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More like Higurashi Shitshow, amirite?

So glad I'm not actually watching it.
 

Someone made a Happy Tree Friends meme over Higurashi no Na ku Koro ni Sotsu.

Also, if you type in “Higurashi sotsu” meme, you’ll notice that there’s more videos about how Satoko randomly shoots guns at her uncle and kills Keiichi, while Rika gets slammed and smashed in a toilet with her arms still in the air. :story:
 
How did Rika forget that Takano killed her if she saw Takano do it the first time?
 
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Different locks and handles, yet somehow it's the exact same place.

Consistency errors? hackjob writing? laziness?
It's magic.
 
Gensou Hadou said:
How did Rika forget that Takano killed her if she saw Takano do it the first time?
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I know we all agree that Sotsu is a joke, but speedwatching this hard? Rika not retaining the memory of her death is explained so many times over every version of the story that I can't even imagine how you'd forget about it. It's why her deciding to kill herself in Meakashi instead of letting Shion torture her again is such a big deal, since it means that the torture went on for so fucking long that Rika retains partial memory of it.
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In other news, the manga finally reached the end of Nekodamashi, and it's pretty different from the anime:
There's no resolution for the Takano stuff, there's no meeting with Hanyuu after Tataridamashi, nor is the sword/shard ever brought up, Shion is actually present at the birthday party (really bizarre that she wasn't there in the anime), Satoko's gun holster is actually shown instead of her just pulling the gun out of her ass, and instead of Rika setting up the box as a deliberate trap to reveal Satoko, Rika doesn't suspect anything whatsoever, and is completely shocked when she notices Satoko react so strongly to seeing the box.
Not sure how they're planning to resolve all this, but I think it's pretty safe to say that Rika is completely fucked at this point, at least as far as this world goes.
 
So the only injection that was ever shown onscreen was Rena's, and that was because she was asleep at the time. How did Satoko inject Mion? Kimiyoshi? Akasaka? She just walks up to Akasaka, are we supposed to believe that a 12yo girl can just subdue a guy who PUNCHED OUT A CAR and inject him like that? You'd think how laboriously they've drawn everything out and explained even the most obvious detail that they'd actually take the time to show that. Is it that Passione are too lazy to draw new scenes or that they know that it's terrible writing that they could never make convincing and have to edit their way around it? You decide.
Gensou Hadou said:
I don't know what you guys are talking about. The new episode was amazing! The part where Satoko fought Akane was my favorite. Look at her go!
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lol that's exactly the first thing I thought of as well!

It's not just Satoko dodging the attacks that makes this funny, what puts it over the top is the immediate cut to Satoko putting the gun to Akane's chin mid-movement. 10/10 editing Passione, you guys are definitely the next Madhouse.

Kari Kamiya said:
Given Rika is unconscious, I legit think this is just Hanyuu dumping exposition on her character onto the newcomers who shouldn't be watching this shit to begin with.
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Yeah that sounds about right. Five minutes for an exposition dump of things we already knew. When Gou started you had people (idiots) saying that it was better than DEEN because it was more slowly paced (since a criticism of DEEN is how quickly it goes through things). But DEEN actually managed to cram actual character and intrigue into its breezy adaption, Passione just stretch scenes out longer with tedious dialogue that draaaaaaags everything out. And yet we skip through lots of shit that is actually important like this episode. Gou has all the negatives of DEEN and none of the positives. Passione's pacing is horrendous.

R.E.O. Speedwagon said:
In other news, the manga finally reached the end of Nekodamashi, and it's pretty different from the anime:
There's no resolution for the Takano stuff, there's no meeting with Hanyuu after Tataridamashi, nor is the sword/shard ever brought up, Shion is actually present at the birthday party (really bizarre that she wasn't there in the anime), Satoko's gun holster is actually shown instead of her just pulling the gun out of her ass, and instead of Rika setting up the box as a deliberate trap to reveal Satoko, Rika doesn't suspect anything whatsoever, and is completely shocked when she notices Satoko react so strongly to seeing the box.
Not sure how they're planning to resolve all this, but I think it's pretty safe to say that Rika is completely fucked at this point, at least as far as this world goes.
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It's been said here plenty of times already, but the manga is genuinely better than the anime. I'm vaguely interested in how much different it will be now that it's up to Satokowashi, but I doubt it'll be able to actually make the St Lucia backstory any less stupid. At least we got a 100% confirmation that Satoko has a holster, I mean everyone already believed it but at least we know that Sotsugyou is just a tiiiiiiiiiny bit less retarded than we thought.
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Idiot Asshole said:
It's been said here plenty of times already, but the manga is genuinely better than the anime. I'm vaguely interested in how much different it will be now that it's up to Satokowashi, but I doubt it'll be able to actually make the St Lucia backstory any less stupid. At least we got a 100% confirmation that Satoko has a holster, I mean everyone already believed it but at least we know that Sotsugyou is just a tiiiiiiiiiny bit less retarded than we thought.
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The manga definitely can't handle it any worse than the anime did, that's for certain. For starters, the manga doesn't have to deal with the anime direction, who apparently said that he couldn't really see much in Satoko's character in the original outside of her being an abused child, which immediately explains a lot about how her character was handled throughout the entire show.
We already know that Tomato's Rika is a way better interpretation than the anime version, at the very least.

Anime Rika just feels like an excessively cynical interpretation of her character, and while I'm fairly strongly inclined towards the more cynical interpretations of her myself, the Gou/Sotsu anime just feels like it's not even trying most of the time. Having her give up after only three loops, none of which really showed any real effort on her part, and then spend most of the Nekodamashi loops just sitting there while barely showing any emotion and spending her time making snippy comments, even in the world with fucking Akasaka, does absolutely nothing to make me give a shit about her. The disembowelment loop is the only one that really hits like it should because Rika actually reacts like you'd expect her to and the whole event clearly affects her.
At least with Tomato's version it feels like he actually took into account how Rika would've changed after five years of peace, and given a chance to live something of a normal life again. She actually gets involved during Tataridamashi, spends Nekodamashi trying to desperately cling to what little hope she has left while stuck in an endless spiral of getting brutally murdered, and then has her faith in Keiichi and especially Akasaka utterly broken, even before she has to deal with Satoko disembowelling her. I actually care about Rika's suffering in this version because Rika actually feels human in this one.

I expect that with some monologues, Tomato will be able to depict Satoko's gradual mental deterioration much more convincingly, and hopefully put to rest ridiculous meme phrases like "why didn't she just study". Drawing more attention to the particular stages Satoko goes through as she grows more and more depraved would be a big improvement, too.
He probably can't save this script, but I have enough faith in Tomato to believe that he'll at least do a much better job with the characters.
Personally, though, I don't think Satoko's motivations are any more retarded than Takano's motivations were, but few people take issue with her since the execution was handled so much better. At the very least, Satoko could actually achieve her goals, while Takano was always going to be executed, and all research on Hinamizawa Syndrome destroyed, with Hifumi's life work only ever being recognized so it could be used for a genocide to benefit a bunch of sociopaths trying to get a political advantage over their rivals.
 
I don't recall if this got brought up, but why the fuck was hanyuu not present after Matsuribayashi? The whole "I'm fading away" in Gou isn't until 1988. Why does the club seem to have no memory of Hanyuu when she was there and was key to beating Takano? I was confused enough when she was suddenly a spirit again in Saikoroshi? Did they just go "oh she moved away" at some point and I missed it?
 
Return of the Freaker said:
I don't recall if this got brought up, but why the fuck was hanyuu not present after Matsuribayashi? The whole "I'm fading away" in Gou isn't until 1988. Why does the club seem to have no memory of Hanyuu when she was there and was key to beating Takano? I was confused enough when she was suddenly a spirit again in Saikoroshi? Did they just go "oh she moved away" at some point and I missed it?
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We can deduce from the latest episode that Hanyuu probably fucked off right after Saikoroshi, which would put it roughly two months after the events of Matsuribayashi. No clue when Hanyuu gave up on a physical form, though, since it's not hinted anywhere, though it probably would've happened less than a month after Matsuri since she doesn't appear in the opening of Saikoroshi, either, which took place in July. We're never given any reason why she couldn't continue living alongside the rest of the cast, so I guess it was just Ryukishi wanting to soft retcon it, just like the idea of Satoshi ever getting a happy ending.
Nobody showing any signs of remembering Hanyuu after Matsuri is probably just witch god magics, if you really want to fish for an answer. There's never been any actual explanations for it, at least. Worrying about plot holes and consistent characterization is for chumps, obviously. Don't bother asking why Hanyuu is suddenly okay with just heading off to the Sea of Fragments after spending a hundred years forcing Rika into a hellish time loop because she didn't want to be lonely. She saw a miracle happen, everything is okay now.
Ultimately, we're just left with the idea that after putting Rika through a dream in which she may or may not have killed her mother, the failure figured that Rika was going to be okay and all those issues originating from her looping weren't gonna be a problem. The heavily traumatized century-old child has another heavily traumatized child with her, I'm sure they'll do fine together. Supportive parents are overrated, anyway.
 
R.E.O. Spedwagon said:
We can deduce from the latest episode that Hanyuu probably fucked off right after Saikoroshi, which would put it roughly two months after the events of Matsuribayashi. No clue when Hanyuu gave up on a physical form, though, since it's not hinted anywhere, though it probably would've happened less than a month after Matsuri since she doesn't appear in the opening of Saikoroshi, either, which took place in July. We're never given any reason why she couldn't continue living alongside the rest of the cast, so I guess it was just Ryukishi wanting to soft retcon it, just like the idea of Satoshi ever getting a happy ending.
Nobody showing any signs of remembering Hanyuu after Matsuri is probably just witch god magics, if you really want to fish for an answer. There's never been any actual explanations for it, at least. Worrying about plot holes and consistent characterization is for chumps, obviously. Don't bother asking why Hanyuu is suddenly okay with just heading off to the Sea of Fragments after spending a hundred years forcing Rika into a hellish time loop because she didn't want to be lonely. She saw a miracle happen, everything is okay now.
Ultimately, we're just left with the idea that after putting Rika through a dream in which she may or may not have killed her mother, the failure figured that Rika was going to be okay and all those issues originating from her looping weren't gonna be a problem. The heavily traumatized century-old child has another heavily traumatized child with her, I'm sure they'll do fine together. Supportive parents are overrated, anyway.
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So basically it's another case of Ryukishi not being as good as everyone thinks? Sounds about right. Now I'm wondering who wrote Kokoroiyashi-hen, the manga's post-matsuri finale. As far as I'm concerned, retcon Saikoroshi to put Hanyuu visiting in the hospital with the rest of the club, then Kokoroiyashi, then maybe Yumeutsushi-hen from Kira, then the final 1984 scene from Kokoroiyashi. As far as I'm concerned that's how Higurashi ends

Edit: MyAnimeList credits R07 for the story on Kokoroiyashi. Wtf he just can't commit to a story direction god damn
 
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Return of the Freaker said:
I wish I could still summon up a fuck to give. As far as I'm concerned, Higurashi ends in 1984 with Rika getting off the phone with Hanyuu and visiting Akasaka in Tokyo.
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Absolutely agreed. I dropped Sotsu after that split Satoko crap. It’s just stupid.
 
Return of the Freaker said:
So basically it's another case of Ryukishi not being as good as everyone thinks? Sounds about right. Now I'm wondering who wrote Kokoroiyashi-hen, the manga's post-matsuri finale. As far as I'm concerned, retcon Saikoroshi to put Hanyuu visiting in the hospital with the rest of the club, then Kokoroiyashi, then maybe Yumeutsushi-hen from Kira, then the final 1984 scene from Kokoroiyashi. As far as I'm concerned that's how Higurashi ends

Edit: MyAnimeList credits R07 for the story on Kokoroiyashi. Wtf he just can't commit to a story direction god damn
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Ryukishi gets a "original work" credit for Kokoroiyashi, but Yuna Kagesaki gets a full authorial credit on Kadokawa's website. It's probably about as canonical as the stories in Kataribanashi, and Onisarashi remains the only manga-original arc that Ryukishi was actually involved with as a writer.
Plus, it's really hard to fit it in a timeline with Saikoroshi, since Rika spent most of that summer in a coma recovering from a severe traffic accident, and wouldn't really have much opportunities to try to travel to Tokyo, and that's not even going into how Hanyuu keeps her physical body in Kokoroiyashi.
 
R.E.O. Spedwagon said:
Ryukishi gets a "original work" credit for Kokoroiyashi, but Yuna Kagesaki gets a full authorial credit on Kadokawa's website. It's probably about as canonical as the stories in Kataribanashi, and Onisarashi remains the only manga-original arc that Ryukishi was actually involved with as a writer.
Plus, it's really hard to fit it in a timeline with Saikoroshi, since Rika spent most of that summer in a coma recovering from a severe traffic accident, and wouldn't really have much opportunities to try to travel to Tokyo, and that's not even going into how Hanyuu keeps her physical body in Kokoroiyashi.
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Huh. I don't recall Rika being in a coma all summer but then again I'm only really familiar with deen's version of Saikoroshi and it's been a while. Eh, if I had to get rid of one or the other to get an actually good sequel instead of Gou/Sotsu I'd honestly keep Kokoroiyashi. Hell, there's a fucking fanfic that does post-Matsuri better:

 
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