Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[afounder]

@a founder - refreshing of you to admit that if I were saying these things on SS I’d get banned for taunting the poor, suicide-romanticizing 20-somethings that form your used base.
Since I can’t get banned for asking here: why is giving suicidal people a place to count grievances and plan their own deaths so important to you? I doubt it’s just a platonic ideal of free speech, if it were then people like me would be welcome over there. I’m kinda thinking you’re in much the same mental state as your users. You’re fixated on suicide as a solution to your perceived ills and think you’d be around somehow to enjoy the relief of not being alive anymore, which you would not be.

Due to the community culture, taunting the suicidal and mentally ill is something that isn't really tolerated over there. The forum isn't a free speech free-for-all either, as a forum like SS has to have strict guidelines due to the nature of the subject and to foster a supportive community, you have to have rules that ensure that you don't have bad actors or people there that just want to troll.

My personal beliefs are more diverse than "suicide is a solution" and if you actually took the time to read my positions on this very thread, you would know that. You would also know that my beliefs have shifted over time and I am not suicidal like I was when I started the forum. I think that if you have certain conditions that can't be cured or easily treatable, that you should have the option to opt out if you so choose.

the government of states that allow for assisted suicide/MAID all have similar requirements, so that euthanasia is only applied when it’s necessary. I’m sorry that the government won’t send a lethal dose of NaNO2- just because you’re frustrated. But you’re of no use to anyone dead.

The government of Canada has suggested that practitioners bring up MAID, even to individuals that may not have any visible health issues. A woman that was seeking help for her mental health issues was asked if she considered MAID and she was offended. I think the government actively trying to push people towards suicide instead of helping them with their conditions is much more concerning that a forum on the internet that allows discussion around the subject.

The article in question is pretty much the common experience that many have experienced with trying to seek help for the mental health issues, minus the MAID part.

 

[Markass the Worst]

The guy was literally talking to a self described 14 year old girl and telling her not to leave the site that he was working on the age issue to find a solution after we pressured him.

Well that's a brand new allegation. Care to elaborate? Or show proof?

 

[Stan]

Stop making sense to all this nonsense. This audience will never be receptive. Still have Smalls lying with every reply he makes. The guy was literally talking to a self described 14 year old girl and telling her not to leave the site that he was working on the age issue to find a solution after we pressured him.

It's a common foible of mine to try and convince people who don't want to be convinced. I agree that these Suicide Squad people are really married to the plan of (eventually) killing themselves and are willing to bring up *whatever* privation or edge case could possibly justify suicide, even though most of them are problems that these people do not have.

Spoiler: facts

Suicide Squad: You're not amputees, you're not dying of thirst in Gaza, you didn't lose your whole family's life savings to an MLM, you're not Hamlet, you're not blind, you're not paralyzed, your mental illness is treatable and you have access to that treatment, which you choose not to pursue.[/facts]

So I'm trying to find solutions for a group of people who don't want to hear their problem has a solution, which makes them a bit like incels now that I think of it. (Incels don't want to lower their standards, clean up their act, or hire a whore; they would rather bitch about women. SS users don't want to address their mental illness, take ownership of their own lives, improve whatever makes them miserable, or do the hard work of starting over; they want to romanticize and legitimize each other's SI.)

Why am I doing this? It's because I really have been there, experienced SI, felt that my life was a waste and that I really would have been better off dead. Those thoughts haunted me off-and-on since college. I may one day have to deal with them again. Mostly, they centered around career setbacks in the medical field, and once I got out of that field and got a job where people liked me and liked what I did, much of that pressure and self-hatred melted away like a snowbank in April. So my sympathy (and honest to gosh empathy for how bleak and horrible SI feels) and desire to pay it forward compelled me to come here and say what I've said, in hopes that maybe a couple of them might see around the blinkered, fatalistic tunnel-view that their mental status imposes upon them. I'm aware it's unlikely to work, although I am a little startled that this thread seems to have been given over to the cows.

Due to the community culture, taunting the suicidal and mentally ill is something that isn't really tolerated over there. The forum isn't a free speech free-for-all either, as a forum like SS has to have strict guidelines due to the nature of the subject and to foster a supportive community, you have to have rules that ensure that you don't have bad actors or people there that just want to troll.

"supportive community" bro you are actually saying I am taunting and antagonizing you by telling you and your homies to NOT kill themselves, by pointing out that life gets better, what kind of bizarro upside-down world do you live in? Because this ain't trolling or antagonizing, and I hesitate to say what I think WOULD be trolling or antagonizing you because I don't want your blood (or your community's blood) on my conscience.

You say you're over your own SI - good for you, I'm glad. I'm sorry that you haven't recovered enough to see how SS is a cancerous mass on the ass of the Internet, whose stated purpose contributes and supports suicidal people in making suicidal gestures in a cozy echo chamber of fellow suicide enthusiasts. I hope some day you come around on this and see that 'helping' other people into their graves is no help at all. You're just pandering to their mental illness, validating and romanticizing the most destructive decision a person can make. I'm prepared to make you an offer for the SS domain if you want to sell.

 

[afounder]

Well that's a brand new allegation. Care to elaborate? Or show proof?

Not really a new allegation, but definitely missing the context.

When I came out with the age restriction rules back in 2019, that user threatened to leave while we were ironing out the details of the rule and I do remember speaking to a user and telling that they shouldn't leave while we ironed out the details. At the end of the day, we decided to institute the rule and we banned anyone that had their age on the forum set to any age under 18 or any user that mentioned that they were under the age of 18.

 

[Stan]

Weird Facts about Suicide:
1. Suicide is more common in wealthier countries as compared to poorer ones. Fewer people proportionally die from suicide in West Africa than they do in Germany.
2. Women are more likely to experience SI, but men are more likely to die in suicidal gestures. The theory as to why is that men are more likely to choose firearms to make gestures, whereas women opt for medication overdoses/poisonings.
3. There is no correlation between suicide and religious affiliation.
4. Marriage is correlated with a reduced incidence of suicide. So is having children.
5. Suicide rates in the US rise from childhood to ~45, peak at 45-54, then decline, and then sharply rise again around age 74.
6. Deterrent barriers on popular jumping spots (ex. Golden Gate Bridge) have not been shown to increase the number of jumps from nearby but less-popular spots (i.e. people do not seem to jump off the nearby but less well-known SF-Oakland Bay Bridge because the GGB had barriers installed.)
7. The first documented instance of copycat suicide was in 1774; when Goethe published his first novel, The Sufferings of Young Werther. Certain men who read the book and identified with its protagonist were found to have ended their lives in a similar manner to Werther, oftentimes wearing similar yellow jackets and blue pants as Werther and using similar pistols. This was called "Werther Fever" and caused Leipzig to ban both the book and the Werther clothes in 1775.
8. Aokigahara, a wooded area at the foot of Mount Fuji, is also notortious for attracting copycat suicides after the location was used in the popular 1960 mystery novel Tower of Waves by Seichō Matsumoto.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

1. Suicide is more common in wealthier countries as compared to poorer ones

Bull

 

[AnOminous]

Bull

Quit feeding the troll. This cunt is just here to bait for more angry responses for another hit piece on the site.

 

[afounder]

"supportive community" bro you are actually saying I am taunting and antagonizing you by telling you and your homies to NOT kill themselves, by pointing out that life gets better, what kind of bizarro upside-down world do you live in? Because this ain't trolling or antagonizing, and I hesitate to say what I think WOULD be trolling or antagonizing you because I don't want your blood (or your community's blood) on my conscience.

Again, the platitudes aren't helpful to those that have been abused or suffering debilitating diseases or conditions. Just going around handing out suicide hotline numbers (which are unhelpful, except for 1 or 2 of them) and telling people that things will get better will often do more harm than good. Sometimes you have to allow people to vent. If discussing a method (which the vast majority of people never go through with) puts them at ease then

You say you're over your own SI - good for you, I'm glad. I'm sorry that you haven't recovered enough to see how SS is a cancerous mass on the ass of the Internet

Just like you're a cancerous mass on this forum and every thread you decide to engage in? Be gracious that Josh does believe in free speech and tolerates people like you here.

Your statement here exemplifies that you don't really care about people that are going through problems. You only want to steer people away from suicide because it makes you feel good inside. You think that giving your platitudes to someone with a complex problem and have been experiencing non-stop issues will suddenly cure them of their SI.

I'm here to tell you that it won't.

whose stated purpose contributes and supports suicidal people in making suicidal gestures in a cozy echo chamber of fellow suicide enthusiasts.

Sounds like something an emotional charged person would say about the community.

The forums stated purpose is to provide a space for the suicidal to speak anonymously without being judged.

I hope some day you come around on this and see that 'helping' other people into their graves is no help at all. You're just pandering to their mental illness, validating and romanticizing the most destructive decision a person can make.

That's not the point of the website.

The point of the website is to help people vent and to give support to those that need it. The vast majority of the people that visit the forum or are members on the website do not end up committing suicide at all. For every person that has ended up taking their own life, there are probably 20 others that have used the forum to vent and have left.

I'm prepared to make you an offer for the SS domain if you want to sell.

If I still owned the domain, I wouldn't sell it to you for any amount.

The fact that you think pointing the site to some Suicide Hotline that treats every suicidal person they speak to like a criminal is more than enough reason to believe that you're just a do-gooder that doesn't truly care about the issue and would rather push the mentally ill and suicidal towards a broken system that doesn't know how to best serve them.

 

[Stan]

Quit feeding the troll. This cunt is just here to bait for more angry responses for another hit piece on the site.

Why so hostile? I've no plans to write more about you to the media, although if I did, I'd have more than enough to say about the Kiwi Farms without baiting you idiots into making more obscene and toxic commentary. Stop being such a knobhead.

Just like you're a cancerous mass on this forum and every thread you decide to engage in? Be gracious that Josh does believe in free speech and tolerates people like you here.

ooh you gotta get Big Daddy involved?
Go on then, state your case for why trying to encourage your pals not to neck themselves is toxic behavior.

Suicide Hotline that treats every suicidal person they speak to like a criminal

No, they don't, and you only think that because you are concerned they would Baker Act callers. If you don't want to get put on a psych hold, stop trying to fucking kill yourself and the cops'll leave you be, simple as.

 

[Stan]

If I still owned the domain, I wouldn't sell it to you for any amount.

32 ETH and a sandwich. Negotiable on the toppings.

 

[afounder]

ooh you gotta get Big Daddy involved?
Go on then, state your case for why trying to encourage your pals not to neck themselves is toxic behavior.

I think I have stated my case over the 184 posts that I have made here. If you want to read what my case is, then you can read through my posts.

No, they don't, and you only think that because you are concerned they would Baker Act callers. If you don't want to get put on a psych hold, stop trying to fucking kill yourself and the cops'll leave you be, simple as.

Baker Act abuse got so bad in Florida that even the journos started calling it out.

Lack of follow-ups after commitment is one of the biggest complaints there. Unlike you, I don't trust our institutions to do the right thing and abuses of the system go unchecked and ignored while the mentally ill suffer.

32 ETH and a sandwich. Negotiable on the toppings.

 

[Stan]

Your "permissions" are severely lacking and I don't know if you've ever stared down the barrel of a barrage of doctors telling you that for the next months/years you will be going through the worst pain/sickness you've ever felt becoming an afterimage of yourself and even then it may all be for nothing, I don't know about you but I'd rather go out while I still look and feel like me.

Actually I have. And I’ve suffered career setbacks, heartbreak, the works. The ones that hurt me the most was career setbacks - my first attempt was after my supervisor dressed me down in front of all my colleagues, and the study nurse more or less said it was her duty as a mandated reporter to send me to ER. I was sectioned (that is what we call it in Mass) there, it was awful, I didn’t even have a spare pair of contact lenses. I didn’t want to go, but I don’t think anybody held on an involuntary psych hold would want to go to a psych hospital. I left 5 days later ama. It took two more hospitalizations before i really improved. So while I’ll acknowledge that it’s disempowering, scary, and infantilizing to be put on a psych hold against your will, I’m not going to dispute its necessity. The second time around I believe it really did save my life, as in, if they had not put me on section I would have poisoned myself with fentanyl (easily obtainable around my former workplace).

You want one more unwanted opinion before I go on my SS (scheduled sabbath lmao)? I rather doubt it, but you’re getting it anyway:

I used to cut myself as an expression of distress. (nssi) l Every time I did, I felt so stupid in the moments after cutting. There was no relief, no feeling of release. I felt like I’d just added to all my problems by adding the problem of an open wound to my left forearm. And I’d be scared because I knew I couldn’t seek medical attention without being sectioned - in hindsight, rightly so. I’ve earned a couple ugly scars this way.

I don’t want other people to come to think that self harm or death will solve their problems because I know it’s not true.

I think I have stated my case over the 184 posts that I have made here. If you want to read what my case is, then you can read through my posts.



Baker Act abuse got so bad in Florida that even the journos started calling it out.

Lack of follow-ups after commitment is one of the biggest complaints there. Unlike you, I don't trust our institutions to do the right thing and abuses of the system go unchecked and ignored while the mentally ill suffer.

The institutions, like me, may not tell you what you want to hear, but they’re telling you what you need to know. There is nothing beyond that curtain, friend, or at least nothing I can vouch for. It’s possible that the afterlife is nonexistent, and only God will remember you after you die. You won’t be around to experience the relief from distress and peace of a suicide (I know you are not currently suicidal; but I hope Elena and others contemplating the great egress read this.) I don’t want that for you guys. I’m trying to be nice about it, but you’ll discount everything I say as paternalism or blind obedience to the system. It isn’t, I speak from the faith of salvation. The Holy Spirit would rescue you too if you let her.

I’d revise the offer but iirc you sold already so I’ll need to go to the new new owners. Which one are you though - Sarge or Marquis??

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

I would have poisoned myself with fentanyl (easily obtainable around my former workplace).

This is a troll post, right? Right?

 

[dick brain]

Actually I have. And I’ve suffered career setbacks, heartbreak, the works. The ones that hurt me the most was career setbacks

Holy fucking shit, imagine unironically saying "I know what it's like to be suicidal, I how terminally ill people feel, because my boss was mean to me."

This is a troll post, right? Right?

It has to be. There's no way.

 

[Xenomorph]

Holy fucking shit, imagine unironically saying "I know what it's like to be suicidal, I how terminally ill people feel, because my boss was mean to me."

It has to be. There's no way.

lmao I think so as well because holy fucking shit the tone deafness in that post was astounding to say the least.
MY BOSS WAS MEAN TO ME > Terminal disease

fucking whet.

 

[PPEcel]

Holy fucking shit, imagine unironically saying "I know what it's like to be suicidal, I how terminally ill people feel, because my boss was mean to me."

hahahahahaha

Stan should unironically kill himself now.

 

[Dasjas Watanid Tabas]

Powerleveling about being fat/diddled as a kid/suicidal because people at your workplace were mean to you to own le chuds again, are we?

 

[suspended animation]

Proselytizing to suicidal people is useless; to us nonreligious people, it's absolutely meaningless. God is just a reference to an acquaintance of yours and has no bearing on our life and signifies nothing. To proselytize to (formerly or currently) religious people is probably like a slap in the face as you tell them to turn to the God who is failing them.

Forums where suicidal people can openly and honestly discuss their suicidal thoughts is absolutely necessary to those people who find solace in knowing they're not alone. It may be unhealthy for some people to dwell in suicidal ideation, but that's no fucking excuse to torture those people whose only relief comes from sharing their pain with others who can understand it. No one who has legitimately been at their personal rock-bottom would try to deprive other people of what brings them some comfort. ( I don't use SS; when I'm at my lowest, I turn to poetry like Plath and Sexton, because I can then say to myself "someone understands" and sometimes there is just no feeling as therapeutic as not feeling alone when you're in despair. Anyone who has an ounce of empathy can look at their personal experiences like these and see that this is what appeals to SS users.)

While being institutionalized may be ideal for some, it would be disastrous for many others. That's great that it works for some but fuck off with acting like it helps everyone when many of us here can probably attest to having been in therapy for many, many years- if not decades.

What brings me the most comfort, ironically, is having an exit plan. Knowing that there is a way out of pain in case it becomes overwhelming makes suffering endurable.

I hope SS lives on and brings peace to those who need it, in whatever form that means.

 

[LulzaSS]

Someone like Kelli will be like "a forum is coaching kids to suicide" and the congressman in question will not do any sort of investigation beyond reading biased news articles from journos to form their opinions and wonder why the Department of Justice couldn't do anything

Just because a politican says they read something does not mean they did. I remember someone trolled an NZ politician with the dihydrogen monoxide meme and the politician said he searched it and agreed to make a bill. He only realized later he got trolled when people were making fun of him on shitter. If anyone knows the name of the politician, please say.

Kelli. just because a politician makes a bill does not mean it is correct by itself.

Stop making sense to all this nonsense. This audience will never be receptive. Still have Smalls lying with every reply he makes. The guy was literally talking to a self described 14 year old girl and telling her not to leave the site that he was working on the age issue to find a solution after we pressured him.

Keep crying. You do not listen to logic. You want a monster to blame for your loss. There is no monster. You can not even decide if the monster is afounder or the mods or Rain (you believe Rain and afounder to be same because you are a moron and need to take your placebo to make you feel better).

Let me say again. There is no such monster. Your kid is crying about their death being used for some stupid bill that will never pass. Your love with your kid was fake and you know it. You are doing dangerous options by trying to shut down the site. Many users have said that they have nowhere to go with the site being gone. You will hurt more families then the death of your kid.

Your actions to today have never worked for you. Just please think about why! Maybe then people would not make fun of you. I am not mad or trying to a-log i am just dissapointed.

The fact you liked this post is all we need to know.


With chip out of the way here is some bonus stuff if anyone likes to have a lul after that serious text.

Guy who plays fortnite everyday and hates «them all» because a black guy made fun of fortnite threatens to report me to the FBI and claims to have backdoored SS (in reference to me saying that SS doesn't have backdoors for the safety bill).

Spoiler: welikefortnite!

ZOMG PROOF THAT ALLA FORTINAEIGHT PLAYERARS ARE RACERS!!

This guy will not stop talking about this specific avatar

 

[CB_]

I liked the post due to its stupidity and I see you are following suit with more of the same. To be clear I know very well who is who. As far as bill, have no idea what you are talking about.