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I don't disagree 100%, I'm just pointing out that most people you encounter in real life (coworkers, family members, friends, etc) are not all alt-right channers or far left tumblrites and are usually moderate people that you can, and should, have political discussions with.

FAU is speaking like (and likely is) someone who doesn't get outside all that much and maybe doesn't know how real people interact about some of these things.

Yeah I totally agree with that, actually. Most of the online discourse about politics is bubbling up from mom's basement somewhere. You see this with the tankies and the alt-right.

If you leave your house then you might encounter someone who has different views than you and it's horrifying and triggering.
 
Whining about your opponents arguing in bad faith is just a prettier way of admitting you've got no fucking clue how to debate the issue.

FAU folds unbelievably quickly, even by goon standards.
 
Remember those heady days gone by when the only faggots demanding internet debates were fedoralords, and even rank and file atheists would cringe at their obnoxious evangelizing?

We were all 22 years old at some point, but fucking hell.
 
Debating is good. Not allowing debate is how you get insane cultists ready to burn dissenters at the stake. The thing with people on the political right demanding debate is that they keep getting banned from everywhere without reason except insults (bigot, supremacist, racist, etc.) so the least they can do is ask someone, anyone to try to rebate any of their points. The people cheering for banhammers have this idea of "rightists" as very close-minded, which is why asking for debate is the last resort before getting banned for daring to say that a man is actually not a woman.
Also, saying that debating alt-righters is pointless because they're basement spergs is no different than saying you won't debate them because they're bigots. Especially when the definition of alt-right keeps mutating to suit diffetent groups of people. I've seen someone here mention Jordan Peterson fans, when he has stated specifically that what he does is driving young white men away from the identitarian right. Also MIGApedes are retarded Redditor NPCs who just change their political stance depending on what Trump has done or said that week.
 
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Remember those heady days gone by when the only faggots demanding internet debates were fedoralords, and even rank and file atheists would cringe at their obnoxious evangelizing?

We were all 22 years old at some point, but fucking hell.

It's evolved from there. People like that wanted to display their prowess by being an intellectual Bruce Lee in their mind. That was just another form of those Fedora+Katana photos.

Now places like Something Awful are filled with people that use "Debate" as a weapon where they just throw an infinite amount of words at you until you give up or the moderators that agree with them ban you for having opinions they don't like.

Once that sperg trench warfare is over you are left with relatively safe echo chambers where these people don't feel threatened and can soapbox, talking past each other, only managing to stroke their own egos and make themselves feel better.

It's still fun to watch the occasional real person try to put forward an actual idea, explain non-binary ways of thinking or challenge a concept and have goons swarm them like autistic antibodies. The Autistic Rapid Response Team rappels out of the air vents to start throwing words at people, strawmanning, demanding a never ending series of examples or citations they will never be satisfied with while throwing 5,000 word line-by-line rebuttals at you that you would have to spend hours to honestly engage with.

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It basically sounds like modern policy debate. People talking past reach other as fast and as obtusely as possible with the winner being the one who gets one over on the judge or wins on a technicality.
 
I remember when I visited SA in the early 2000s to post anime tits and laugh at stupid goon stories, but now it's all about the serious politics. The Star Citizen thread even got derailed once into a conversation about gender dysphoria.

The most "discussions" on the internet are very, very superficial and most people just start cherry-picking each other's weakest arguments.

If you want to have an honest conversation about something complex, like the benefits of a social market economy or something, then go outside.
 
I remember when I visited SA in the early 2000s to post anime tits and laugh at stupid goon stories, but now it's all about the serious politics. The Star Citizen thread even got derailed once into a conversation about gender dysphoria.

The most "discussions" on the internet are very, very superficial and most people just start cherry-picking each other's weakest arguments.

If you want to have an honest conversation about something complex, like the benefits of a social market economy or something, then go outside.
Well, once you don't have stifling moderation enforcing certain opinions, I don't think you're limited to those superficial arguing past each other type debates. I mean, sure, we all butt heads here on issues, but since the typical first reaction of "OMG people are having opinions that are wrong, shut it down" doesn't work here, once we get past that, we actually end up having people stating the reasons for their opinions and shit like that.

Sure, while that's going on there's a bunch of no effort posters doing just what you said, but since they're not allowed to break down the conversation, the debate still goes on without being limited.

Yeah, the internet forum format isn't perfect for fact based debating, but it's not wholly unsuited either. The ability to embed citations directly is something you simply cannot do in spoken conversation. Complex opinions can be re-read.

Of course, that only works with a loose, but not absent, moderation style. You need moderation not to stifle conversations, but also remove elements that are trying to stifle conversation. The KF mods seem to achieve that pretty well, mostly by going with a light touch.
 
I remember when I visited SA in the early 2000s to post anime tits and laugh at stupid goon stories, but now it's all about the serious politics. The Star Citizen thread even got derailed once into a conversation about gender dysphoria.

SA in 2019 somehow ended up becoming the people SA made fun of in 2003. Gaze into the abyss, etc.

Like who the fuck would be bragging about how they're so enlightened because they read furry erotica and not get chased out of the forum immediately
 
JFC shut up you fucking sperglords and post some funny goon quotes.

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I need help. But not really for me. It's all too much right now and I don't even know what to ask. So a goonette I love and care for got into some stupid trouble. She's in jail right now.
She doesn't belong there. She belongs to a mental institution/psyche ward, at most. But she'll be there for the next week and idk what to do.
I'm in Germany. We are talking, but only a short amount each day (she's on speaker with her mom and I call via discord).

Is there a goon out there willing to print out an e-mail and send it to her via old-school paper so it will get there in time?
I want to let her know I'm there for her and she'll get through it. Suggestions for things that will make her feel better are very appreciated.

Feel free to ask about stuff. It's the end of the month and I got 20€ on paypal and 25 in my bank account, lol, but if someone could get that money to her (at least the paypal amount), please talk to me.

Edit: CA=California
 
JFC shut up you fucking sperglords and post some funny goon quotes.

Oh boy this is a real hum-dinger. Let's rattle off some highlights that come to mind immediately:

goonette I love and care for
Hm, not a girlfriend or wife, is our dear poster stuck in beta-orbit? Also over/under on woman being a true and honest one or stunning and brave. Landwhale is a given though.
in jail but shouldn't be there, she should be in a mental hospital
Wonder what she did that makes her a candidate for the latter and not the former
she'll be there for a week
Someone with more knowledge of the criminal justice system explain the week stay in County?
I'm in germany
A long-distance beta-orbiting, nice
Can another goon print out an email and send it to her... I want to let her know I'm there for her and she'll get through it. Suggestions for things that will make her feel better are appreciated.
This dude is literally begging internet strangers to write life-affirming and positive things to a mentally ill criminal they don't know, and then print it off and mail it to jail? Also, he loves and cares for her but can't think of anything himself and needs some advice like he's writing a fucking college application letter? She's only there for a week though so better act fast. Maybe someone can had deliver it or better yet, bake a gluten-free vegan cake with some lock picks in it.
20€ on paypal and 25€ in his bank account... but if someone could get that money to her please talk to me
Dude is flat broke and begging internet strangers to take the dregs of his pathetic internet bank account to an insane broad in jail. Yes, that ~$56 USD will really make a difference and at the very least, let her know you really care. Also are you expecting the friendly internet strangers to transfer the cash to their bank accounts and then withdraw it into hard currency and deliver it with your letter too?

This is such an exceptional post it has to be a troll but goons are known for constantly plumbing new depths of pathetic.
 
Every time he gets banned from Twitter, Loxtax cracks another vertebra.
 
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Portland troon winner OP from E/N.

The Great Gayby

I've been talking about this in the Online Dating Thread since it happened, but since I've been booted into a new thread, I'll explain the situation as best I can.

I am a trans woman who still possesses a nominally functional penis. My fiancee is a cis woman with nominally functional ovaries. At this story's start, we both lived in Portland, Oregon. We met in August 2017 through OkCupid, but did not have our first real date until December. After several dates went well, we began to talk about what kind of expectations we would have for each other as serious partners. A major one for her was that she planned, sooner or later, to become a mother. Given that her biological clock was ticking, she had resolved that by the time she was 36, she would want to have given birth to a child. (At the time, she was 34.) She would not expect any decision for some time, but it was understood that any relationship that would last more than a couple years would require that I be willing to either become or at the very least date a parent. (Her plan was artificial insemination, potentially taking several attempts, becaaaaaaause...)

Because I am a stupid motherfucker, we discussed, after some months and ending up de facto living together, whether it would be safe to not use protection. Given that we were exclusive, both tested clean, and both had fertility issues (her from genetics, me from my testosterone blockers), we decided that it was safe, and any remote possibility of actual insemination would be dealt with if it happened, deciding whether to keep it or not, and how involved I would be. There were three problems with this plan. First, in retrospect it was sketch as hell that she wasn't willing to take birth control. I don't remember her reasons why. Second, that I was not diligent about taking my meds regularly because of Badbrains I was having at the time. And third, foreshadowing, she would get attached to the idea of having a fetus much more firmly than she thought.

Surprising no one who's ever seen a movie or read an E/N thread, she ended up pregnant, telling me in early April that it likely happened in early March. We began to immediately discuss whether we would keep it and how much of a parent I would want to be. I was upfront about my feelings at first: I was not ready for parenthood, and if she kept it, we would either split or at least become more casual. She came back with feelings of her own: that she had already become attached to the idea, and that she was willing to terminate, but it would sour our relationship forever. Not long later, it turned into a resolution. No, she would not let him go. This was now entirely a question of whether I wanted to be a parent or if I wanted to sign my rights away. And that's when she threw the next curve ball.

She wanted to move to Chicago. She had moved to Portland to escape her home city after a bad break up, and to be close to her sister. However, it had been a couple years since her break up, her sister was leaving the city, and she was beginning to feel isolated, both from a failed career choice, and because of a lack of social outlets. I had attempted many times to introduce her to my own friends, and my own hobbies, but it had become increasingly apparent that while we shared a physical attraction, an emotional connection, and a strong rapport, we had very little in common in hobbies. (She later admitted that she'd already made up her mind at that point, and my task was more to convince her to change her mind than to convince her of the city's value.) All of this lead to a new ultimatum: Either I would stay in Portland single, or I would move for my relationship and child. (As it will be relevant later, it was at about this point that I began to become less and less interested in sex.) Now here's where it gets real screwy.

Fiancee has never had money issues. Her family has money, and she used a chunk of her father's inheritance to purchase property that she rents out. In addition, more of his estate was invested and ear marked for trusts for grandchildren. Thus, not only could Lady live well enough (if a bit frugally) on her own without working, her child had a resource for paying for all of their health, wellbeing, and education. This, I was not needed financially, nor could anything I would contribute in taking care of the child be irreplaceable, as becoming closer to friends and family (some of whom were already parents) for their support was the whole point of her move. Still, I angsted considerably, both about what I wanted, and what was the Right thing to do. Throughout it all, Lady assured me that there was no obligation for me to move. This was my decision.

EXCEPT.

Close to the deadline where I would have to decide, Lady took a trip back to Chicago so she could see friends, get ducks in a row, and be away for a few days so I could have some time alone to consider things. We were having a conversation about things over text when she hit me with another curve ball: her evaluation of her emotional needs had changed, and it would be very difficult to do this without a partner.

It's worth mentioning that I am a sap. After treating a partner very terribly and just generally being an awful person in the past, I now heavily factor morality (not religious, just personal) into all my decisions. And so this changed everything. She needed me. Despite still being heavily conflicted at the time, I promised not 24 hours later that I was in this for the long haul. My logic was, very simply, at least if this was a mistake, it'd be the Good and Responsible mistake. This was the start of my path to convincing myself that I was happy with my decision. (It was not the ONLY factor in the decision, there was already a lot going on in other areas, but the pros and cons they brought balanced out enough that it's not worth dragging this story down even FURTHER with the details.)

We moved to Chicago in October, less than a year after our first real date, and our son was born in December. (He spent the first several weeks in the NICU, but that's a different story.) During conversation before I moved, we had also determined that if I felt I was capable of doing it while also taking care of the child, she would pay for me to go to community college. I began classes last month. I began very slowly making friends, although my hobbies were mostly mindless and my social circle was mostly just borrowed from her.

On Tuesday, during a heart to heart about our sex life, I admitted, to her and to myself, that I wasn't just surface stressed. I felt, so deeply that everything else I said at all sounded in my ears like a lie, that I made a mistake. We both cried, but I cried hard enough that the snot became a barrier that made it physically impossible to breathe through my nose and I had to beg her to get me tissues so that I would be able to breathe without desperately panting like I was having an asthma attack.

I have never felt ANY emotion as strongly in a single moment as I did then. (With the sole obvious exception of the compounded stress of having a son in the hospital for the first three weeks of his life.) I put together the pieces. I could replace having friends, and hobbies, and even weather preference to some degree. But what I can not replace is Portland itself, and what it represents for me. Portland is where I finally began my transition, where I started getting medication for my issues and feeling human instead of self medicating with cigarettes and emotional breakdowns. It's the only city I've ever been to where my presentation being imperfect doesn't feel othering. There may be more queer people in Chicago numerically, but the culture of the city as a whole is very different. Being blunt, I don't just love Portland, I hate Chicago for not being Portland.

Even that was something I thought I could deal with, though, except for something I realized, and something I was told. First, what I was told. When Lady was in Chicago, it was her friend who convinced her to weigh her emotional needs more strongly, and that fulfilling those needs was my responsibility in particular. And second, what I realized. I'm not attracted to her any more. Her body shape hasn't even changed particularly much. But it's not as appealing to be sexual, and I'm not as motivated to share my hobbies. In short, I may be falling out of love with her.

Last night and today, even more happened, but this post is long enough that I'm terrified a space wedgie will eat it, so that can come in another post.
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The tone policing and replies in the thread are what you would expect. For some odd reason no one asks what kind of crazy bitch would get knocked up by some MTF head case she met via OKcupid.

Only way this kid has a prayer is if he’s given up for adoption.
 
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