Serious LGBT Discussion

[TM Ambrose]

Because it feels good, relieves tension, and they came up in an environment that led to practicing it making sense.

yeah, except all those gay kids that grew up in highly christian homes, went to catholic schools and were told it was bad. Oh wait, i forgot gays convert, is that what you're saying. You basically implied that some gay people realize they're gay when they have gay sex, which is literally the most autistic thing i've ever read because it doesn't really acknowledge romantic attraction or sexual attraction, it just goes straight to sex.

 

[*Asterisk*]

so you're saying that 16 year old kids that kill themselves because they feel horrible for not being attracted to the opposite gender do so because they are gay sex addicts and NOT because homosexuality is a human nature that has happened to people for centuries?

You're missing the point. You're also under the mistaken impression that I think it's a bad thing just because I don't think it's biological. I don't. I think it's very much needed in society in many situations, and many unconsciously come to fit into that.

But once anyone finds a place for themselves and forms such strong emotional ties, not participating in it becomes tremendously depressing.

That aside, none of this is the reason why people who've had homosexual sex would kill themselves. Those who do that do it entirely because of the treatment they receive at the hands of other people.

 

[Dr. Meme]

You're missing the point. You're also under the mistaken impression that I think it's a bad thing just because I don't think it's biological. I don't. I think it's very much needed in society in many situations, and many unconsciously come to fit into that.

But once anyone finds a place for themselves and forms such strong emotional ties, not participating in it becomes tremendously depressing.

That aside, none of this is the reason why people who've had homosexual sex would kill themselves. Those who do that do it entirely because of the treatment they receive at the hands of other people.

and you're missing my point. Your whole argument rides on the assumption that choosing sexual partners isn't a biologically defined choice.

So let me ask a question. Have you ever been sexually attracted to someone of your same gender? IF your argument had any basis in reality the answer would be yes, because you can choose to be sexually attracted to men (riding on the assumption you are male).

 

[*Asterisk*]

yeah, except all those gay kids that grew up in highly christian homes, went to catholic schools and were told it was bad. Oh wait, i forgot gays convert, is that what you're saying. You basically implied that some gay people realize they're gay when they have gay sex, which is literally the most autistic thing i've ever read because it doesn't really acknowledge romantic attraction or sexual attraction, it just goes straight to sex.

You could say the same thing about people who take forbidden substances, promote forbidden political philosophies, or who practice fornication. People are curious for the unknown, and always act at least a little different from their parents in at least a few ways.

And again, none of this is the reason for LGBT suicides. They do that entirely because of the shame put upon them from other people, and the extreme degree of such shame. If we attach the same stigma to other tabboos, we see the exact same result.

 

[TM Ambrose]

You could say the same thing about people who take forbidden substances, promote forbidden political philosophies, or who practice fornication. People are curious for the unknown, and always act at least a little different from their parents in at least a few ways.

You're right, gays are just all rebellious teens, and people who have been raped.

And again, none of this is the reason for LGBT suicides.

Well actually some of it is due to people trying to fix them.

 

[*Asterisk*]

and you're missing my point. Your whole argument rides on the assumption that choosing sexual partners isn't a biologically defined choice.

So let me ask a question. Have you ever been sexually attracted to someone of your same gender? IF your argument had any basis in reality the answer would be yes, because you can choose to be sexually attracted to men (riding on the assumption you are male).

This'd prove nothing. It's be just as meaningless if I asked you the same question. And even if both our responses were yes or no, you can't use the particular and the knowingly observed to prove the general and the unconscious.

You find the truth by using actual proven methodology, and asking questions that can be falsified and are reliable.

 

[Dr. Meme]

You could say the same thing about people who take forbidden substances, promote forbidden political philosophies, or who practice fornication. People are curious for the unknown, and always act at least a little different from their parents in at least a few ways.

And again, none of this is the reason for LGBT suicides. They do that entirely because of the shame put upon them from other people, and the extreme degree of such shame. If we attach the same stigma to other tabboos, we see the exact same result.

So you're saying that gay people are gay because they want to be sexual deviants and have exotic sex and piss off mom and dad? lmao ok

Besides, the only way to really turn gay is to get a circumcision.

 

[JU 199]

@*Asterisk* I don't understand your logic.

 

[Fallensaint]

You could say the same thing about people who take forbidden substances, promote forbidden political philosophies, or who practice fornication. People are curious for the unknown, and always act at least a little different from their parents in at least a few ways.

And again, none of this is the reason for LGBT suicides. They do that entirely because of the shame put upon them from other people, and the extreme degree of such shame. If we attach the same stigma to other tabboos, we see the exact same result.

So let me see if I understand you?

1: Sex feels good, that feel good sensation is biologically programmed in order to incentivise us to reproduce
2: All sex feels good and homosexual sex falls under this umbrella
3: It is not biologically coded to have homosexual sex, it feeling good is more of an accident, just like masturbation that serves no biological purpose
4: The fact that homosexual sex is not biologically coded can be evidenced from the fact that no animal exclusively practices homosexuality

I just want it laid out because you're a bit all over the place.

 

[Dr. Meme]

@*Asterisk* I don't understand your logic.

dont you see? its really quite simple

People choose to be gay because somehow our bodies biologically know the earth is overpopulated, so humans decided "hey wouldn't it be great if we just had homosexual sex all the time? Sex feels good!" So the average person can just have sex with whoever they want, whenever they want.
People who identify as gay are actually just gay sex addicts who want to feel the forbidden pleasures and say "screw you to mom and dad". LGBT teens only kill themselves because everyone hates them for being gay, despite also being raised in an environment that promotes homosexual sex. Also everyone deep down is sexually attracted to everyone, as asterisk has experienced the "Kravings for Kock" and his experiences must be universal, right?

 

[JU 199]

People choose to be gay because somehow our bodies biologically know the earth is overpopulated, so humans decided "hey wouldn't it be great if we just had homosexual sex all the time? Sex feels good!" So the average person can just have sex with whoever they want, whenever they want.
People who identify as gay are actually just gay sex addicts who want to feel the forbidden pleasures and say "screw you to mom and dad". LGBT teens only kill themselves because everyone hates them for being gay, despite also being raised in an environment that promotes homosexual sex. Also everyone deep down is sexually attracted to everyone, as asterisk has experienced the "Kravings for Kock" and his experiences must be universal, right?

That's what he was getting at?

@*Asterisk* Have you ever had the inclination to fuck a man in the ass? It doesn't occur to straight people to do that...

 

[Dr. Meme]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States
THEY CHOSE IT @*Asterisk*
THEY CHOSE THEIR FATE
IT WAS ALL THEIR FAULT

 

[Fallensaint]

See @*Asterisk* the problem as I see it is you cite sheep as being the only example of animals engaging in habitual homosexual behavior?

But that BBC article gives a biological cause for exactly why those sheep display homosexual behavior and in fact provides evidence of a study that provides evidence of the same biological cause in humans.

You argue that "The only animals observed who practice homosexuality in the same way as modern humans are domesticated sheep, who don't live in anything close to a natural environment and have been selectively bred by humans in domestic environments for over ten thousand years."

Now humans don't live in anything close to a natural environment either and have been living like sheep "domesticated" for thousands of years. So while your argument could be correct in that there was no biological reason for homosexuality in our non human ancestors I fail to see why, like the sheep, a biological imperative towards homosexuality could not in fact have developed in humans perhaps due to the way we live.

 

[Rio]

I don't think homosexuality is genetic anymore. In fact, I've come to question the idea of sexual orientation altogether and now see things instead as sexual acts rather than sexuality.

That said, I still think there are numerous reasons why those who live in most domestic societies drift towards certain sexual preferences as opposed to others. Sexual segregation, environmental stress and a search for stress relief, cultural attitudes on which types of activity is or isn't acceptable for the situation you're in, and total reassurance of the continuation of the species are probably the biggest deciding factors that go into the equation based on what I've seen so far.

Have you considered the possibility that you might just be bisexual? Just because you feel like you could be attracted to both sexes, doesn't mean other people do too.

 

[*Asterisk*]

Have you considered the possibility that you might just be bisexual? Just because you feel like you could be attracted to both sexes, doesn't mean other people do too.

This isn't about any one person. It's about humanity as a whole.

One guy who really got it was Freud. He knew there was no innate reason for anybody to be any sexuality, while at the same time acknowledging that attempts to change sexuality by force for the sole reason of social dissaproval was both futile and cruel.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I can't tell whether @*Asterisk* is shitposting or serious

 

[TM Ambrose]

I can't tell whether @*Asterisk* is shitposting or serious

Seeing as he's reporting people over these, i'll assume he's serious.

 

[Rio]

This isn't about any one person. It's about humanity as a whole.

One guy who really got it was Freud. He knew there was no innate reason for anybody to be any sexuality, while at the same time acknowledging that attempts to change sexuality by force for the sole reason of social dissaproval was both futile and cruel.

Yeah, I know you're talking about humanity as a whole. I'm just saying it seems like you're basing your perceptions of humanity as a whole based on your own experiences. Hence my question.

Also, Freud's theories regarding homosexuality haven't actually ever been backed up by modern science, despite the many attempts made. There exists no evidence of any sort that support them. quoting him as your main source regarding the subject doesn't really mean anything. The only thing it shows is that you're basing your perceptions of life off of outdated and unproven research.

On top of that, he didn't really just state that it was futile to change a person's sexuality, he stated that it was either impossible or near-impossible, and in one case broke off the therapy for one case because he came to the conclusion that he couldn't change some lesbian's sexual orientation due to a biological disposition, thus acknowledging that it wasn't as simple as a choice, subconcious or otherwise.

 

[*Asterisk*]

Now humans don't live in anything close to a natural environment either and have been living like sheep "domesticated" for thousands of years. So while your argument could be correct in that there was no biological reason for homosexuality in our non human ancestors I fail to see why, like the sheep, a biological imperative towards homosexuality could not in fact have developed in humans perhaps due to the way we live.

If a biological imperative had developed, we'd see much more similar rates of homosexual practices in similar physical environments, but we don't. We'd also see close to a hundred percent of identical twins where one twin is homosexual guaranteeing the other is, but instead, it's closer to fifty percent. Not to mention that even though we have large numbers and have been mostly living in domestic environments for the last few thousand years: a) that's a drop in the bucket in genetic time, and; b) humans aren't that genetically diverse to begin with, even when compared to our closest relatives.

Besides, something not being genetic isn't the same as it being something to avoid. Homosexual sex is very much needed in many circumstances, and you can make the same arguments to justifiably defend masturbation, fornication, oral sex, and many other good and necessary at times things that were or might carry a tabboo.

Seeing as he's reporting people over these, i'll assume he's serious.

I did that solely because of the babyish ad-hominem of the posts I reported. I don't care about reporting any other kind of posts in this thread as long as it's on topic.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

If a biological imperative had developed, we'd see much more similar rates of homosexual practices in similar physical environments, but we don't. We'd also see close to a hundred percent of identical twins where one twin is homosexual guaranteeing the other is, but instead, it's closer to fifty percent. Not to mention that even though we have large numbers and have been mostly living in domestic environments for the last few thousand years: a) that's a drop in the bucket in genetic time, and; b) humans aren't that genetically diverse to begin with, even when compared to our closest relatives.

I can't statistics

I did that solely because of the babyish ad-hominem of the posts I reported. I don't care about reporting any other kind of posts in this thread as long as it's on topic.

That indicates that you are actually being serious though