Switch, PS4, PS5
Taiko no Tatsujin: Rhythm Festival (Bandai Namco) - September 22th / Switch
The Legend of Heroes: Kuro no Kiseki II -CRIMSON SiN- (Falcom) - September 29th / PS4, PS5
Valkyrie Elysium (Square Enix/Soleil) - September 29th / PS4, PS5 (November 11th for PC)
Dragon Quest X Offline (Square Enix/B.B. Studio) - September 15th / Switch, PS4, PS5, PC
Fairy Fencer F: Refrain Chord (Compile Heart/Sting) - September 15th / Switch, PS4, PS5
Trinity Trigger (FuRyu/Three Rings) - September 15th / Switch, PS4, PS5
The DioField Chronicle (Square Enix/Lancarse) - September 22nd / Switch, PS4, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series, PC
KonoSuba: God’s Blessing on this Wonderful World! Cursed Relic and the Perplexed Adventurers (Entergram) - September 29th / Switch, PS4
Labyrinth of Zangetsu (Acquire/KaeruPanda) - September 29th / Switch, PS4, PC
Dragon Ball: The Breakers (Bandai Namco/Dimps) - October 13th / Switch, PS4, Xbox One, PC
Dragon Quest X Online All In One Package version 1-6 (Square-Enix) - October 20th / Switch, PS4, PC
Monochrome Mobius: Rights and Wrongs Forgotten (Aquaplus) - October 20th / PS4, PS5, PC
Ultra Kaiju Monster Rancher (Bandai Namco/Koei Tecmo) - October 20th / Switch, PC
Star Ocean: The Divine Force (Square-Enix/tri-Ace) - October 27th / PS4, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series, PC
Bayonetta 3 (Platinum Games) - October 28th / Switch
RPG HARVESTELLA (Square-Enix) - November 5th / Switch, PC
Dragon Quest Treasures (Square-Enix/TOSE) - December 8th / Switch
Witch on the Holy Night (Aniplex/TYPE-MOON) - December 8th / Switch, PS4
One Piece Odyssey (Bandai Namco/ILCA) - 2022 / PS4, PS5, Xbox Series, PC
This is merely taking account of japanese third-parties and not mentioning of course the re-releases of old games (GrimGrimoire OnceMore, The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles, the Switch ports of EDF games and of 13 Sentinels, etc.). But it's still twice, if not more, the productivity of western console games by comparison.

Which bring up the other obvious point. Not everything on those lists will please everyone (myself included), but there is enough variety for everyone to be pleased with at least one type of game. This used to be Playstation's main strength:
Not everyone is into souls games but if you were then you needed a Playstation console for Dark Souls
Not everyone is into fighting games but if you were then you needed a Playstation console for Tekken and nicher titles like Arcana Heart.
Not everyone is into japanese RPG games but if you were then you needed a Playstation console for things like Atelier or Persona.
Not everyone is into japanese train arcade sims but if you were then you needed a Playstation console for Densha de Go.
Not everyone is into games where you save our Mother Earth from any alien attack but if you were then you needed a Playstation console for EDF.
And so on.
Then anyone who's decided that they're getting a Playstation for those exclusives tells their normalfag friends what to buy, and before you know it Playstation was THE console to own.

This is also something that people often fail to understand when they're just solely focusing on the big number sales and don't understand any of the context (like falling into the simple marketing trap of shipment = sell-through). A console need smaller titles in order to attract more new consumers and diversity the playerbase as well as filling the gaps between the larger releases. SIE California is following the 'killer app' way of thinking, putting all their eggs in a few baskets like TLOU2, HZD, etc. And all the franchises that attracted people to the PS4, and past PS consoles, are either dead or multiplat on easier-to-access current platforms: Switch and PC (I think Xbox Series S too).

I'm sure I already posted it once before, but we have archived data that prove Japan still remains a strong console vidya market if you take notice that the proportion of retail copies sold per amount of new releases each year remains largely the same (if not bigger sales with the presence of digital now even if Japan remains to prefer hard copies for the most part).
Elden Ring and Earth Defense Force 6 also proved the market of home consoles still do exist in Japan but SIE prefer to continue burning bridges and surrendering it to Nintendo.
 
To me it doesn't seem that bad because I remember the PS3 at launch and it was genuine garbage for a long ass time.

I imported a few things for the PS3 even back then but still it was pretty bad up until the last few years of the system. The PS5 imports that I have in my collection currently are of better quality than what the PS3 had to offer, even PS5 ports are at least on par or better with the competition, where as the PS3 was known to struggle with ports.

Sony would have honestly killed for the PS3 to be performing as well as the PS5 is currently doing. Right now in terms of overall library, it still hedges out the PS3 and PS4.
Shut up, fucktard.
 
To me it doesn't seem that bad because I remember the PS3 at launch and it was genuine garbage for a long ass time.
Yup. Though I had some fun with Motorstorm. It was a pretty bad launch, yeah, but it wasn't completely devoid of games. All in all, as far as first-year games go, I thought the PS3 had the 360 beat.

I imported a few things for the PS3 even back then but still it was pretty bad up until the last few years of the system.
The tail end of the PS3's lifecycle were a really great time to have one. Plus, PS3 games were always worth less than any other counterpart, so I managed to build up a sturdy collection for fairly cheap. It became my favorite system for a long time.

The PS5 imports that I have in my collection currently are of better quality than what the PS3 had to offer,
ohhhh boy okay let's not start this again

even PS5 ports are at least on par or better with the competition,
uhh, um, uh oh

where as the PS3 was known to struggle with ports.
Well yeah, but they were ultimately alright. Gaming was in a better place back then, a game "struggling" meant it had a lower resolution and framerate, but was otherwise playable. Maybe it's my rose-tinted glasses, but I feel like we didn't see nearly as many Saints Row 2022s where bugs are just everywhere, and that was generally relegated to Bethesda games - incidentally also the one company's games that you really, really shouldn't play on PS3 due to being prone to hard crashes.

Sony would have honestly killed for the PS3 to be performing as well as the PS5 is currently doing. Right now in terms of overall library, it still hedges out the PS3 and PS4.
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Number of titles played per a region on playstation during a year per a player.
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If that doesn't show Sony dropped the ball in Japan, I don't know what will.


That's because the PS4 library is compatible with the PS5.

I can count three original titles for the PS5: Rift Apart, Astro's Playroom and Demon's Souls.
Also have the great Returnal which is right now the best PS5 game, however rumors of a pc port of that one
Destruction AllStars which no one remembers for good reason

Also got Deathloop and Ghostwire, but they are on PC as well and will get a XBox port at some point.
FF7 remake got a ps5 only DLC, but still that is on PC.

Really is a poor show even taking into account just console exclusives, mean better than Xbox but Xbox right now only has one Series console exclusive so you would have to be trying hard to be worse than that. 2022 has not had one sony published PS5 only or even PS5/PC only game unless you count the over priced remake of Last of Us.
 
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If you just consider console exclusives then things go from 2/10 to 4/10. That's always seemed like a cope though, especially now with Steam Deck basically putting PC into the console space.
 
You keep saying PS3 was garbage for a long time but within 2 years it had more and better exclusives than PS5 is poised to have in the same timeframe. It has little worth upgrading for.
It maybe had more exclusives, but better? No way in hell. You had stuff like Lair and Heavenly Sword which both had heavy involvement from Sony themselves. There were multiple genuine bombs on the PS3 put out by first and second party developers. Uncharted 1 was the only one to take off from that early PS3 time period and Uncharted 1 does not hold up well.

Games like Folklore while now coveted today, did not do well back then because the game felt dated. If you were to play it today without knowing it's history, you would think that it's a PS2 game that was put out. It was very underwhelming for a lot of people. Games like Genji also didn't do well either.

There's also stuff like Afrika which maybe held up better from a gameplay perspective than most because it was about traveling an open world taking pictures of animals and there's not a whole lot you could compare it with. Mechanically the driving controls would probably be considered clunky today. That's probably the only game from the generally troubled time of the PS3 before they started to turn around 3-4 years in that maybe has aged the best.

Like what the defined the PS3 early on was that there wasn't nearly anything of real quality in both ports and exclusives.

If you just consider console exclusives then things go from 2/10 to 4/10. That's always seemed like a cope though, especially now with Steam Deck basically putting PC into the console space.
Steam Deck isn't providing competition to consoles, it doesn't exist in the majority of spaces that consoles are even sold in. It's not being sold at general retail which will hold it back from being widespread. Maybe valve will do that with the next one, but the only thing widespread with the Steamdeck are the places that will repair one.
 
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It maybe had more exclusives, but better? No way in hell. You had stuff like Lair and Heavenly Sword which both had heavy involvement from Sony themselves. There were multiple genuine bombs on the PS3 put out by first and second party developers. Uncharted 1 was the only one to take off from that early PS3 time period and Uncharted 1 does not hold up well.
Better, yes. Even Heavenly Sword shits on the likes of Destruction AllStars, your coping is out of control. And lots of shit doesn't hold up well, I guess 2600 had literally nothing by that logic.

Games like Folklore while now coveted today, did not do well back then because the game felt dated. If you were to play it today without knowing it's history, you would think that it's a PS2 game that was put out. It was very underwhelming for a lot of people. Games like Genji also didn't do well either.
You always run back to "X game didn't do well" or "doesn't hold up". We're not arguing about sales data or how well games hold up, we're talking about quantity and quality of exclusive games, and PS5 is objectively lacking in both.

There's also stuff like Afrika which maybe held up better from a gameplay perspective than most because it was about traveling an open world taking pictures of animals and there's not a whole lot you could compare it with. Mechanically the driving controls would probably be considered clunky today. That's probably the only game from the generally troubled time of the PS3 before they started to turn around 3-4 years in that maybe has aged the best.

Like what the defined the PS3 early on was that there wasn't nearly anything of real quality in both ports and exclusives.
It also had two Ratchet & Clanks, plus Disgaea and Siren entries, Metal Gear, etc.

I'm sorry but at absolute best you're looking at a tie. Pretending PS5 has more or better exclusives--especially by a large enough margin to deem PS3 as trash by comparison--is bullshit.

Steam Deck isn't providing competition to consoles, it doesn't exist in the majority of spaces that consoles are even sold in.
Who cares where it's sold? It's not like it's a secret that you can order one online.
 
It also had two Ratchet & Clanks, plus Disgaea and Siren entries, Metal Gear, etc.

I'm sorry but at absolute best you're looking at a tie. Pretending PS5 has more or better exclusives--especially by a large enough margin to deem PS3 as trash by comparison--is bullshit.
Both Disgaea and Ratchet and Clank come with a bunch of caveats if you're talking about the PS3 games.

The PS3 held some of the worst in both series. Disgaea 3 was not good(now if it's better than 6 or D2 that's a whole different argument). Disgaea 7 was already announced as coming to the PS5 next year, so that would put the PS5 with two disgaea games within a short time span. PS4 just had Disgaea 5 and then the long wait for 6 with re-release of 1 and 4 in between. While Disgaea D2 came later on in the PS3's life cycle it was also coupled with 60 dollars worth of DLC that was more than half of the main campaign's size. It was around $100-120 if you wanted the full game.

Ratchet and Clank was over extending itself during the PS3 generation and it eventually lead to All for One and Full Frontal Assault. The quality of the series roller coastered heavily between games. It wasn't sustainable as a development cycle.

Metal Gear Solid 4 was a bit of a controversial title because there was small spurts of gameplay in between hours of movies. The gameplay was good but there wasn't enough of it was the general consensus.
 
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I'm sorry but at absolute best you're looking at a tie. Pretending PS5 has more or better exclusives--especially by a large enough margin to deem PS3 as trash by comparison--is bullshit.
In the two first year of the PS3's life it had the first Uncharted, Folklore, Afrika, Wipeout HD, Valkyria Chronicles, Devil May Cry 4, Condemned 2, Hot Shots Golf, Eternal Sonata, Burnout Paradise, Disgaea 3, Siren, Eternal Sonata, Silent Hill Homecoming, GTA IV, Bioshock, Aquanauts Holiday, Dead Space and MGS 4.

@Marissa Moira is a pants-shitting retard.
 
Both Disgaea and Ratchet and Clank come with a bunch of caveats if you're talking about the PS3 games.

The PS3 held some of the worst in both series. Disgaea 3 was not good(now if it's better than 6 or D2 that's a whole different argument). Disgaea 7 was already announced as coming to the PS5 next year, so that would put the PS5 with two disgaea games within a short time span. PS4 just had Disgaea 5 and then the long wait for 6 with re-released of 1 and 4 inbetween.

Ratchet and Clank was over extending itself during the PS3 generation and it eventually lead to All for One and Full Frontal Assault. The quality of the series roller coastered heavily between games. It wasn't sustainable as a development cycle.
I don't even like any of those franchises but let's be honest, you're making excuses instead of listing the great and numerous PS5 exclusives because they're out in the woods with bigfoot.

Is Disgaea 7 a PS5 exclusive? No, it's coming to PS4 like 90% of games. In fact, Ii is not even exclusive to the PlayStation family of consoles, it's coming to Switch.

If you want to shift the discussion away from exclusives now then I'll just be chasing you in circles as you continually move the goalposts, but even then good luck getting around DMC4, MGS4, multiple Fallouts and Elder Scrolls, etc.

If it makes you feel any better, this generation is pretty shit overall aside from Nintendo.
 
I don't even like any of those franchises but let's be honest, you're making excuses instead of listing the great and numerous PS5 exclusives because they're out in the woods with bigfoot.

Is Disgaea 7 a PS5 exclusive? No, it's coming to PS4 like 90% of games. In fact, Ii is not even exclusive to the PlayStation family of consoles, it's coming to Switch.

If you want to shift the discussion away from exclusives now then I'll just be chasing you in circles as you continually move the goalposts, but even then good luck getting around DMC4, MGS4, multiple Fallouts and Elder Scrolls, etc.

If it makes you feel any better, this generation is pretty shit overall aside from Nintendo.
Ban him from the thread. Enough is enough.
 
We need a jester, he fits the bill perfectly.
It's like talking to Patrick or Lucas. He just constantly shifts the goal posts and he's retarded as fuck. Plus he deliberately picks fights, refuses to back up anything he says and constantly spouts shit that is provably incorrect. It's maddening trying to read this thread with him in it.
 
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