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I think it is cool that the PS2 component cables are identical to the PS3 component cables, so you can use your old PS2 cables on the PS3 and vice versa.
 
The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
In any case, this one extreme example does not equal buyouts happening "all the time".
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They're a pretty regular occurrence that happens every year. Small to mid sized companies get bought out more frequently than large ones, but they're usually things that most people won't be familiar with. But even companies like Nvidia have made moves on japan. IIRC even some of Japan's pharma companies were bought out by American firms.
 
Marissa Moira said:
They're a pretty regular occurrence that happens every year. Small to mid sized companies get bought out more frequently than large ones.
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Dude, I already pointed out that the only real foreign acquisitions that happen with any regularity in Japan were smaller companies. Did you even read my earlier posts before you responded, or do you have a reading comprehension problem? To quote myself:
The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
If you actually look into it, you will realize that the Japanese video game studios that have fallen to foreign ownership, like RED Entertainment and SNK, are all smaller, Japanese studios, some of which had fallen on hard times in the past.
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So you saying that means less than shit. In any case, we weren't talking about small companies. We were talking about bigger ones, that Nintendo owns stock in, like Bandai Namco. Your weak attempt to move the goalposts makes you look like an idiot...again.
 
The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
Dude, I already pointed out that the only real foreign acquisitions that happen with any regularity in Japan were smaller companies. Did you even read my earlier posts before you responded, or do you have a reading comprehension problem? To quote myself:

So you saying that means less than shit. In any case, we weren't talking about small companies. We were talking about bigger ones, that Nintendo owns stock in, like Bandai Namco. Your weak attempt to move the goalposts makes you look like an idiot...again.
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Not moving goalposts, just saying that Japanese companies selling out to foreign investors is not rare large or small.

Takeda Pharmaceutical Company was pretty large pulling in billions a year when they were bought out by Blackstone (not Blackrock).
 
Not that i really know anything about the Japanese side of economics, but i think it's telling MS hasn't had much luck with Japanese studios when they've been trying since before the original xbox and all they ultimately have to show for it is Tango Gameworks and Phantom Dust. All the shit they had planned or had the chance of making happen through the years, like True Fantasy Live, Resident Evil 4, Scalebound, the supposed SEGA partnership that was to see the xbox have Dreamcast support, didn't happen. The intense courting of jap devs that, while kinda worked, since it got them some idolmaster shit, a few shoot em ups, Blinx the mascot that they're downright ashamed of, weird stuff like the jap launch title Sneakers, and Ninja Gaiden/Dead or Alive being xbox exclusive for a few years, none of that ultimately stuck. They've been trying desperately to get the xbox brand to work in Japan since it began, and if they could have bought a Japanese dev they would've done so by now.

Oh and i guess to keep it relevant i hope MS buys off Kojima and somehow wrests Konami from Nintendo lmao.
 
The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
Seriously dude, everything you say is just fucking stupid. You vastly overstate level of foreign ownership of the Japanese economy. The fact is, major native Japanese companies are generally not foreign owned, and it is extremely rare for one to become foreign owned. The Japanese economy is highly insular towards outside companies, and there are numerous measures taken by both Corporate Japan and the Japanese government to keep it that way. Keiretsu are the most famous example and partially exist to prevent massive corporate buyouts, especially by foreign companies. And part of the way they do that is interlocking shareholdings, particularly by banks. The only noteworthy acquisition of a major Japanese company by a foreign entity in recent memory was Foxconn buying out Sharp. And everyone was shocked when it happened because everyone expected Sharp to sell out to another Japanese corporation. Part of the reason the Japanese government and Nissan colluded to remove Carlos Ghosn from power was because he was working to have Renalt takeover Nissan, and the older Japanese corpos (and Japanese government) couldn't stop him any other way. The fact that you think Japan won't act to protect marquee native companies from foreign takeover just shows how ignorant you really are.

And the only thing Japanese that Microsoft got out of the Zenimax deal was Shinji Mikami's company, Tango Gameworks, which isn't a "major" Japanese company by any stretch, but a single video game studio of just 65 people. The only reason they got that is because Tango had been bought by Zenimax when it ran into financial trouble as it was starting up, and the acquisition basically saved the company. If you actually look into it, you will realize that the Japanese video game studios that have fallen to foreign ownership, like RED Entertainment and SNK, are all smaller, Japanese studios, some of which had fallen on hard times in the past.

And with Japan actively trying to decouple itself from China, to the point of actually paying companies to remove their operations from the country (which they claim to be because of the coronavirus, but probably has more to do with the deteriorating relations between China and the West), any major Chinese investments will almost certainly face government scrutiny and be opposed by the Japanese in principle, because the Japanese, in general, hate the Chinese, and don't trust them. The only people they hate more, are Koreans. They will happily sell to them, because money is money, but having the likes of Tencent make major moves to buy up large parts of Corporate Japan just isn't happening, which is why they haven't tried to.
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I appreciate that I can blindly waltz into a thread dedicated to ridiculing a dumb company and walk out with a stronger grasp on a country's economic strategies and national pride.
 
OmnipotentStupidity said:
Also what the fuck does a pharmaceutical company have to do with vidya game companies
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People were talking about the government protecting mergers from outside companies. There's zero game companies that fall under that since they're not deemed vital where as pharma companies are. Their most recent push to revise the Japanese laws was actually started by the US under Trump in order to try and ice China out of expansion but it was all stuff relating to things like cellphone hardware, military equipment, medicine, stuff like that.

This is all hypothetical though since nobody looks like they're buying or selling. Neither Playstation or Nintendo really have expanded by making grabs like Microsoft does. They'll make smaller studio purchases on occasion but they've never really went out to buy large conglomerates like Zenimax and the like that had a bunch of other studios under it.
 
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SSF2T Old User said:
>Warner Bros.
Mortal Kombat... literally the only thing that matters, and this year is supposed to be it's 30th anniversary. If WB does nothing with it, then they deserve to be bought out.
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I think Injustice 3 might be the next one. It's usually Mortal Kombat first and then Injustice.
2011: Mortal Kombat
2013: Injustice
2015: Mortal Kombat X
2017: Injustice 2
2019: Mortal Kombat 11
But yea I agree, we should get something special for the 30th anniversary. Maybe remaster the originals or some shit like that. If not, they fucking should be bought out.
 
Really make no sense XBox to go after Japanese companies, a very small market for their games in both the West and Japan on MS platforms. They have been trying to grow that fan base in the West by getting series like Dragon Quest and Yakuza on both Xbox and gamepass but MS know if those series were XBOX/PC only most of them would be huge flops, they need Playstation and/or Nintendo to make money just XBOX/PC is becoming a way to get nice extra sales especially PC.

The only Japanese companies that it would make some sense for MS to go after is Sega just for their PC studios and getting their backlog of games especially those from the other consoles for Gamepass, and guess ips like Sonic would be useful to MS. And Capcom because most of their games are far bigger in the west now, even Monster Hunter World was bigger here than Japan so I doubt a pc/xbox only release would kill most of their ips.

However, one area I could see Xbox/MS actually gain traction in Japan is cloud gaming, Japan for the last 10+ years has been moving more to portable gaming, so having a way to play console-level games on their phones/tablets could be a way in especially if MS has a good line up of Japanese games and you are able to stream games not part of gamepass if you already own them.

This is one area Sony has dropped the ball despite being first to it, PS Now for online streaming really isn't good and it isn't even on phones, hell they could have put it on the vita when that was still a thing but nope. They do have ps4 remote play which does have a phone app but this feature seems really poorly marketed.

I don't think console gaming is going to make a big comeback anytime soon outside a form factor of the switch where it is able to do both, this why Sony really need to get their shit together with stuff like PS Now both in terms of quality and marketing.
 
Product Placement said:
Really make no sense XBox to go after Japanese companies, a very small market for their games in both the West and Japan on MS platforms. They have been trying to grow that fan base in the West by getting series like Dragon Quest and Yakuza on both Xbox and gamepass but MS know if those series were XBOX/PC only most of them would be huge flops, they need Playstation and/or Nintendo to make money just XBOX/PC is becoming a way to get nice extra sales especially PC.

The only Japanese companies that it would make some sense for MS to go after is Sega just for their PC studios and getting their backlog of games especially those from the other consoles for Gamepass, and guess ips like Sonic would be useful to MS. And Capcom because most of their games are far bigger in the west now, even Monster Hunter World was bigger here than Japan so I doubt a pc/xbox only release would kill most of their ips.

However, one area I could see Xbox/MS actually gain traction in Japan is cloud gaming, Japan for the last 10+ years has been moving more to portable gaming, so having a way to play console-level games on their phones/tablets could be a way in especially if MS has a good line up of Japanese games and you are able to stream games not part of gamepass if you already own them.

This is one area Sony has dropped the ball despite being first to it, PS Now for online streaming really isn't good and it isn't even on phones, hell they could have put it on the vita when that was still a thing but nope. They do have ps4 remote play which does have a phone app but this feature seems really poorly marketed.

I don't think console gaming is going to make a big comeback anytime soon outside a form factor of the switch where it is able to do both, this why Sony really need to get their shit together with stuff like PS Now both in terms of quality and marketing.
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Japanese console games sell better in the west than in Japan at the moment.

MS being able to say that Yakuza/Sonic/Persona/SMT/Final Fantasy are now Xbox exclusive would be a huge blow to Sony.
 
I now have my third ps5. Two fucking times I had to send it to Sony because it kept crashing when playing ps5 games while PS4 games made no issue. It crashes with an error „ce-108262-9“
Forces you to restore the database (doesn’t work) and maybe even reinstall the console operating system (also doesn’t work).
These are the „tips“ you get if you get this error a lot:
- have no controller and no external Garderobe plugged in on the console.
- don’t use the restmode as it does seem to produce those crashes with some units.
So basically those things are less likely to properly function than a fucking ps4 pro.

I don’t even want to talk about the fucking coilwhine when playing ps5 games, depending what’s happening in the screen it’s not as bad to „wtf is a big bug flying in my ps5 all the time?

As for solutions: i changed out my expansion ssd from Samsung to western digital and it works for the moment, let’s see the next time the service person for sure already knows my name.
Sony fuck you for making me send a system so many times to your stupid asses.
At the moment if I could switch to an Xbox series x I would.

Edit: those that got sent back to me were other ones with a different serial-nr.
 
trent said:
Japanese console games sell better in the west than in Japan at the moment.

MS being able to say that Yakuza/Sonic/Persona/SMT/Final Fantasy are now Xbox exclusive would be a huge blow to Sony.
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In the case of SMT and Yakuza it would kill those ips. FF would lose lots of sales but would be fine however Dragon Quest would also be a dead ip.

Sales really depend on the ips, stuff like FF games have done better in the west since FF7. While Dragon Quest does far better in Japan. NieR is another that does better in the west now and did do very well on pc, sold over 6 million copies in total but not sure about the total sales for PC outside as July 2017 it is past half-million on steam.

Yakuza and Persona are for sure doing better in the west thanks to a boost from the PS4 and in the case of Yakuza getting PC ports, but can't find anything that they are doing better in the west compared to japan but they still need that Japanese market which they would lose if MS was to buy Sega.

The console market is getting smaller in Japan while the handheld market is growing, so wouldn't be shocked if all those ips outside Dragon Quest did start to sell better in the West within this gen unless companies like Sony have a plan in mind to grow cloud gaming on mobile devices or if they are cross-platform with the next-gen Switch.

I agree it would be a blow to Sony but would also be a pointless waste of money in order to do that and businesses are about making money rather than damaging your rivals.

Absolutetense said:
I now have my third ps5. Two fucking times I had to send it to Sony because it kept crashing when playing ps5 games while PS4 games made no issue. It crashes with an error „ce-108262-9“
Forces you to restore the database (doesn’t work) and maybe even reinstall the console operating system (also doesn’t work).
These are the „tips“ you get if you get this error a lot:
- have no controller and no external Garderobe plugged in on the console.
- don’t use the restmode as it does seem to produce those crashes with some units.
So basically those things are less likely to properly function than a fucking ps4 pro.

I don’t even want to talk about the fucking coilwhine when playing ps5 games, depending what’s happening in the screen it’s not as bad to „wtf is a big bug flying in my ps5 all the time?

As for solutions: i changed out my expansion ssd from Samsung to western digital and it works for the moment, let’s see the next time the service person for sure already knows my name.
Sony fuck you for making me send a system so many times to your stupid asses.
At the moment if I could switch to an Xbox series x I would.
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That sucks, had no issues with the PS5 itself but have with the controller, had it for 3 months and it got awful stick drift. I tried to fix it myself and clean it which fixed the issue for all of 5 minutes but thankfully was able to get a free replacement but had to go to the shop I bought it from to do so as it's a nightmare to contact Sony. I couldn't even find out the times the sony helpline were open and every time I did fine was wrong.

The only time I've has my PS5 be loud is when I tried to play Last of Us 1 by disc but pretty sure that was an issue with the disc because it has had no issue with any other game or any movie disc I have put in it.
 
Product Placement said:
The console market is getting smaller in Japan while the handheld market is growing, so wouldn't be shocked if all those ips outside Dragon Quest did start to sell better in the West within this gen unless companies like Sony have a plan in mind to grow cloud gaming on mobile devices or if they are cross-platform with the next-gen Switch.
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Home consoles wouldn't have any problem in the country of the rising sun if they continued to have (a lot of) games released that did catch the attention of the audience there.
The form factor alone isn't a guarantee of success for a system if there isn't a sizable and diverse collection of games to back it up. The Playstation consoles were popular because there were tons of games of all sorts releasing, many small ones in-between each big hitter. The focus on high-fidelity graphics, in an industry that struggled with the transition to HD since the 7th gen, was bound to make games appear less and less over time with all the extended development time and higher budgets (which also mean less risks taken and less experimentation), not to mention nippon companies going under or getting merged. This is part of why many japanese companies retreated to console handhelds like the PSP and DS back in the day.

trent said:
Japanese console games sell better in the west than in Japan at the moment.
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Marissa Moira pls
+30 countries altogether could likely to beat Japan in total numbers, but it's hard to make such claims as a general truth when true hard data is only available through Famitsu/Media Creates for the japanese market (which have actual sell-through numbers and an estimated percentage of the remaining stock for each game charting in the Top 30). There doesn't seem to be such equivalent counterpart for any of the western countries, and this is not to mention that digital sales aren't well tracked precisely either.

It's also best to take the "X million" claims from game companies with a grain of salt considering they take well into account both shipments (which imply stock shipments to retailers) and digital sales, without any further precise data. Even such official statements seem to indicate that Japan alone makes up a large portion of those game sales in most cases when comparing with Famitsu.
 
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Why are used PS4s still so expensive? the PS5 has been out for over a year now
 
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