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that's what I mean, if cod stops existing tomorrow on playstation there's nothing microsoft would gain from that, or worse damage the IP for good. if they want to make the same money as before they need to move over that customer base first, and that's much easier said that done (switching over is much harder when it means buying a new box of overpriced scalped hardware while leaving all your existing games and social circle behind).

sure, they would deprive sony of a moneymaker, but at what cost? not that microsoft couldn't do it with the fuck you money it has, but as much sheeple as those normies are they still remember that shit somewhere.

there's also contracts, microsoft can't just pull shit because "lol new owner, suck it". again, not to mention the bad PR. expect to see an effect a bit after the merger is done, like stuff releasing earlier on xbox, dlc only appearing only a certain console (which is something sony paid money for in the past for example) and other fun shenanigans to lessen the value of the playstation version - if the game gets released there in the first place.
As I put "Any sale lost from CoD could be offset from MS selling the Xbox hardware, so they will likely be prepared to lose some sales of the game if that is the case.", MS made the same calculations when they bought Bethesda in regards to driving people to Xbox hardware and gamepass which is why stuff like Starfield and The Elder Scrolls VI will be XBOX/PC only.

Now Activision is a very different beast, and what made sense financially with Bethesda may not be with them. The only safe thing to say right now is any GaaS will be on PlayStation, outside that who knows. I could see MS using CoD as a way to get a version of Gamepass on Playstation (and Nintendo) which is something Phil Spencer has talked about wanting. Also could see CoD coming to Playstation a month later or the Xbox/pc version having some exclusive content.

Contracts come to an end and once they do MS will have the freedom to do what they want with it. If Sony is smart they will prepare for the worst-case scenario and use the next 3 years or when ever the contracts expire to build up a library first-party FPS games.

I just find it funny that Crash and Spyro are now owned by Xbox.
Don't forget Tony Hawk those games were heavily linked to Playstation back in the day as well.
 
It’s even more funny when Smash Bros fans on Nintendo still find themselves copeposting as to why both of them are still not in Smash Ultimate
>Smash Autism in general
They better have a lifetime supply of copium because if Sakurai saying he's worn out and no new smash plans are in the works is anything to go by (Not to mention certain 3rd parties were a fucking bitch and a half to cooperate with), they ain't ever seeing any of their favorite mascots in Smash.
 
since I just saw those posts: public euro tv stations produced anime in cooperation with japan in the fucking 70's. on top of that europe always had a much more diverse and broader comic industry, and even with that better foundation (compared to the mostly capeshit centric us market) got taken over by anime in the early 00's when the market stagnated. and that's also ignoring all the local stuff that got distributed the whole time. fucking moomins have a theme park in japan.

there's isn't a euro around who doesn't know fucking maya the honey bee or heidi (ffs the miyazaki worked on that, after trying to get a fucking pippi longstockings anime going of all things).

saying yurop has no connection to japan is peak ignorance.
Agree and there's even a relevant link: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bad-tattoos.67475/post-10966203
 
The only safe thing to say right now is any GaaS will be on PlayStation, outside that who knows. I could see MS using CoD as a way to get a version of Gamepass on Playstation (and Nintendo) which is something Phil Spencer has talked about wanting. Also could see CoD coming to Playstation a month later or the Xbox/pc version having some exclusive content.
And you people question what Sweeney is doing trying to break up an oligarchy?
 
And you people question what Sweeney is doing trying to break up an oligarchy?
Talking about the Epic store? Not sure you got the idea I was aginst Epic Game store.

I'm all for Steam rivals, also have a GoG account and buy steam codes from many other places outside of steam. Epic Store just has a lot of issues that I hope they sort out and once they do I will happily buy games from them rather than just collecting the free games they offer.

This just happened last month, when they were down any game you own was unplayable on Epic. I don't like the idea of paying for games I may be unable to play and need to see Epic fix that .


With that said I'm really looking forward to Epic becoming a publisher as they are doing with Alan Wake 2 and Fumito Ueda next game, hope they can fix the Epic Game Store up by the time they come out.
 
Talking about the Epic store? Not sure you got the idea I was aginst Epic Game store.

I'm all for Steam rivals, also have a GoG account and buy steam codes from many other places outside of steam. Epic Store just has a lot of issues that I hope they sort out and once they do I will happily buy games from them rather than just collecting the free games they offer.

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With that said I'm really looking forward to Epic becoming a publisher as they are doing with Alan Wake 2 and Fumito Ueda next game, hope they can fix the Epic Game Store up by the time they come out.
Sweeney is trying hard and he is putting his own money into it, Gabe is just getting fatter doing nothing. Imagine if Carmack or Broussard did the same thing as the unsung hero Tim Sweeney.
 
Sweeney is trying hard and he is putting his own money into it, Gabe is just getting fatter doing nothing. Imagine if Carmack or Broussard did the same thing as the unsung hero Tim Sweeney.
Buying up exclusives for your store with Fortnite bucks so people are forced to go there instead of actually improving your launcher is not "trying hard."
 
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It must be some kind of zoomer revisionism. Europe, SEA and latin America are way ahead of the US and canada in terms of japanese manga and tv.
What's hilarious about this argument is it doesn't take into account the huge as fuck stigma Americans had towards Japanese shit back in the 80s. Like a ton of Japanese companies had to disguise both their company(SETA corporation, for example) and games to obfuscate the japanese involvement, hence shit like Totally Rad and Howard Philips. and if video games were getting that kind of treatment, you can bet your ass anime was NOT any better.
 
Huh, I didn't know gamepads were region locked. That's the only region locked controller I've ever heard of.

Nintendo was really arbitrary with region locking anyway. All three Game Boys and the original DS were region free, but the 3DS was region locked, but also the 3DS could play foreign DS games just fine. And now the Switch is just totally region free.

Incidentally, PlayStation was like that too, with PS3 being region free, yet maintaining the regional lockout for PS1 & 2 games for no reason. Which seems especially nuts, considering how I'm pretty certain the PS1 support is 100% emulated, and most PS1 discs were out of production before the PS3 even launched.

Speaking of PlayStation's regional lockout, was it the PS3 or 4 that seriously ended up with like four or five games total with region locking? I remember reading about a Persona spinoff having it. @Marissa Moira I'm sure you know the list off the top of your head, and while you're at it you should also post that short list of PS1 games that have problems running on the PS2, like FF5 and Arcade Party Pak

edit: and while i'm here, look at how fucking 90's this CD is:
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I believe the region locking is a little justified in the 80s and 90s. particularly because of the tv formatting NTSC 60, PAL-50.
 
Realistically if Sony made the snap decision that they need to buy a publisher and quick, the best I can see them doing is Square Enix and even then that would probably be too steep for them to pay for.
Just going to quote what I said in the actual Microsoft buyout thread:

Any acquisition, of any Japanese company, would have to go through Nintendo, because they are a shareholder IN DAMN NEAR ALL OF THEM. Go down to page 44 in the annual report linked and check their stockholdings on that page and the ensuing two pages; Nintendo own stock in BANDAI NAMCO, KADOKAWA CORPORATION, SQUARE ENIX, KONAMI, KOEI TECMO, and DeNA. Ironically, the only major Japanese video game companies they don't own stock in are Sega Sammy, Capcom, and, of course, Sony. More than likely, any attempt to acquire any of those companies would be blocked by Nintendo or elicit some other response, like a counter proposal.
 
I believe the region locking is a little justified in the 80s and 90s. particularly because of the tv formatting NTSC 60, PAL-50.
Japan has the same TV standards as the USA & Canada, and a lot of older games either didn't need you to know the language, or were (oddly) in English anyway. Super Metroid and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out are two examples of that.
 
Japan has the same TV standards as the USA & Canada, and a lot of older games either didn't need you to know the language, or were (oddly) in English anyway. Super Metroid and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out are two examples of that.
while yeah, us and jp uses ntsc 60 standard, euro uses pal-50 though. and i've tried before using pal games on ntsc tv, and it was a miserable experience. the colors are off, sometimes games are flipped, the response times are not really good.

HD era brought the universal standard of 60hz tv screen, so I think that's why on xbox360 generation didnt have much of region locking unless you're a petty dev like Cave
 
while yeah, us and jp uses ntsc 60 standard, euro uses pal-50 though. and i've tried before using pal games on ntsc tv, and it was a miserable experience. the colors are off, sometimes games are flipped, the response times are not really good.

HD era brought the universal standard of 60hz tv screen, so I think that's why on xbox360 generation didnt have much of region locking unless you're a petty dev like Cave
You are missing one thing though: Why would Sony, Philips, Panasonic etc. make two different types of hardware for two different regions when they could save money and make one piece of hardware that just switched between PAL and NTSC? Accept both formats. They're often made in the same place and same assembly line after all so it makes sense to create a component like that just like it makes to create a power supply that can take voltages from all regions.

I used a wood panel PAL TV made in 19?? and there were no issues with NTSC systems. From there one I did the same with many imported consoles and I never even bothered to worry about my Sanyo CRT or whatever not supporting NTSC 60. When I played PAL Secret of Mana(after playing a lot of my NTSC version), I wasn't really aware of PAL/NTSC differences in games, so it felt slow and I couldn't put my finger on it.
I have only encountered one PAL TV that had trouble with NTSC and everything worked just fine except it was black and white, that was fixed with a different set of cables(SCART!) and the colors are off on your NTSC set because it's short for Never The Same Color.
 
Just going to quote what I said in the actual Microsoft buyout thread:

Any acquisition, of any Japanese company, would have to go through Nintendo, because they are a shareholder IN DAMN NEAR ALL OF THEM. Go down to page 44 in the annual report linked and check their stockholdings on that page and the ensuing two pages; Nintendo own stock in BANDAI NAMCO, KADOKAWA CORPORATION, SQUARE ENIX, KONAMI, KOEI TECMO, and DeNA. Ironically, the only major Japanese video game companies they don't own stock in are Sega Sammy, Capcom, and, of course, Sony. More than likely, any attempt to acquire any of those companies would be blocked by Nintendo or elicit some other response, like a counter proposal.
30-40% of the Japanese economy is already foreign owned. The fact that people think is something impossible to penetrate is bizarre(this isn't even taking into consideration just how attached the Japanese economy is to the US Economy). Fuck Microsoft owns some japanese companies through it's purchase of Zenimax who already bought out a few Japanese companies years before.

Just because companies share some stock doesn't mean that they're able to block a deal on that size. Every nation has some form of failsafe from hostile takeovers, but games are not one of those things. China is already buying heavily into Japan and other countries to establish it's own development studios.
 
30-40% of the Japanese economy is already foreign owned. The fact that people think is something impossible to penetrate is bizarre(this isn't even taking into consideration just how attached the Japanese economy is to the US Economy). Fuck Microsoft owns some japanese companies through it's purchase of Zenimax who already bought out a few Japanese companies years before.

Just because companies share some stock doesn't mean that they're able to block a deal on that size. Every nation has some form of failsafe from hostile takeovers, but games are not one of those things. China is already buying heavily into Japan and other countries to establish it's own development studios.
Seriously dude, everything you say is just fucking stupid. You vastly overstate level of foreign ownership of the Japanese economy. The fact is, major native Japanese companies are generally not foreign owned, and it is extremely rare for one to become foreign owned. The Japanese economy is highly insular towards outside companies, and there are numerous measures taken by both Corporate Japan and the Japanese government to keep it that way. Keiretsu are the most famous example and partially exist to prevent massive corporate buyouts, especially by foreign companies. And part of the way they do that is interlocking shareholdings, particularly by banks. The only noteworthy acquisition of a major Japanese company by a foreign entity in recent memory was Foxconn buying out Sharp. And everyone was shocked when it happened because everyone expected Sharp to sell out to another Japanese corporation. Part of the reason the Japanese government and Nissan colluded to remove Carlos Ghosn from power was because he was working to have Renalt takeover Nissan, and the older Japanese corpos (and Japanese government) couldn't stop him any other way. The fact that you think Japan won't act to protect marquee native companies from foreign takeover just shows how ignorant you really are.

And the only thing Japanese that Microsoft got out of the Zenimax deal was Shinji Mikami's company, Tango Gameworks, which isn't a "major" Japanese company by any stretch, but a single video game studio of just 65 people. The only reason they got that is because Tango had been bought by Zenimax when it ran into financial trouble as it was starting up, and the acquisition basically saved the company. If you actually look into it, you will realize that the Japanese video game studios that have fallen to foreign ownership, like RED Entertainment and SNK, are all smaller, Japanese studios, some of which had fallen on hard times in the past.

And with Japan actively trying to decouple itself from China, to the point of actually paying companies to remove their operations from the country (which they claim to be because of the coronavirus, but probably has more to do with the deteriorating relations between China and the West), any major Chinese investments will almost certainly face government scrutiny and be opposed by the Japanese in principle, because the Japanese, in general, hate the Chinese, and don't trust them. The only people they hate more, are Koreans. They will happily sell to them, because money is money, but having the likes of Tencent make major moves to buy up large parts of Corporate Japan just isn't happening, which is why they haven't tried to.
 
Seriously dude, everything you say is just fucking stupid. You vastly overstate level of foreign ownership of the Japanese economy. The fact is, major native Japanese companies are generally not foreign owned, and it is extremely rare for one to become foreign owned. The Japanese economy is highly insular towards outside companies, and there are numerous measures taken by both Corporate Japan and the Japanese government to keep it that way. Keiretsu are the most famous example and partially exist to prevent massive corporate buyouts, especially by foreign companies. And part of the way they do that is interlocking shareholdings, particularly by banks. The only noteworthy acquisition of a major Japanese company by a foreign entity in recent memory was Foxconn buying out Sharp. And everyone was shocked when it happened because everyone expected Sharp to sell out to another Japanese corporation. Part of the reason the Japanese government and Nissan colluded to remove Carlos Ghosn from power was because he was working to have Renalt takeover Nissan, and the older Japanese corpos (and Japanese government) couldn't stop him any other way. The fact that you think Japan won't act to protect marquee native companies from foreign takeover just shows how ignorant you really are.

And the only thing Japanese that Microsoft got out of the Zenimax deal was Shinji Mikami's company, Tango Gameworks, which isn't a "major" Japanese company by any stretch, but a single video game studio of just 65 people. The only reason they got that is because Tango had been bought by Zenimax when it ran into financial trouble as it was starting up, and the acquisition basically saved the company. If you actually look into it, you will realize that the Japanese video game studios that have fallen to foreign ownership, like RED Entertainment and SNK, are all smaller, Japanese studios, some of which had fallen on hard times in the past.

And with Japan actively trying to decouple itself from China, to the point of actually paying companies to remove their operations from the country (which they claim to be because of the coronavirus, but probably has more to do with the deteriorating relations between China and the West), any major Chinese investments will almost certainly face government scrutiny and be opposed by the Japanese in principle, because the Japanese, in general, hate the Chinese, and don't trust them. The only people they hate more, are Koreans. They will happily sell to them, because money is money, but having the likes of Tencent make major moves to buy up large parts of Corporate Japan just isn't happening, which is why they haven't tried to.
Except Japan is actively promoting foreign investment and has been for awhile now because they don't want another lost decade. If you want hours of fun scroll through their financial numbers. Foreign investment still goes up year by year.

I dunno dude you're pretty dead set on taking the urban legend of Japanese investment that started on Gamefaqs and seem to think it's shining example of how businesses are supposed to work. I mean it's not how things are going to play out, considering all these are international businesses. Tencent already has loads of deals with japanese companies including Nintendo. They'll do what they need to do to grow every quarter, any sense of nationalism doesn't play a part in that.
 
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Except Japan is actively promoting foreign investment and has been for awhile now because they don't want another lost decade. If you want hours of fun scroll through their financial numbers. Foreign investment still goes up year by year.

I dunno dude you're pretty dead set on taking the urban legend of Japanese investment that started on Gamefaqs and seem to think it's shining of how businesses are supposed to work.
Foreign investment isn't the same as foreign ownership, or buying out companies you nonce. Nintendo has foreign investors. One of its largest shareholders is the The Vanguard Group, an American investment firm. But The Vanguard Group doesn't own Nintendo. You know who its other large shareholders are? Japanese finance, in particular, Japanese banks, particularly The Bank of Kyoto. Remember what I said about Japanese banks owning stock as a way of shoring up against foreign ownership? You know absolutely nothing about how Japanese business actually works and pretend to lecture me? Stay in your lane Moira and be the dumb little Sony fanboy you are. Don't pretend to understand the particular's of a nation's economic policy.
 
Foreign investment isn't the same as foreign ownership, or buying out companies you nonce. Nintendo has foreign investors. One of its largest shareholders is the The Vanguard Group, an American investment firm. But The Vanguard Group doesn't own Nintendo. You know who its other large shareholders are? Japanese finance, in particular, Japanese banks, particularly The Bank of Kyoto. Remember what I said about Japanese banks owning stock as a way of shoring up against foreign ownership? You know absolutely nothing about how Japanese business actually works and pretend to lecture me? Stay in your lane Moira and be the dumb little Sony fanboy you are. Don't pretend to understand the particular's of a nation's economic policy.
Foreign investment does include ownership, because it is also stuff like Nissan being owned 50% by Renault. Having a heavily invested stake by outside countries is what many large companies want.


Japanese companies allow buyouts and stuff all the time dude.
 
Foreign investment is also stuff like Nissan being owned 50% by Renault.


Japanese companies allow buyouts and stuff all the time dude.
And as I have already told you, the Japanese government and Nissan basically colluded together to remove Carlos Ghosn because he wanted Renalt to own all of it. The alliance has been shaky since his ouster. And the only reason the alliance happened in the first place was because Nissan was in such bad shape, it was in danger of collapsing. The Japanese government actually tried to bring in Honda to save the company and they refused to do it. Nissan was so bad, even the Japanese government couldn't save it. That's why Nissan even turned to Renalt and Ghosn was brought in; because nobody else could save the company. In any case, this one extreme example does not equal buyouts happening "all the time".
 
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