Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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Wendell X said:
I didn't bring intelligence into it, you did.
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Wendell X said:
Likewise the emotion - I have tried to be polite and straightforward,
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OH REALLY? Because I just checked and... lookie here. This is the post where you're riding my ass about "not being able to solve mysteries" (IE an out-of-the-blue insult to my intelligence)...

.....in response to a post where I was, in fact, trying to give AA the benefit of the doubt and take personal blame. Which you even fucking quote a part of.

Your next follow-up posts basically called me a liar, claimed I was making up the issue, and then when I presented a video of it, you tried to make it out like I was over-reacting to just one moment in a six-game series ("That's it? That's all it takes for you to check out?")

And then there's this bit:

So you ask what murder mysteries they like, reasoning that either they are severely off track with their criticism or they must be onto pure mystery kino and whatever they like will blow what you liked out of the water and you too will be embarrassed by umineko. And they start with encyclopaedia brown before moving on to sherlock holmes and Agatha Christie and they end by explaining they like two video game series you finished every entry of on release, series that you recommended to your nieces and nephews to learn how to solve mysteries, but they can't play them and have to watch other people play them. So they aren't onto pure mystery kino.

By your own damn admission here, what seemed like a good-faith hunt for more mystery media was actually you trying to get a read on me.

But sure, somehow I'm the one who is emotionally invested, not the guy who is doing secret tests and was doing them before we were even actually fighting.

Wendell X said:
Where? Because in our last few exchanges you said things that don't make sense if you were treating it as a deconstruction like
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You're sitting here saying I should "judge it as a deconstruction"... did you miss the part where I went into Umineko almost totally blind and that my posts about it were spur-of-the-moment "venting my frustration" reactions? To judge it "as a deconstruction," I would've had to read it knowing in advance that it was a deconstruction.

Also... I was about to respond to the rest of your post because it started to sound like you were conflating commentary/parody elements with "deconstruction," so I'm not even entirely sure you know what that term means... but I know where that's gonna go: two autists on a forum throwing their own personal definitions of what a word invented by up-their-ass literary theorists means, and I think we've both been terminally online enough to know that won't be productive.

But all I really have to say is this:

If a story is only good if you go in with foreknowledge and needling for a specific interpretation... then its a bad story. Compare Neon Genesis Evangelion or Metal Gear Solid 1, 2, and 3 where they are still great experiences even if you completely miss a lot of the commentary and subtext.... because they're still actually good stories.

Your defense of Maria's dialogue, for example, basically brings to mind this trend in indie game development from a few years back: people making bad games on purpose as a commentary or something. They stopped doing that because people very quickly realized that functionally there was little difference between an "ironically" bad game, and an actually bad game.
 
Wendell X said:
I think you should stop making stupid criticisms. I regret not saying this in the first place.
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And if I had made stupid criticisms, this would mean something!

Turning off asshole mode for a second though, thank you for keeping this short. I almost didn't bother checking this response because I was afraid of having more paragraphs to respond to.
 
Sulla said:
lright guys, so in this 2020 interview this happened.

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Yo, I'm not gonna lie, I've kinda wished they would remake Umineko, as a telenova.
Here me out!
Umineko is so bombastic and over the top with it's dramatics and melodrama, I honestly think it'd be perfect as a telenova.
Even the batshit crazy, trash fire ending would work in the confines of a telanova.

Horribadger said:
umiunko fucking sucks lmao
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Hey, at least it has good music and it's anime has one of the best op's ever, in my opinion anyway...
 
Regardless of whether it is good or not, a new umineko adaptation is worth it for Erika alone.
 
Sulla said:
How many walls of text have you written again?
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>Does not know what a "Wall of Text" is.

(FYI: a "Wall of text" is a post that has no formatting whatsoever. I know reddit-brained tards have been trying to twist it to mean "any post too long for my ADD-rattled attention span" for years now but all you do is make yourself look like a tard... which you've been doing enough of).

>Constantly bleated about his intelligence.
>Hammered incessantly on "Skykiii not likey thing means he hates thinking!"
>Got backed into a corner by the guy who supposedly hates thinking.

Sulla said:
Your entire ordeal can by summarized as:
>Read version that had an actual editor and thus is by default better.
>Don't even bother to finish version that had an actual editor and is by default better.
>Complain about version that had an actual editor and is by default better.
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FTFY.

I've become convinced the primary appeal of Ryukishi's work is the same as the appeal of Rick and Morty: it allows midwits to think they became a genius just by consooming something that very occasionally uses smart-sounding words.

(How long is this colored text rule gonna last? This post makes me feel like I'm writing a Christmas card)
 
skykiii said:
And if I had made stupid criticisms, this would mean something!

Turning off asshole mode for a second though, thank you for keeping this short. I almost didn't bother checking this response because I was afraid of having more paragraphs to respond to.
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Yes now you are detached. You had a total meltdown when I pointed out just two of the stupid criticisms you made, and decided based entirely on your own insecurities that I was a devious intelligence attacking bastard fighting you (!) when I only ever mentioned your discipline and patience, but now you are detached and concerned about paragraphs.

skykiii said:
>Constantly bleated about his intelligence.
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Jesus christ the fremdschamen is off the charts. Nobody cares about your intelligence but you. Sulla said you ain't that smart when you stupidly suggested you were going to psychoanalyse ryukishi through a visual novel. That's not an attack on your intelligence, it's a slap on the hand for trying to touch the stove.

And now for another Wall Of Text response.
 
Okay I just finished the game Loopers which Ryukishi07 apparently wrote the script.

It is a piece of fucking dogshit.

I played a good chunk of VNs and Loopers was one of the most "it exists" game imaginable. The best things I can say about it is that the people at Key tardwrangled 07 enough so he wouldn't put his usual torture of underage children, but the problem is that without it there's absolutely nothing to the game. There's no edge, the characters are flat and undeveloped. Nothing.

The idea could have been cool, basically a group of people stumbles into a timeloop over the same day. The game already fucks it up at the start by telling the audience the loop ends by itself, so no pressure. If you die in the loop nothing happens unless it's an arbitrary amount of time and then you are in a coma until it ends (with some characters already in that state, but the game never actually invests in telling us about them because fuck that interesting idea, we need to focus on the main character). Also you can just be depressed enough to enter a coma. The whole loop is explained in being based on some physical event (except not in the end because then it's magic) with collegekids in the USA experiencing it beforehand and thus justifying the main characters knowing all the rules. I've never heard of that event and wonder if it was made up since I think I would have heard Wendigoon talking about it.

The game not only does nothing with those rules, it actually breaks the rules so it will make emotional moments, but it also never invests in characters enough to make those moments work. The game is short as fuck as it is, itcould have easily had several scenes to make the non main characters interesting with more depth. But no, the game spends way too much time the main character who is the most gary stu person imaginable (in a genre that's already filled with extreme examples of those). He loves treasure hunting and makes everybody love it instantly, and that's literally everything to him. He is also always correct, everyone loves him and manages to fix everything by being the protagonist. Words can't describe how annoying he is and how it actively brings down everything else.

Another small issue I have with the game is the side characters being depressed by the loop by the 5 years mark. Might be me, but I think it would take at least a few decades to really be done with it. Just the amount of available media and life skills you can train yourself probably would take a decade.

Visual Novels like Raging Loop actually did do a good job of showing characters going ballistic with endless time iterations, but Loopers seems to be too afraid of ever making anything edgy. It reminds me the quote of some anime director about the creator of Your Name of writing love stories where no one wants to fuck. Like why would I care for the romance when there's no passion of it beyond the characters meeting one time a decade ago? Or maybe have characters learn more about themselves and actively become better over the loop?

It's just a waste of good art. The only thing good in it is that it's short.
 
skykiii said:
I mean seriously, you're doing the Reddit thing of "you don't like my precious author, you just aren't SMART ENOUGH!"
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This is hilarious considering that earlier in this thread, you stated this:
skykiii said:
Maybe I'm being pretentious, but I've noticed a thing on the internet I call "the law of inverse quality."

The more objectively shitty something is, the more people will hold it in high regard. By contrast, things that are objectively good will get scorn and derision.
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So it's okay for you to go "Everybody who likes this thing I don't like is dumber than me," but if someone else says, "You don't like this because you don't understand it," they're being an asshole?
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Like why would I care for the romance when there's no passion of it beyond the characters meeting one time a decade ago? Or maybe have characters learn more about themselves and actively become better over the loop?
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So you're saying it's a game without love? Damn, can't believe it. I mean I can but you get me.
 
Trombonista said:
This is hilarious considering that earlier in this thread, you stated this:

So it's okay for you to go "Everybody who likes this thing I don't like is dumber than me," but if someone else says, "You don't like this because you don't understand it," they're being an asshole?
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Dude, its a little too late for this, don't you think? Its over. They lost. And judging by that they upvoted the post declaring their loss, they understand and accept it. The rest of the thread wants to just move on.
 
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