Sony hate thread

[Marissa Moira]

Still mindbroken to the point of denying reality ?

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Third-parties on Switch also made up an estimated amount of +8.7 million physical copies sold last year in Japan.
By comparison, the total amount of PS4 game softwares was roughly around 1.8 million copies (and 470k for PS5)

I just said top 10 was pretty much all Nintendo games, and lo and behold it's literally all Nintendo games.

You just proved my point, the generations prior with nintendo systems had a larger variety of developers be on par with Nintendo's own games. You had companies like Square Enix sell as much as Nintendo's first party games in multiple slots. Monster Hunter is the only Capcom game up there, capcom used to have 5 or 6 titles for system sellers.

I can understand the switch being your first outing with Nintendo, but this is the same fare they've been offering since the gamecube and wii. There's very few differences in quality and variety between what the Switch has and the wii had in terms of overall library. I mean granted the wii got two real mario games which has not happened since, but other than that from the large to small titles it's been pretty similar in output.

Wii had stuff like Castle Shikigami 3, Last Story, Zack and Wiki, and a load of other stuff. Most of it very middling.

 

[Sparky Lurker]

If anybody noticed, there is only five western AAA publishers left (Warner Bros, Ubisoft, Eletronic Arts, Take Two and Embracer Group), I can see Phil going into a power trip one more time.

This really was the worst time for the Playstation brand go full west, the only eastern companies I see choosing them over Nintendo to develop more hardware demanding games are Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Capcom and Sega/Atlus.

Nintendo conquers the East, Xbox buys out the West, Tencent eats the leftovers and Playstation fully depends from half-dozen western first parties and Square Enix not shitting themselves to carry their brand, pretty much a difficult challenge to Jim.

 

[Pissmaster]

Thank you for reminding me of this gem from the big N

https://youtube.com/watch?v=90Bs-nHu6qg:353
Region. Locked. Gamepad.
With sony you're dealing with retarded morons running a former empire into the ground. Nintendo OTOH is a cultist leader, very much happy to have its fans drink poison to get on that asteroid UFO to the mushroom kingdom.

Huh, I didn't know gamepads were region locked. That's the only region locked controller I've ever heard of.

Nintendo was really arbitrary with region locking anyway. All three Game Boys and the original DS were region free, but the 3DS was region locked, but also the 3DS could play foreign DS games just fine. And now the Switch is just totally region free.

Incidentally, PlayStation was like that too, with PS3 being region free, yet maintaining the regional lockout for PS1 & 2 games for no reason. Which seems especially nuts, considering how I'm pretty certain the PS1 support is 100% emulated, and most PS1 discs were out of production before the PS3 even launched.

Speaking of PlayStation's regional lockout, was it the PS3 or 4 that seriously ended up with like four or five games total with region locking? I remember reading about a Persona spinoff having it. @Marissa Moira I'm sure you know the list off the top of your head, and while you're at it you should also post that short list of PS1 games that have problems running on the PS2, like FF5 and Arcade Party Pak

edit: and while i'm here, look at how fucking 90's this CD is:

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Huh, I didn't know gamepads were region locked. That's the only region locked controller I've ever heard of.

Nintendo was really arbitrary with region locking anyway. All three Game Boys and the original DS were region free, but the 3DS was region locked, but also the 3DS could play foreign DS games just fine. And now the Switch is just totally region free.

I remember Nintendo's reasoning for region free handhelds was that kids would take their gameboy with them when going on vacation with their parents and they might end up buying a game in a different region. The thing Nintendo was afraid of was companies importing from one region and selling it in another.

 

[Pissmaster]

I remember Nintendo's reasoning for region free handhelds was that kids would take their gameboy with them when going on vacation with their parents and they might end up buying a game in a different region. The thing Nintendo was afraid of was companies importing from one region and selling it in another.

Yup. It makes sense for the pre-internet era, though buying games online wasn't an exotic thing anymore by around like 2006, and it just seems like such a gerontocratic thing for Nintendo to keep up regional lockout into the 2010s. Mainly, it's the 3DS that really confused me, like why all of the sudden have region locking when no other portables did? Come to think of it, I think the 3DS might be the only region-locked portable overall.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

If anybody noticed, there is only five western AAA publishers left (Warner Bros, Ubisoft, Eletronic Arts, Take Two and Embracer Group), I can see Phil going into a power trip one more time.

>Warner Bros.
Mortal Kombat... literally the only thing that matters, and this year is supposed to be it's 30th anniversary. If WB does nothing with it, then they deserve to be bought out.
>EA
I mean, if Microsoft really wants to own shit, then hey more power to them. Majority of that shit is micro-transaction riddled garbage, but maybe they can fix the issues going on with their SPORTSBALL games like Madden.
>Ubisoft
Gotta be honest, not completely 100% sure what these people have other than Rayman and the "Just Dance" series.

 

[woowie queen]

>Ubisoft
Gotta be honest, not completely 100% sure what these people have other than Rayman and the "Just Dance" series.

assasin's creed?

 

[Buttigieg2020]

I am honestly surprised there isnt a sony retards thread

That’s the Neogaf/Resetera thread. Here

 

[Celebrate Nite]

assasin's creed?

Oh right, the series that keeps getting worse and worse with each new game.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

They’ve always been kinda shit, but only really shined when their competitors were going full retard, like N64 using carts and Xbox mandating the Kinect

That's a pretty good point. As much as I personally like N64, Saturn, GameCube, and Dreamcast, those were obviously weak competition and that probably helped Sony more than anything. They'd likely have been eaten alive just one generation prior to their debut.

 

[The Last Stand]

>Ubisoft
Gotta be honest, not completely 100% sure what these people have other than Rayman and the "Just Dance" series.

Rainbow Six: Siege and Assassin's Creed. It would be smart for Ubisoft to be competitive with either console since UPlay+ is faltering.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Huh, I didn't know gamepads were region locked. That's the only region locked controller I've ever heard of.

Nintendo was really arbitrary with region locking anyway. All three Game Boys and the original DS were region free, but the 3DS was region locked, but also the 3DS could play foreign DS games just fine. And now the Switch is just totally region free.

Incidentally, PlayStation was like that too, with PS3 being region free, yet maintaining the regional lockout for PS1 & 2 games for no reason. Which seems especially nuts, considering how I'm pretty certain the PS1 support is 100% emulated, and most PS1 discs were out of production before the PS3 even launched.

Speaking of PlayStation's regional lockout, was it the PS3 or 4 that seriously ended up with like four or five games total with region locking? I remember reading about a Persona spinoff having it. @Marissa Moira I'm sure you know the list off the top of your head, and while you're at it you should also post that short list of PS1 games that have problems running on the PS2, like FF5 and Arcade Party Pak

edit: and while i'm here, look at how fucking 90's this CD is:
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Persona 5 had region locking but Persona 5 Royal did not IIRC. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Eyes of Heaven had this weird form of region locking where multiplayer was region locked but single player was not, the games would not connect online unless both versions of the game were the same, had nothing to do with account or system regions. Incidentally you can change the system region to your playstation 4 like 3 times before it locks out out from permanently changing it ever again, this does not change the region of the blu-ray drive however. Blu-ray movies are region locked with Japan and US being the same region while Europe is on a different region entirely and therefore will not run movies on a US or Japan system.

PS1 discs were not out of production when the PS3 was current, there was quite a few reprints that happened. Shadow Tower being one of them where the game was heavily discounted and a budget release that would go for under 20 bucks. 40+ Million PS2s were sold at the time after the PS3 launched so PS1 as a platform was stillt technically getting limited support. In comparison they're only producing 1 million PS4s for 2022 to PS5s which will be produced in the tens of millions.

As far as Demo Discs go, the very first PS1 demo disc that was given out(the one with the t-rex demo and manta ray demo) had dual interactivity with your PC or CD Player and you could download Korn songs from it. So unless you have a disc drive you can't access half the content on the disc.

 

[Anachronistic]

>Ubisoft
Gotta be honest, not completely 100% sure what these people have other than Rayman and the "Just Dance" series.

Waiting for the next Rayman where you gotta climb towers to unlock the next level.

 

[Product Placement]

If anybody noticed, there is only five western AAA publishers left (Warner Bros, Ubisoft, Eletronic Arts, Take Two and Embracer Group), I can see Phil going into a power trip one more time.

This really was the worst time for the Playstation brand go full west, the only eastern companies I see choosing them over Nintendo to develop more hardware demanding games are Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Capcom and Sega/Atlus.

Nintendo conquers the East, Xbox buys out the West, Tencent eats the leftovers and Playstation fully depends from half-dozen western first parties and Square Enix not shitting themselves to carry their brand, pretty much a difficult challenge to Jim.

WB is a mid-size publisher, a few other mid-size ones such as Focus Entertainment as well.

MS move to buy Activision, I expect it will force Sony to buy Take Two or Ubisoft. Also wouldn't be shocked to see Tencent buy one of them or EA. The gaming oligopoly is coming and likely will be as bad as it has been for movies.

I expect the next-gen switch whenever that comes out for most Japanese games to target that but with PS5/PC ports. So don't see Japanese devs going full in on Nintendo, more so not going only PlayStation or pushing graphics hard.

Really don't think Sony will be too hurt by this, they have a game in the works from ex CoD so could help a little fill the gap if CoD does go XBOX only. And if they do buy another of the big publishers that will also help combat that.

Sales lost from CoD being XBOX only will likely be made up of people from emerging game markets. With that said XBOX could become the market leader very easily, just doubtful PlayStation will do worse than they did with the PS4 even if that happens.

It's going to be customers that don't benefit from the upcoming oligopoly, the companies will be laughing all the way to the bank if they can afford to play.

 

[Titos]

WB is a mid-size publisher, a few other mid-size ones such as Focus Entertainment as well.

MS move to buy Activision, I expect it will force Sony to buy Take Two or Ubisoft. Also wouldn't be shocked to see Tencent buy one of them or EA. The gaming oligopoly is coming and likely will be as bad as it has been for movies.

I expect the next-gen switch whenever that comes out for most Japanese games to target that but with PS5/PC ports. So don't see Japanese devs going full in on Nintendo, more so not going only PlayStation or pushing graphics hard.

Really don't think Sony will be too hurt by this, they have a game in the works from ex CoD so could help a little fill the gap if CoD does go XBOX only. And if they do buy another of the big publishers that will also help combat that.

Sales lost from CoD being XBOX only will likely be made up of people from emerging game markets. With that said XBOX could become the market leader very easily, just doubtful PlayStation will do worse than they did with the PS4 even if that happens.

It's going to be customers that don't benefit from the upcoming oligopoly, the companies will be laughing all the way to the bank if they can afford to play.

Take Two isn't going to sell to anyone, and it wouldn't even be worth it to buy them outside of Rockstar and even then Rockstar has lost alot of it's leadership which made the games special in the first place like Leslie Benzies and one of the Houser Bros. Outside of that all Take Two really has are sports games which aren't going to be allowed to be made exclusive since the NBA would say fuck off just like the MLB did recently.

The reasons the Activision buyout could be really important for Sony is they are potentially losing some big IPs that draw normies to consoles like CoD. If those people don't buy a PS5 because no CoD, then their friends probably won't either. So they'll be losing not only CoD sales but their cut for general sales for other normie games like Fifa. They are almost basically losing entire genres. There's not really any big FPS series available for PS if CoD goes exclusive outside of Battlefield which has been self-immolating over the last 2 entries. They've also lost almost all WRPGs outside of Larian, Spiders, and Piranha Bytes which are much smaller in appeal than stuff like TES, Fallout, etc.

Realistically if Sony made the snap decision that they need to buy a publisher and quick, the best I can see them doing is Square Enix and even then that would probably be too steep for them to pay for.

 

[Product Placement]

Take Two isn't going to sell to anyone, and it wouldn't even be worth it to buy them outside of Rockstar and even then Rockstar has lost alot of it's leadership which made the games special in the first place like Leslie Benzies and one of the Houser Bros. Outside of that all Take Two really has are sports games which aren't going to be allowed to be made exclusive since the NBA would say fuck off just like the MLB did recently.

The reasons the Activision buyout could be really important for Sony is they are potentially losing some big IPs that draw normies to consoles like CoD. If those people don't buy a PS5 because no CoD, then their friends probably won't either. So they'll be losing not only CoD sales but their cut for general sales for other normie games like Fifa. They are almost basically losing entire genres. There's not really any big FPS series available for PS if CoD goes exclusive outside of Battlefield which has been self-immolating over the last 2 entries. They've also lost almost all WRPGs outside of Larian, Spiders, and Piranha Bytes which are much smaller in appeal than stuff like TES, Fallout, etc.

Realistically if Sony made the snap decision that they need to buy a publisher and quick, the best I can see them doing is Square Enix and even then that would probably be too steep for them to pay for.

I disagree that Take-Two wouldn't sell however it wouldn't be cheap and on the highest end that Sony could afford. Take-Two does have a lot more worth than just GTA however that and Red Dead are for sure the big two ips they own. Even ips like Bioshock and Mafia could do well under Sony, but stuff like Xcom would be worthless to them.

You bring up a good point about Take-Two and sports games however Sony does put MLB out on XBOX now, so I could see Sony doing the same for those games as long as they make money.

However what makes it unlikely is more so that Take -two's market cap right now is just under $20 billion but they are planning to buy Zynga for $11 billion. If that happens it would put it out of reach of Sony if they were just using cash they have set aside for business acquisition.

I agree with your second paragraph however I still think lost sales will be offset by emerging game markets. So more so PS5 being gen with lack of growth rather than down right loses. But even still Sony does need to invest in first-party fps and wrpg. They are investing in fps going off their partnership with Firewalk Studios but don't have anything for wrpgs and even still those are new ip without the brand recognition of a CoD or ES and MS will have at least one big FPS every year while Sony may have one every few years.

Sony buying Square Enix has been a rumour for years, but that type of company or any Japanese company wouldn't do much to combat Activision at all.

Ubisoft has a market cap of just under $6.5 billion, which would be well within what Sony could afford however that would be a hostile takeover unless the Guillemots have changed their minds since Vivendi tried it.

 

[ZMOT]

The reasons the Activision buyout could be really important for Sony is they are potentially losing some big IPs that draw normies to consoles like CoD. If those people don't buy a PS5 because no CoD, then their friends probably won't either. So they'll be losing not only CoD sales but their cut for general sales for other normie games like Fifa. They are almost basically losing entire genres. There's not really any big FPS series available for PS if CoD goes exclusive outside of Battlefield which has been self-immolating over the last 2 entries. They've also lost almost all WRPGs outside of Larian, Spiders, and Piranha Bytes which are much smaller in appeal than stuff like TES, Fallout, etc.

you're forgetting cod (and other IPs) are successful because a lot of normies play it on playstation. if ms doesn't put it on playstation that well is almost completely dried up unless they managed to move the majority of those people over to xbox first.

I agree with your second paragraph however I still think lost sales will be offset by emerging game markets. So more so PS5 being gen with lack of growth rather than down right loses. But even still Sony does need to invest in first-party fps and wrpg. They are investing in fps going off their partnership with Firewalk Studios but don't have anything for wrpgs and even still those are new ip without the brand recognition of a CoD or ES and MS will have at least one big FPS every year while Sony may have one every few years.

Sony buying Square Enix has been a rumour for years, but that type of company or any Japanese company wouldn't do much to combat Activision at all.

Ubisoft has a market cap of just under $6.5 billion, which would be well within what Sony could afford however that would be a hostile takeover unless the Guillemots have changed their minds since Vivendi tried it.

another thing is embracer has been silently (or rather overlooked) buying a lot of studios too - not as prestigious as activision, but that gives them a lot of old IPs that haven't been driven into the ground (yet) and they are willing to fund smaller scale games with above-average quality; you know, the stuff that sony used to do to sell you the platform as a whole before they went full retard into MUH AAA BLOCKBUSTERS ONLY. they have no reason not to release on playstation unless they get paid not to.

meanwhile microsoft is microsoft. most of their games have been canceled, the ones that didn't either should have (halo) or were such a blip on the radar no one cared (crackdown). buying studios and IPs is nice and all, but if they're unable to capitalize on them or worse run them into the ground all it does is provide opportunities for someone else to step up, who most likely isn't owned by microsoft.

really, cod has been considered shit for years, same as blizzard, and a big chunk of the money comes from king, which is mobile crap - so why would I suddenly care if ms now owns a lot of trash that only sells to the retards that bought it before?
same goes for ubisoft, which is why I could see them as a candidate - lot of "valuable" IPs on paper which in reality don't make much money (not sure about fc6 and valhalla, but division 2 and breakpoint were huge bombs in 2019). plus microsoft isn't vivendi, which has a pretty bad rep and tried to take over forcefully, meanwhile microsoft would wave wads of cash around to lube the frog's assholes before going in dry (not to mention how wokeshitters have taken over recently after their big "scandal" I can see their "interest and ideals totally align with microsoft's values" and other crap, while the higher-up might be smart enough to know where the shit is going and try to jump off with a big enough payday).

 

[Product Placement]

you're forgetting cod (and other IPs) are successful because a lot of normies play it on playstation. if ms doesn't put it on playstation that well is almost completely dried up unless they managed to move the majority of those people over to xbox first.

Have to disagree, COD used to sell more on the 360 when that was the bigger console. The only reason COD became huge on the PS4 compared to the XBone was more to do with how badly MS fucked up that console, meaning people were getting PS4's instead to play CoD and also meant due to lack of cross-console play people would buy the same consoles as their friends did.

If CoD does go xbox/pc only it will for sure lose a few million in sales but will have a bigger knock-on effect on Sony, if CoD players don't buy a PS5 that also means they also won't be buying Sony's 1st party games. CoD is still pulling huge numbers and while that could change doesn't seem to be happening any time soon. Any sale lost from CoD could be offset from MS selling the Xbox hardware, so they will likely be prepared to lose some sales of the game if that is the case.


Sony themselves have said they don't expect it to go multiplatform due to "contractual agreements", so my guess is Sony will have a marketing deal in place with CoD again, believe the last deal they had was 5 years starting in 2015, so could be in place till 2025 if the same is true again. Which would give Sony time to fill the lack of first-party fps games in case the series does end up going xbox/pc only

Sony Expects Microsoft to Keep Activision Games Multiplatform

Sony Group said it expected Microsoft Corp. to ensure that games from Activision Blizzard Inc. are available on non-Microsoft videogame platforms after its proposed acquisition of Activision.

www.wsj.com

Sony Responds to Activision Blizzard Buyout, Expects Games to Still Come to PS5, PS4

Wants contracts to be abided by

www.pushsquare.com

With all that said sales of CoD has been slowing down, however, they are still very high.

Call of Duty Vanguard sales were down 36% in the UK during 2021 | VGC

Vanguard fell far short of its predecessor Black Ops Cold War…

www.videogameschronicle.com

Call of Duty: Warzone however seemed to be the big moneymaker for them and that is something which won't be pulled from Playstation much like how games such as Fallout 76 and ESO weren't

Warzone boosts Activision microtransactions to over $1 billion in 3 months

Activision’s Call of Duty battle royale Warzone has cemented itself as a juggernaut in gaming, in terms of both popularity and earning power.

www.dexerto.com

 

[ZMOT]

It must be some kind of zoomer revisionism. Europe, SEA and latin America are way ahead of the US and canada in terms of japanese manga and tv.

since I just saw those posts: public euro tv stations produced anime in cooperation with japan in the fucking 70's. on top of that europe always had a much more diverse and broader comic industry, and even with that better foundation (compared to the mostly capeshit centric us market) got taken over by anime in the early 00's when the market stagnated. and that's also ignoring all the local stuff that got distributed the whole time. fucking moomins have a theme park in japan.

there's isn't a euro around who doesn't know fucking maya the honey bee or heidi (ffs the miyazaki worked on that, after trying to get a fucking pippi longstockings anime going of all things).

saying yurop has no connection to japan is peak ignorance.

EDIT:

Have to disagree, COD used to sell more on the 360 when that was the bigger console. The only reason COD became huge on the PS4 compared to the XBone was more to do with how badly MS fucked up that console, meaning people were getting PS4's instead to play CoD and also meant due to lack of cross-console play people would buy the same consoles as their friends did.

If CoD does go xbox/pc only it will for sure lose a few million in sales but will have a bigger knock-on effect on Sony, if CoD players don't buy a PS5 that also means they also won't be buying Sony's 1st party games. CoD is still pulling huge numbers and while that could change doesn't seem to be happening any time soon. Any sale lost from CoD could be offset from MS selling the Xbox hardware, so they will likely be prepared to lose some sales of the game if that is the case.

that's what I mean, if cod stops existing tomorrow on playstation there's nothing microsoft would gain from that, or worse damage the IP for good. if they want to make the same money as before they need to move over that customer base first, and that's much easier said that done (switching over is much harder when it means buying a new box of overpriced scalped hardware while leaving all your existing games and social circle behind).

sure, they would deprive sony of a moneymaker, but at what cost? not that microsoft couldn't do it with the fuck you money it has, but as much sheeple as those normies are they still remember that shit somewhere.

there's also contracts, microsoft can't just pull shit because "lol new owner, suck it". again, not to mention the bad PR. expect to see an effect a bit after the merger is done, like stuff releasing earlier on xbox, dlc only appearing only a certain console (which is something sony paid money for in the past for example) and other fun shenanigans to lessen the value of the playstation version - if the game gets released there in the first place.

 

[Clint Torez]

I just find it funny that Crash and Spyro are now owned by Xbox.