Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

[R.E.O. Spedwagon]

Huh. I don't recall Rika being in a coma all summer but then again I'm only really familiar with deen's version of Saikoroshi and it's been a while. Eh, if I had to get rid of one or the other to get an actually good sequel instead of Gou/Sotsu I'd honestly keep Kokoroiyashi. Hell, there's a fucking fanfic that does post-Matsuri better:

https://m.fanfiction.net/s/4264336/1/

Yeah, it's explicitly said to be a month, so by the time she woke up, it would've been somewhere in August. I won't claim to know exactly how Japanese school holidays work, but I imagine that between the coma and the subsequent recovery afterwards, she didn't have many opportunities to enjoy her summer vacation in the first summer after she managed to avoid her fated death, all because the dumb meeper refused to pay attention to the road.
As an aside, I can't recommend using DEEN's adaptation for anything. Even though the later seasons aren't anywhere near as bad as the first, it still has significant plot-related issues, such as how the twin switch being skipped in Meakashi fucks up their dynamic even in DEEN's Saikoroshi, since the whole twist of Mion being the actual oldest twin this time is ignored to match their own canon, even though that whole scene where it was explained was all about how everyone in that world managed to avoid their life-defining sin.
They also cut the scene where Rika ends up running into the bathroom after Reina offers to trade some of her lunch for Rika's shit food right after Satoko tells her to stop staring, which ends with her crying into a bunch of toilet paper about how this world doesn't matter because in her own world Satoko is her best friend and the club members would never let Rika sit through lunch by herself, which is what convinced Rika to do whatever it takes to go back.
Even the scenes that aren't cut lost a lot in the adaptation. When Rika chairs Satoko in the VN , she also starts thinking about how she could kill Satoko here and it wouldn't have any consequences for the Satoko of her own world, which is a sentiment that is obviously highly relevant now, but was significant even back then, because it goes a long way to depict how looping fucks with someone's mind and why it was such a huge sin for Hanyuu to turn Rika into a looper when she first died.

Really, I recommend taking a look at the Saikoroshi VN if you got a chance. It's short and easily digestible, but there's a good number of important things in there critical to a good understanding of the series.

 

[SummonerofLain]

Honestly would be more interesting to make Featherine come off as an Alien at this point. It was admitted that Hanyuu and the like were aliens in the VN.

Sotsu is already a massive fucking joke may as well go all the way.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Honestly would be more interesting to make Featherine come off as an Alien at this point. It was admitted that Hanyuu and the like were aliens in the VN.

Sotsu is already a massive fucking joke may as well go all the way.

Yeah no. Nothing in Kamikashimashi is canon. It's too stupid imo

EDIT: Time for this Thursday's Eua meme face! Last week we got the AhegAuAu, now we get a 10/10 DIO impression!

And a good impression of how a good chunk of the fandom feels. We share your pain, Rika-chama

 

[Trombonista]

I don't think I posted this one yet:

 

[R.E.O. Spedwagon]

Yeah no. Nothing in Kamikashimashi is canon. It's too stupid imo

It probably isn't canon, no, but with Tamura being fairly prominent in Mei, it's not quite irrelevant, either.
And honestly, if Sotsu is going to explain Satoko's sudden ability to dodge sword strikes and shoot faster than Lucky Luke by saying it's due to her developing witch powers/Eua's influence, I'd probably take it, since it would at least some degree of sense, especially with how Hanyuu now has the same kind of glowing eyes that the loopers do.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

It probably isn't canon, no, but with Tamura being fairly prominent in Mei, it's not quite irrelevant, either.
And honestly, if Sotsu is going to explain Satoko's sudden ability to dodge sword strikes and shoot faster than Lucky Luke by saying it's due to her developing witch powers/Eua's influence, I'd probably take it, since it would at least some degree of sense, especially with how Hanyuu now has the same kind of glowing eyes that the loopers do.

I'm not even sure what's going on in Mei. I know it starts post-disaster and it has relatives of iirc Rena and that Kimiyoshi girl. I saw Tamura was in it so that gave me mixed feelings. Aside from the usual gacha crossovers and shit, I'm pretty out of the loop.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

especially with how Hanyuu now has the same kind of glowing eyes that the loopers do.

I am still extremely baffled by this choice of direction, both in the anime and manga. Yes, Hanyuu's eyes have always glowed red, but I don't see how it's related to witches at all. Hanyuu's a demon first-and-foremost, and a god second, why wouldn't her eyes glow red when she gets serious?

Did anyone's eyes glow red in Umineko btw? I haven't reached Chiru in the manga because big boi manga volumes keep me down, and I've had too much Internet issues to get through much of the sound novels on Steam, but something tells me it was completely made up for Gou because Ryukishi and the director thinks viewers are morons who need a visual cue to let us know things are getting spoopy/witchy.

 

[Diet Purple Pepsi]

I've only ever played the first VN and am an anime only fag for the most part, and I'm enjoying the Sotsu arc with Satoko manipulating her uncle and the town into fighting against each other. I don't know how I managed to really like Teppei of all characters but after he reforms his eagerness to defend Satoko is weirdly wholesome.
Also I prefer Satoko as a looper way more than Rika. Maybe it's the American in me but Satoko immediately acquiring a gun and shooting lessons that she'd retain experience from across her different loops was cool

 

[Nobunaga]

Remember, ciconia was delayed because ryukishi wanted to focus on this piece of shit

 

[lucio fulci]

I am still extremely baffled by this choice of direction, both in the anime and manga. Yes, Hanyuu's eyes have always glowed red, but I don't see how it's related to witches at all. Hanyuu's a demon first-and-foremost, and a god second, why wouldn't her eyes glow red when she gets serious?

Did anyone's eyes glow red in Umineko btw? I haven't reached Chiru in the manga because big boi manga volumes keep me down, and I've had too much Internet issues to get through much of the sound novels on Steam, but something tells me it was completely made up for Gou because Ryukishi and the director thinks viewers are morons who need a visual cue to let us know things are getting spoopy/witchy.

It’s completely made up in Gou and it just looks stupid. Nobody’s eyes glow red in Umineko, in the manga or the VN.

Hanyuu has only ever been the one with red eyes because like you said, she’s a demon and a god. Nobody else should be doing that.

It cheapens the effect it gave Hanyuu when she was serious by giving it to everyone who loops now as if to show the audience, “look how evil Satoko is now”.

It was cheap when Rika first did it in Gou and it’s worse when Satoko does it.

 

[R.E.O. Spedwagon]

I am still extremely baffled by this choice of direction, both in the anime and manga. Yes, Hanyuu's eyes have always glowed red, but I don't see how it's related to witches at all. Hanyuu's a demon first-and-foremost, and a god second, why wouldn't her eyes glow red when she gets serious?

Yeah, it's pretty weird that Ryukishi suddenly wants to tie the two concepts together. But on the other hand, it's not as if any of these ideas were ever explored in a way that made sense.
Hanyuu chose to become a god by letting her daughter kill her and taking on all the blame of the village's sins, but she also already had a bunch of divine artefacts lying around for some reason, one of which being the sword used to kill her.
And apparently Takano could've become a god too by killing herself at the end of Matsuribayashi, in which she would then supposedly take on the sins of the other members of the conspiracy, even though none of those people are actually looking for forgiveness and only want to hide evidence of their crimes.
And since Hanyuu seems to have hated humanity, her becoming a god probably also caused the disease that led to the villagers becoming mad and developing a severe persecution complex, which is referred to as becoming "demons", and her entire religion revolves around keeping this condition in check. Not sure how helpful it is to become an entity everyone can use to shove their sins onto when you also turn all of them into ticking time bombs, but I guess you have to be a god to understand that.
As for actual abilities she has as a god, I guess she can manipulate the Sea of Fragments, but we also see Frederica do the same, and she is only associated with witches, so there's immediate overlap between the two. And that's not even going into all the implications left behind by Umineko, though it's hard to say how much of Umineko's lore can be applied to Higurashi, since there's obviously aspects that can't be reconciled.
Plus, it's not even clear if Hanyuu really is a "demon" coming from a world outside of humanity, or if she was just a random girl who was given that label because she was born with a pair of horns, and just took on that role to keep the demons of humanity from spreading.

Really, everything involving Hanyuu lore is just a complete clusterfuck that doesn't seem to have had any real thought put into it. The whole thing just reeks of Ryukishi throwing in vague lore to create a sense of "mystery", but it completely fails to add anything to the actual story. All of the lore surrounding gods, demons, and witches is just so vague that it can be used to justify anything at this point.

 

[Trombonista]

This was Kira's opening:

I really want to see the full Ayakashi Senshi-hen.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

This was Kira's opening:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AK4G3M3ZgPw
I really want to see the full Ayakashi Senshi-hen.

Ayakashisenshi was stupid but really fun. Iirc that was the second OVA? First one was absolutely haram and the third was eh. Of course the fourth is Yumeutsushi and it's so good it's personal canon.

Edit:

 

[Trombonista]

Ayakashisenshi was stupid but really fun. Iirc that was the second OVA? First one was absolutely haram and the third was eh. Of course the fourth is Yumeutsushi and it's so good it's personal canon.

Good to know. Part of the reason I won't watch Gou and Sotsu is that they seem to be taking themselves far too seriously.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Yeah, it's pretty weird that Ryukishi suddenly wants to tie the two concepts together. But on the other hand, it's not as if any of these ideas were ever explored in a way that made sense.
Hanyuu chose to become a god by letting her daughter kill her and taking on all the blame of the village's sins, but she also already had a bunch of divine artefacts lying around for some reason, one of which being the sword used to kill her.
And apparently Takano could've become a god too by killing herself at the end of Matsuribayashi, in which she would then supposedly take on the sins of the other members of the conspiracy, even though none of those people are actually looking for forgiveness and only want to hide evidence of their crimes.
And since Hanyuu seems to have hated humanity, her becoming a god probably also caused the disease that led to the villagers becoming mad and developing a severe persecution complex, which is referred to as becoming "demons", and her entire religion revolves around keeping this condition in check. Not sure how helpful it is to become an entity everyone can use to shove their sins onto when you also turn all of them into ticking time bombs, but I guess you have to be a god to understand that.
As for actual abilities she has as a god, I guess she can manipulate the Sea of Fragments, but we also see Frederica do the same, and she is only associated with witches, so there's immediate overlap between the two. And that's not even going into all the implications left behind by Umineko, though it's hard to say how much of Umineko's lore can be applied to Higurashi, since there's obviously aspects that can't be reconciled.
Plus, it's not even clear if Hanyuu really is a "demon" coming from a world outside of humanity, or if she was just a random girl who was given that label because she was born with a pair of horns, and just took on that role to keep the demons of humanity from spreading.

Really, everything involving Hanyuu lore is just a complete clusterfuck that doesn't seem to have had any real thought put into it. The whole thing just reeks of Ryukishi throwing in vague lore to create a sense of "mystery", but it completely fails to add anything to the actual story. All of the lore surrounding gods, demons, and witches is just so vague that it can be used to justify anything at this point.

It says something when fan theories scattered among fanfiction.net and AO3 make more sense. There was an Umineko fic I read once (pre-Gou) where Maria summons Bernkastel for tea in the Golden Land because Lambda told her about Oyashiro-sama to troll Bern. Author came up with demons being like witches except they're bound to a specific world until some task or purpose is achieved and Hanyuu ain't visiting non-Higu fragments anytime soon even after beating Takano.

 

[R.E.O. Spedwagon]

Good to know. Part of the reason I won't watch Gou and Sotsu is that they seem to be taking themselves far too seriously.

Gou and Sotsu are comedy gold, though. If anything, the bigger issue is that the important parts of the plot are hard to take seriously because the directing makes it all look silly, and you need to put in genuine effort to figure out what the actual intent of some of these scenes is supposed to be.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

It's a slow day it work. Have that fanfic I mentioned before. Idk why I didn't include it:

https://archiveofourown.org/works/26832613

 

[Bruh Really]

Remember, ciconia was delayed because ryukishi wanted to focus on this piece of shit

That and they also delayed it until "the pandemic is over"

Which might or might not be even more autistic than delaying it for Gou/Sotsu.

 

[HexFag]

man i really shouldve dropped this show after i made that rant at the end of oniakashi

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Goddamn it, did I get spoiled about Umineko?

Hanyuu, you idiot, you're the one who forsook her. Don't act so surprised now.

Lmao this reminds me of the “hyperrealistic” eyes in creepypastas.

Fucking animators forgot to put the gun down her shorts in the first shot, and also that is so fucking retarded. Like did no one notice the gun sticking out of her clothes when she decided to suddenly play dead, or what? Did no one notice she was playing dead 'cause she never got her skull bashed in? Why the fuck did we never get to see Satoko stick Keiichi with the needle in the first place?

Yeah, I think I got spoiled about Umineko. Dammit all.

So we DON'T get to see the preparation at all? Just more Gou recaps? Fucking really? I guess the animators couldn't figure out how to animate a little girl professionally and cleanly cutting away flesh to reveal the guts. Maybe it was just "too far removed from suspension of disbelief". Nevermind that suspension of disbelief is out in outer-fucking-space at this point, probably sucked into a black hole.

Also I can't believe I didn't fucking notice this back in Gou, but the change of the light is so awful and manipulative, I can't believe this was approved of when it came to “sudden gory reveals”. I guess they do it just to hide their anatomical and animation flaws or something, but it's just so amateurish.

Convenient cut of dialogue here so we don't hear what Hanyuu says (until the end of the episode, fucking lol).

Oh, so Rika DID actually see that happen and maybe was killed with a gunshot wound to the head, but it was conveniently left out until now? Fucking bullshit.

Literally the entire episode was just recap with retarded new scenes that didn't make a difference. It was all fucking recap. Much like most of Rika's 100-year journey through the fragments, it's all been nothing but recap. Why did the director, let alone Ryukishi, think this was such a good idea to waste the audience's time with recap for like 75% of the season up to this point?