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Manah said:
You might not be looking at the right sites, then (or you've got a much farther right definition of 'conservative' than I do). Most of the places I've been to on the internet leaned more right than anything.



Uh, isn't the right in control of the house, senate, etc in the US right now? Or are you implying that say, China or Russia has a left wing establishment?
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Setting aside nobodies who don't go beyond Facebook and Instagram, I think that the internet used to lean to the left everywhere. However over time the "mean", "old-styled" internet has swung to the right due to being sick of the left's demands and its sacred cows. The friendly, corporate internet has stayed on the left. As far as being on the right the places that come to my mind are 4chan, here and other forums that gleefully fuck with stupid people. On the left seems to be everywhere else. I personally consider myself to be part of the latter, having spend something like 15 years online, though time itself isn't actually the end all and be all- a lot of the big SA cows mentioned in this thread could probably say something similar.

The Republicans control the White House, both houses of Congress and have a conservative majority on the Supreme Court. However that does not mean that the faceless bureaucracy that fulfills the day to day tasks of government is conservative, it isn't. The media, or at least the most respectable parts of it lean to the left, in the sense that they are limousine liberals, and you can say the same thing of the corporate establishment, Hollywood, the tech industry, etc.

Those groups are some of life's "winners" and part of that is that they'll tend to live in urban areas that constitute a liberal bubble. However its not just that that causes them to lean to the left. I mentioned that the government bureaucracy leans to the left now, but its not just a problem of here and now, in the sense of hammers seeing everything as a nail it will always lean towards assuming more control, of growing at least a little bit in size to cover a certain area while perhaps not cutting back somewhere else. Not to mention the influence of public sector unions which, of course, are on the left and will have some affect on their members' views. But even further than that, the people who get into government, who go "sign me up" when presented with the idea of working for, say, HUD, were probably left leaning all along. If you were distrustful of government intervention in a certain field you probably would not to be eager to work for them. The park service is full of hippies etc.

But what of those other areas- reporters, actors, tech CEOs, etc? Well, they've self-sorted into fields where you find yourself with diverse people, with new ideas and with the idea that change is something that has to be done. That says little about the role you would want government or society to play in your life but it very much makes you more "liberal" in the sense that those things (diverse people, new ides and change) are good. If you've made it to the top, stuff like that has probably been kind to you and it is likely to show in your politics.

I am on the right, I make no bones about that. But I am not saying the people mentioned above are wrong. I am merely saying that their views in life and politics are a reflection of the life they have lived and should not count more than anyone else's yet, because of the jobs that they hold, they do and on a massive scale. In small towns and rural areas there's similar undue influencers of public life- the lady who bitches about her neighbor's grass being too long, the "concerned citizen" who gets the metal concert shut down, the people who unironically think of the children. These people are part of the establishment and they are nuisances who inflict their personal lifestyle on others, just like the ones mentioned in previous paragraphs do, but they don't get the fame and the glory of their left wing equivalents. One side prevents people from painting their house purple and gold, the other side gets people thrown off of corporate boards, I know which one I think has more power.

I'm not that mean of a person actually, and in order for me to laugh at someone's failures, like I do here, I have to have a good reason for it. Often enough that reason on Kiwifarms is that the cow is a horror show or fool but gets held up as a hero by the people mentioned above (government, entertainment, media, business) despite deserving nothing but scorn. It is an injustice in my mind that those people are able to use their connections to play the role of victim when they are anything but. To me its an abuse of power issue, and when I speak with contempt of Brianna Wu getting into a fight on an airplane, Requireshate getting away with murder or a bullshit ban at SA, I am speaking truth to that power. Conversely when those people find themselves cut off I tend to lose interest- they're just another loser with deviantart levels of talent (see: Jake and Allison Rapp.) They're funny, sure, but that type of person is a dime a dozen on the internet.
 
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Lou Wrong said:
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Charles Murray wrote a really good book on this topic called "Coming Apart". It basically explains the same thing you've pointed out above, that the movers and shakers of society live in their own insular bubble. Starting at around the 80's or so, people stopped primarily identifying as "American" and began to primarily identify as something else. Whether it was a regional affiliation, a political affiliation, or something else, people stopped seeing others who disagreed with them as fellow Americans and more as enemies to be conquered or dehumanized.

I've personally seen this play out moving from a small town to a big city. It's like the people here think that when you live in the country you have to watch out for roving bands of faggot hunters and get a lift kit. They've lived so long in their own bubble they can't even picture red-state country as a place where humans live.

It was also really interesting to see that whole concept play out when Murray went to speak on a college campus and was almost fuckin' lynched for it simply because he made them uncomfortable. The dude isn't even that right wing. He's your standard Eisenhower Republican.
 
Lou Wrong said:
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Setting aside nobodies who don't go beyond Facebook and Instagram, I think that the internet used to lean to the left everywhere. However over time the "mean", "old-styled" internet has swung to the right due to being sick of the left's demands and its sacred cows. The friendly, corporate internet has stayed on the left. As far as being on the right the places that come to my mind are 4chan, here and other forums that gleefully fuck with stupid people. On the left seems to be everywhere else. I personally consider myself to be part of the latter, having spend something like 15 years online, though time itself isn't actually the end all and be all- a lot of the big SA cows mentioned in this thread could probably say something similar.

The Republicans control the White House, both houses of Congress and have a conservative majority on the Supreme Court. However that does not mean that the faceless bureaucracy that fulfills the day to day tasks of government is conservative, it isn't. The media, or at least the most respectable parts of it lean to the left, in the sense that they are limousine liberals, and you can say the same thing of the corporate establishment, Hollywood, the tech industry, etc.

Those groups are some of life's "winners" and part of that is that they'll tend to live in urban areas that constitute a liberal bubble. However its not just that that causes them to lean to the left. I mentioned that the government bureaucracy leans to the left now, but its not just a problem of here and now, in the sense of hammers seeing everything as a nail it will always lean towards assuming more control, of growing at least a little bit in size to cover a certain area while perhaps not cutting back somewhere else. Not to mention the influence of public sector unions which, of course, are on the left and will have some affect on their members' views. But even further than that, the people who get into government, who go "sign me up" when presented with the idea of working for, say, HUD, were probably left leaning all along. If you were distrustful of government intervention in a certain field you probably would not to be eager to work for them. The park service is full of hippies etc.

But what of those other areas- reporters, actors, tech CEOs, etc? Well, they've self-sorted into fields where you find yourself with diverse people, with new ideas and with the idea that change is something that has to be done. That says little about the role you would want government or society to play in your life but it very much makes you more "liberal" in the sense that those things (diverse people, new ides and change) are good. If you've made it to the top, stuff like that has probably been kind to you and it is likely to show in your politics.

I am on the right, I make no bones about that. But I am not saying the people mentioned above are wrong. I am merely saying that their views in life and politics are a reflection of the life they have lived and should not count more than anyone else's yet, because of the jobs that they hold, they do and on a massive scale. In small towns and rural areas there's similar undue influencers of public life- the lady who bitches about her neighbor's grass being too long, the "concerned citizen" who gets the metal concert shut down, the people who unironically think of the children. These people are part of the establishment and they are nuisances who inflict their personal lifestyle on others, just like the ones mentioned in previous paragraphs do, but they don't get the fame and the glory of their left wing equivalents. One side prevents people from painting their house purple and gold, the other side gets people thrown off of corporate boards, I know which one I think has more power.

I'm not that mean of a person actually, and in order for me to laugh at someone's failures, like I do here, I have to have a good reason for it. Often enough that reason on Kiwifarms is that the cow is a horror show or fool but gets held up as a hero by the people mentioned above (government, entertainment, media, business) despite deserving nothing but scorn. It is an injustice in my mind that those people are able to use their connections to play the role of victim when they are anything but. To me its an abuse of power issue, and when I speak with contempt of Brianna Wu getting into a fight on an airplane, Requireshate getting away with murder or a bullshit ban at SA, I am speaking truth to that power. Conversely when those people find themselves cut off I tend to lose interest- they're just another loser with deviantart levels of talent (see: Jake and Allison Rapp.) They're funny, sure, but that type of person is a dime a dozen on the internet.
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I don't agree with that at all. Most big companies have got into all manner of exploitative capitalism at some point. Volkswagen obviously don't care about global warming, and the oil industry is very fond of Saudi Arabia. The entire history of union politics is a struggle between workers demanding more rights and employers not wanting to grant them. Corporate abuses of human rights are widespread and widely documented. "Tech CEOs" get their products made in Asian factories where unions are suppressed with African minerals mined by slaves. That doesn't sound very socialist to me.

I'm sure a lot of these people pay lip service to progressive ideas to try to appeal to the trendy crowd, but the idea that the left holds the bulk of influence in capitalist nations is blatantly absurd. The driving force of the corporate establishment is the pursuit of profit, using whatever dirty tricks they can get away with. The entire point of outsourcing was to pay workers less and treat them worse, and globalisation benefits corporate profits far more than the workers socialism is supposed to protect.
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
I'm sure a lot of these people pay lip service to progressive ideas to try to appeal to the trendy crowd, but the idea that the left holds the bulk of influence in capitalist nations is blatantly absurd.
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As others have said here, there is a mob of self-righteous virtue signalers on the left, but they will only choose targets they think can't fight back - you're right that they will never go after any large corporation if that means they might have to answer for their choice to upgrade to a new slave-manufactured Apple iPhone every year.

Where that specific "left" has control is not in the realm of political decisions or corporate behavior, but rather just in public communication and discourse. Of course this only accentuates the hypocrisy, since they won't actually take steps to pursue equality or rights for the marginalized and disadvantaged, but they think they make up for that by burning you at the stake if you point it out openly.
 
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Hey @Null, what's Lowtax's parachute account on here named? I wanna ask him if he can get his ex-wife to teach me karate
 
BlueSpark said:
Why would he need a second account? His first isn't banned, and, even if it were, you don't need an account to see content here.
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Mostly for the joke, and he did get seriously hounded by goons for having an account here, so if he wanted to stay, it would stand to reason that he'd want a parachute if we're gonna sit around and come up with analysis on what the cucked leader of the goons might do
 
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