Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

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This was and is Lamarcus Small's incel forum btw. Constant flow of accounts on his forum with tens of thousands of posts directing people to SS.

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CB_ said:
The BS is coming on strong in this conversation. Can practically smell it through the screen.
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Back from your sleep eh?

If you can smell BS from your screen thats the BS that you produce overflowing from your toilet right now. Fix it up instead of crying about a suicide forum. We didnt kill your child. The mods didnt eat your kid.

Doubly Punished Snigger said:
I'm going to operate under the assumption that you are actually the founder. What measures does your site take in order to actually protect people from predatory sadists that very much would be attracted to a site like this, and likely already are?
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He no longer controls the site. He has made a comment about his team. While I am only a chat mod, i can comment on some things of the current admins

-Users are told to report suspicious behavior. They act like we are telling them that 2+2=4.
-We only see stuff that is reported. We dont have a backdoor into your dm's
-Users who are suspicious usually have extra eyes from both users and mods if they choose.
-Every user is innocent until guilty.
-There arent moderation bans on users that were against the opinion of the public.
 
Doubly Punished Snigger said:
"screening new members" is a great line, but how effective is that in reality? Idk man, I almost wonder if there's actually a way to safely moderate something like this. KF is a retarded drama forum and the bullshit we deal with both internally and externally is already substantial, I can't imagine the delicacy necessary for something like this is insignificant. It's a lot of responsibility, even with the best of intentions.
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Unfortunately, there is no easy way to do it. There was stuff proposed but we couldn't exactly do a background check on every person that joins either. Nor would it necessarily be effective. I think the best thing we can do is to make sure that bad actors are removed.

It is lots of responsibility, but at the end of the day, I think the forum has done more good than bad. I think having the space there for people to vent is good. The vast majority of people that come to the site leave alive and often feel better overall.

I think the point that many journos and these other people don't really understand or care to understand the forum dynamics and just want to cast us off as "evil man running suicide forum" and collect their Pulitzers, but the fact is that this community wasn't some big bad place created by evil people. It was made to be an open discussion forum where you can speak and it continues to be one of the few places where you can speak about taboo topics such as suicide without judgement. Even academia acknowledges the usefulness of the forum, but you'll never see this being talked about.

All you'll see is journos yelling "Do you have any remorse for the dead" at some guy that's been trying to mind his own business for the past 2 years.
 
Idk guys, it just seems like way too much responsibility, and the amount of ways it can be FUBAR'd are infinitely more than those that it can go right. I don't think this sort of venture is a good idea.
 
melo said:
This was and is Lamarcus Small's incel forum btw. Constant flow of accounts on his forum with tens of thousands of posts directing people to SS.

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How am I supposed to control that? If someone posts links to another forum then that's really nothing I can control. I can't control what people post.
 
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Are these official referrals from Small? No? Then nobody cares.

The 15 year old is concerning though. If the 15 year old was identified they would be banned.
 
I'd be really curious to see what Josh had to say about this, given the topic of forum responsibility and moderation being familiar
 
i don't really see the big deal. suicide isn't too much more tragic than any other cause of death. i think it's more tragic than dying of natural causes at old age while satisfied with the life you lived, but less tragic than, idk, a young healthy person getting double-cancer or run over by a drunk driver or whatever. i guess dumb, irrational kids that rope over things like getting dumped are pretty tragic, but is it really that tragic if a 40-year-old loser with a crystallized, miserable personality decides to check out?

imo, the real reason people freak out so much about suicide is that it implies something about the people left behind. See: the crazy narcissist parents here in the thread.
 
LulzaSS said:
Thats not official. Those are users. I would be feeling worse if marquis actually referred minors.
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I didn't say either way whether he did. They're completely anonymous accounts. You are pretty adamant he didn't without prompting though.
 
Doubly Punished Snigger said:
Idk guys, it just seems like way too much responsibility, and the amount of ways it can be FUBAR'd are infinitely more than those that it can go right. I don't think this sort of venture is a good idea.
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If every inventor that made a major discovery said "eh this is too much responsibility and the amount of ways this could be used could go wrong" we wouldn't really have much.

The truth is that is no one took the risk or chances due to responsibility, then we wouldn't have much at all.

I don't regret setting up the site at all, regardless of what journos want to claim about me. Sometimes someone has to take the risk.
 
afounder said:
If every inventor that made a major discovery said "eh this is too much responsibility and the amount of ways this could be used could go wrong" we wouldn't really have much.

The truth is that is no one took the risk or chances due to responsibility, then we wouldn't have much at all.

I don't regret setting up the site at all, regardless of what journos want to claim about me. Sometimes someone has to take the risk.
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There's a difference between taking a risk financially on an invention and engaging in an activity that could lead to someone's demise. The cost benefit analysis here is very clear
 
Doubly Punished Snigger said:
Idk guys, it just seems like way too much responsibility, and the amount of ways it can be FUBAR'd are infinitely more than those that it can go right. I don't think this sort of venture is a good idea.
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The sign-up process requires you to answer why you want to join. RAS currently controls that.

Answers that are
-lazy (i wanna die)
-short (because i wanna kms)
-obvious tantacrul (my name is mart oh i mean martinez keary, i wanna join and kms with SN from KL.)

are usually rejected.

Most applications are rejected. Lots of trash. Thats why we have a caring userbase. Users who are truthful are let in because they reflect what we want.

Not trying to say that its impossible to fool the system, im saying that trolls who want to ruin days need to be smart. There is a fine line between dumb enough to troll and smart enough to not.
 
LulzaSS said:
The sign-up process requires you to answer why you want to join. RAS currently controls that.

Answers that are
-lazy (i wanna die)
-short (because i wanna kms)
-obvious tantacrul (my name is mart oh i mean martinez keary, i wanna join and kms with SN from KL.)

are usually rejected.

Most applications are rejected. Lots of trash. Thats why we have a caring userbase. Users who are truthful are let in because they reflect what we want.

Not trying to say that its impossible to fool the system, im saying that trolls who want to ruin days need to be smart. There is a fine line between dumb enough to troll and smart enough to not.
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We aren't really talking about trolling though, but rather people using this kind of community as a killing field.
This isn't even a speculative possibility, there have been multiple cases of this happening on similar sites.
This one specifically comes to mind
 
melo said:
I didn't say either way whether he did. They're completely anonymous accounts. You are pretty adamant he didn't without prompting though.
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That was your chance to give actual evidence instead of the anti SS bullshit. I am not crying when you show screenshots from other users. Their fault for bringing a minor (we will happily ban that minor if you know the account.)

If marquis forwarded minors to the site directly, that is when i will reconsider my side.

Everything you have said is just the same bullshit. Put new evidence.
 
I'm not going to lie, I was kind of open to the idea of this sort of site, but the admins ITT are very glib about the risks of something like this, and that's highly concerning. This isn't some experiment you run for shits and gigs, this is a very serious responsibility, and from what I've seen you guys aren't up to the task. I sincerely hope no harm came from this site, but frankly I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
 
Doubly Punished Snigger said:
I sincerely hope no harm came from this site, but frankly I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
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I heard a couple of people killed themselves because Chip and his friends doxed them for using the site but I have not seen receipts. I'm not aware of anyone being alleged to have been groomed into suicide by psycho trolls on the site though.
 
Doubly Punished Snigger said:
I'm not going to lie, I was kind of open to the idea of this sort of site, but the admins ITT are very glib about the risks of something like this, and that's highly concerning. This isn't some experiment you run for shits and gigs, this is a very serious responsibility, and from what I've seen you guys aren't up to the task. I sincerely hope no harm came from this site, but frankly I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
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a bloo bloo suicide mind virus :crocodile:

justice for byuu, amirite sisters
 
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