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It was so good, they added a bunch of them in Sonic Adventure, including the cut songs.
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Tourist moment.
The games do use humans it really is only Forces that has the explicit "WHERE THE FUCK IS GUN" world building.
For example, "Shadow Generations": Has Maria, GUN, Gerald, Abe, etc... mentioned in the game, shown in media around the game, or in the game. (not to mention Sage in frontiers)
Tails Tube has shown Humans as well saying that Mobians are "Islanders" and humans are mainlanders and that, mainly from unleashed, GUN and that new human professor girl we were all lead to believe was going to be huge from the constant teasing, (even teased in Sonic 3 movie).
Which on another note that human professor you cannot convince me was supposed to be a secret Eggman family member from his uncle's line. It is just the bad trope writing that Flynn is known to love to throw around. Especially when you see all the teasing they did for her and the Gerald's Journal in Shadow Generations which really really wanted you to know that Gerald had 2 sons, one for robots and another for archeology.
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I meant new games starting from Frontiers.
This one is a remake with a few new things, and most of those characters already existed.
I wouldn't consider her a human since she's an AI. She's in an interesting position, as she kinda became a friend-enemy of sorts to Sonic, but Eggman won't let her disobey him, so I dunno what will be done with her.
I wonder if the Islanders term will be officially used from now on. As for that new chick, I agree, she'll likely show up in the next Sonic 3d game which will release next year... But until that info is confirmed, we got nothing.
IDW comic is the one that has the Mobian islands seemingly devoid of human life, which feels dumb, unless they were all offscreen.
Once humies show up, I wonder how many joggers will be featured.
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WARNING: 'tism ahead.
We all hear takes on Sonic being heavily inspired by stuff like Mickey and Felix, IE "Vidya Mickey Mouse", and I agree with those 100%.
Like vidya of the time, he was very much a "throw anything in that is visually easy to identify", "how do we justify this cool programming trick", and the like the way Mario's design came from sprite limitations or how random stuff like Mario's world came about in the first place.
But Sonic was developed in 1990, and I do think that's a secret key to how his world's setting should be as much as being "Arcade/Vidya Mickey." This is when Toriyama was very much hitting his stride as a legendary artist and comic maker, right? And when stuff like the Akira anime is in the pop consciousness of Japan as well, no? Sonic's original worldbuilding as shown in 1 and continued on especially in CD and Chaotix - but you still get plenty of that "fantasy/-tic" influence in 2 and 3&K - gives me vibes of how Shonen manga work with its blend of animal people and humans, the fantastic coexisting with the mundane, etc. And the Japanese being "lol just how it is", except it all ends up really fun and/or cool for young people.
I remember, for example, early-ass official material showing Sonic's dropped band playing for a bunch of human teenage girls (showing he's a modern day cool teenager himself), alongside what you mention in terms of post-apocalyptic civilizations all around. Sonic himself had that "Madonna" human girlfriend. The OVA was looked over with input from Sonic Team and the bigwig Naka himself. Finally, this blog entry sums up how I feel Sonic's visuals really should be, which is in-tune with the very early 90s being the "last gasp" of the 80s culture/more 80s than the 80s themselves.
IMO: Sonic and his world is really just an "arcade" version of all of that is popular in Japanese pop culture of the time. A version of Mickey and Felix with their cartoonisms but "cool" as well, Toriyama-esque worldbuilding, ruins of worlds before for excuses to explore in-game that also fits with Japanese anime/manga settings of the time, and all of it visually shown with art deco-esque geometric style spriting and psychedelic coloring the arcades had.
Sega of America correctly recalibrated, for sake of his popularity, Sonic to be a "90s" thing in terms of coolness (not just because it was 1990 lol), but Sonic's intended world-building and visuals suddenly make sense, IMO, looking at the tail end of the 1980s and especially Japanese pop culture before "the 90s" everywhere set in in late 1991. And imagine if it STAYED THAT WAY like we saw in Sonic 1/Sonic CD/early-ass official material the way Super Mario's world, aesthetics, "feel" has always been recognizable since SMB1 in 1985. That full-of-casual and easily accessible fantasy, arcade-esque, colorfully psychedelic world.
Aaaah, if only....
Like vidya of the time, he was very much a "throw anything in that is visually easy to identify", "how do we justify this cool programming trick", and the like the way Mario's design came from sprite limitations or how random stuff like Mario's world came about in the first place.
But Sonic was developed in 1990, and I do think that's a secret key to how his world's setting should be as much as being "Arcade/Vidya Mickey." This is when Toriyama was very much hitting his stride as a legendary artist and comic maker, right? And when stuff like the Akira anime is in the pop consciousness of Japan as well, no? Sonic's original worldbuilding as shown in 1 and continued on especially in CD and Chaotix - but you still get plenty of that "fantasy/-tic" influence in 2 and 3&K - gives me vibes of how Shonen manga work with its blend of animal people and humans, the fantastic coexisting with the mundane, etc. And the Japanese being "lol just how it is", except it all ends up really fun and/or cool for young people.
I remember, for example, early-ass official material showing Sonic's dropped band playing for a bunch of human teenage girls (showing he's a modern day cool teenager himself), alongside what you mention in terms of post-apocalyptic civilizations all around. Sonic himself had that "Madonna" human girlfriend. The OVA was looked over with input from Sonic Team and the bigwig Naka himself. Finally, this blog entry sums up how I feel Sonic's visuals really should be, which is in-tune with the very early 90s being the "last gasp" of the 80s culture/more 80s than the 80s themselves.
IMO: Sonic and his world is really just an "arcade" version of all of that is popular in Japanese pop culture of the time. A version of Mickey and Felix with their cartoonisms but "cool" as well, Toriyama-esque worldbuilding, ruins of worlds before for excuses to explore in-game that also fits with Japanese anime/manga settings of the time, and all of it visually shown with art deco-esque geometric style spriting and psychedelic coloring the arcades had.
Sega of America correctly recalibrated, for sake of his popularity, Sonic to be a "90s" thing in terms of coolness (not just because it was 1990 lol), but Sonic's intended world-building and visuals suddenly make sense, IMO, looking at the tail end of the 1980s and especially Japanese pop culture before "the 90s" everywhere set in in late 1991. And imagine if it STAYED THAT WAY like we saw in Sonic 1/Sonic CD/early-ass official material the way Super Mario's world, aesthetics, "feel" has always been recognizable since SMB1 in 1985. That full-of-casual and easily accessible fantasy, arcade-esque, colorfully psychedelic world.
Aaaah, if only....
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Yeah, that makes sense. The 90s was "anything that looks cool, sense later", and it shows. DBZ was like that too, and Sonic does copy a lot of DBZ or uses the same sources, such as 7 magical Mcguffins that are always scattering around the world, random dinosaurs, random animal people, evil scientists, ridiculous power scales, etc.
The Shadow Gens part is a Remake and not only the Sonic Gen's part? What?
Brother if you are going to respond please ensure you make more sense.
"Most those characters existed"
- Your point?
- They are not only acknowledged but also story relevant. Which is much more than anything that IDW is doing with humans.
- Just because a character existed before doesn't mean that their inclusion into the plot/game means nothing. What?
An AI that is human in nearly all aspects and wants to be the real daughter of her human father. Now you are just trying to be semantic about this, which is wild considering all your points being wrong.
We did get that, and it's called "Sonic Heroes" Levels. (Which do have some of the best world designs in the series....level/gameplay design hell no).
It's not something that can't be done whenever they want to bring it back.
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You talk about making sense, and your quote of mine has typos. Heh.
Sonic Gen 2025 is a remake, yes, with new stuff, aka everything of Shadow is new, duh. A remake plus an expansion for *checks* 50 $? Harsh.
But I believe we have a misunderstanding here.
My beef is with IDW's odd worldbuilding (if you can call that). As for the 3d games, I'm waiting to see what's done with the incoming one.
If humans are back to the menu? Cool.
If not... Why not?
And what will IDW do in either case (assuming the company survives past 2026)? Quickly mention that yes, humans were in Sonic's world but they were all hiding for whatever reason/placed offscreen?
That Islanders are xenophobic and they don't like anyone who's not of their kind around?
Or that humies don't like the islands for some reason (ie: a war against the furries that was lost)?
There are many options.
That's what I'm wondering about.
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See, that would actually be interesting and would make sense because it was a human that destroyed the world on more than one occasion and briefly conquered it. It may just be one guy, but you could argue the Islanders would be reasonably biased sense they are often targeted specifically by him. And to add intrigue, the Humans could point out the only reason why Eggman is still around is because Sonic just keeps letting him live despite there being no good reason to at this point. There already been hints that characters are starting to get a little pissed with Sonic for this very reason and would fit pretty well into the story.
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And yet, the fucking platypus gets unceremoniously killed off
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It would be interesting indeed, as it would allow Mobians to interact with other people and write about interesting themes. Station Square had both species and no-one seemed to mind. As for Eggman, he doesn't discriminate, as seen in Station Square again in SA1.
But that would mean Ian has to answer stuff that's not a fanfic with boring OCs, so it won't happen anytime soon.
There are also questions that the writers may not want to answer such as if mixed breeds are a thing, if humie children and mobian children can play with each other, and what Mobians say when someone inevitably asks them about their lack of pants and obsession with gloves.
He might be back, as there's a serious lack of villains.
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So apparently next year is Sonic's 35th Anniversary. They already got Calendars and Books for pre-order regarding it
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Cue the shitty anniversary game coming out on the Switch 2 in 10 months from now.
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Well, they already fucked up Sonic Colors with the "remake"
They reminded us how superficial thier love for thier the fans is by fucking over Christian Whitehead and co's genesis game portjobs with Sonic Origins
They let Ian Flynn take a shit over the already non-existant story of Sonic Generations, which showed how superficial his writing is and largely got memoryholed
What else could they possibly do this time that could top any of those beyond maybe making a bad Unleashed remake with Flynn's grubby mits on it?
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Ian can whine about the mandates all he wants, but IDW would NOT make it very far if it was allowed to write the game cast like its shitty OCs, and the disconnect between the way those two groups of characters are written is probably good, since it shows exactly why those mandates are their in the first place when they introduce a new character then immediately go into them having issues with their parents or something.
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How so? What's there to mess up?
Because of money grabbing purposes, duh.
I think these changes were made due to the woke mandates (heh). The Japanese script is identical to the OG one, supposedly, and while Amy's toned down in the first cutscenes, apparently her dialogue ingame is the same, so most of those were lazy edits to remove the edge.
A port of Shadow the Edgeheg with the same "modern sensibilities".
TBF I think IDW Sonic wouldn't last long if it had any Western competition, which it hasn't so far. Funny how the issues set in the classic era are better due to not having to deal with bullshit OCs. Oh, and said OCs come out as whiny when the majority of the main cast are orphans, used to Eggman destroying everything every other day, and Tails had his home firebombed and his adoptive friends likely killed and so on.
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The mandates are mostly to ensure the main cast, especially Sonic, don't act like a crying bitch, but it makes them come out as static, but it's still better than the alternative due to all wokes copying Steve Universe, it seems. The "can't be defeated" mandate for Sonic ensures that IDW has no stakes, which is likely why Sonic is absent of the OCs' drama with other OC bad guys.
Although I don't get the fixation with no pants for the guys. Afraid that IDW staff would have Sonic dress like a trans hoe?
In comparison, Nintendo finally allowed, almost at gunpoint, for Link, Mario and Luigi to play dress-up in some of the latest games.
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How that turned out? The pacing in the Wii version was ass, compared to the DS version
Which backfired, at least twice in Link's case.
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did you forget the horrible state it launched in dispite being a remake of a Wii game, among the chnages they made to the visuals becasuse they were too lazy to do it themselves and outsourced it?
The most they did to fix it was just release some patches that only fixed the most egregious shit and called it a day, leaving it to be fixed by modders doing the job for them just like Bethesda and modern Pokemon games.
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I've heard some stuff about it, but this is something that I've never actually bought.
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Those seizure glitches will never not be funny to me. How do you fuck up that badly?
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I'm not bothering with the legends matches anymore. Luck is not on my side with this fucking game. About to win and then an out of left field item just ruins it all. Got to gold. Good enough for me.