It is
really kinda sad over how many people have their sense of self-worth bound up in whether or not someone likes Japanese slop.
I think you're retarded because you say reddit tier takes like that you are doing a psyche analysis on ryukishi based on the first couple of arcs
Yeah, that's almost as retarded as questioning someone's intelligence over them not liking a certain overrated VN author. Almost.
Also dude.... psychoanalyzing people over scant information is sorta what we
do here on KF.
+ you liked dgr which was actually bad.
I had actually never heard of
that Youtube channel until you mentioned it...
Case and point skykii already deciding he doesn't like it based off of what other people have said
Errrr, what? I got through thousands of pages worth, was already hating it, and only then did I start asking other people and got confirmation that it doesn't get any better.
For someone who likes to criticize others for "not liking to think," you're not doing a lot of it yourself.
That's it, that's all it takes for you to check out?
Ahhh the whole "you only presented one example thing, so clearly this is the ONLY TIME in the WHOLE SERIES that this kind of thing happens!" argument.
When I checked out, I actually had run into this problem
multiple times in a single case.
Notice how nobody is picking on @Horribadger even though their criticism is even more caustic than yours at times? That's because their criticisms have a solid base beneath them. Yours do not.
Here's a funny thing--when I talked about this earlier, I was actually trying to
give AA the benefit of the doubt by taking personal blame ("I coulda been sick that day", "I might have a personal autism," etc)... but you apparently didn't see that and got all butthurt that someone dared say they GASP! prefer
watching AA over
playing it! What an unfair, evil take!... still enjoying the thing, just not as a game, per se.
some of it seems like pure personal preference (I don't like shonen manga stuff and it parodies shonen manga stuff),
Ah, so its wrong to have personal preferences now?
So you ask what murder mysteries they like, reasoning that either they are severely off track with their criticism or they must be onto pure mystery kino and whatever they like will blow what you liked out of the water and you too will be embarrassed by umineko. And they start with encyclopaedia brown before moving on to sherlock holmes and Agatha Christie and they end by explaining they like two video game series you finished every entry of on release,
I'll give you this much... you're creative, unlike Sulla.
In that post someone had just asked for murder mystery recommendations. The question seemed unrelated to the Umineko discussion--it sure as
fuck was not worded in a "okay, smart ass, what would you call better than Umineko if you're so smart?" way.
And I only mentioned Encyclopedia Brown as something that got me interested at a young age, so nice try attempting to make it sound like I seriously put it on the same level as Sherlock Holmes and Agatha Christie.
But I've noticed this is your tack: you like to conflate things that, at best, have a threadbare relation, and then use this as the basis for a retarded conclusion that I'm sure makes sense on whatever planet your from, but
this is Earth.
Just take your repeated insistence that "preferring watching LPs of AA means you don't like/have no capacity for solving mysteries!" That's just such a baffling line of reasoning that I wonder how many pints it took to conjure it up.
Isn't the truth just that you're huffing the cope-ium? The whole reason every other mystery in the world provides a solution is the same reason dartboards provide clear indication of scoring zones: because its an objective barometer of how close to the mark you were. That's how it works: you come up with your own theory, and then reach the final chapter and see how close to the mark you were.
You keep harping that Umineko is a really smart person mystery because its deconstructive and doesn't give you all the answers (which I'm not even sure you're right about--Sulla seems to contradict you on this), but even if you're right, the only appeal I could see in such a thing is that you never at any point get told that you're objectively wrong.... unless your theory is something batshit insane like "Maria is the killer."
(Also, just throwing this in there....
I never at any point complained about the mystery aspects of Umineko. Most of my bitching is about how Battler is an idiot and the parts where it wastes my time with bullshit. I've in fact repeatedly said the mystery parts are the only thing I'm
interested in. So, can you please get a different strawman already?)
Satoko's character development here in standing up to her abuser knowing she has support backing her up isn't going to cause someone who experienced it to kill themselves simply for being unrealistic.
>Snip lots of stuff about "realism" (which isn't even what I was on about) and "stories need conflict" and other just straight up missing the point takes.
I get the feeling you're just too in love with how hopeful and feel-good that part of the story was that no matter how I explain it, you're never gonna get (or pretend you don't get) why someone would possibly have a problem with that arc.
Once again, Ryukishi stated that he thought he was writing a story full of hope. But I know if I were an abused kid, I would see nothing but terrifying implications: "So I'm stuck with my abuser unless two entire towns full of people come to my aid? So there really is no hope at all, is there?"
.... And frankly that's not even my biggest problem.
If I had to narrow it down, this arc bothers me for three reasons.
First is that for as much as Satoko is brought up, she's really kind of just an object being acted upon, and the whole story ends up being more a turning point for
Rika. Satoko herself doesn't even get to benefit from these events: she ends up dying later and Rika has to start a new loop anyway. And that's just kinda shitty.
Second, Teppei himself feels like another of those "author fiat" things I keep bringing up, due to the fact that he's not a constant. This kinda ties in with my previous issue, but it also means he just gets dragged in whenever Ryukishi wants the story to be extra dramatic. It just feels kinda lame to me.
Third and finally, Keiichi's solution. What I've been trying to get at is it feels like I'm watching a guy beat his head against a brick wall. An
intelligent person who realizes CPS is bogged down with bureaucracy and would only act in specific niche circumstances would probably think "then find a solution that doesn't involve CPS."
To be fair to Keiichi, he's far from the only anime protagonist who will go with an emotion-driven solution when the viewer is sitting there thinking of a dozen
practical ones.... this is one reason I don't watch a lot of anime these days. I don't like idiot heroes.
But it goes back to Teppei: I feel like he isn't even that big an obstacle. He's some drunk coward who came in out of the blue one day. He's not a politician or someone with connections... in fact the whole reason he moves into town is because (if I remember correctly) he's hiding from police who want him for questioning, and possibly from that one Yakuza group that Shion and Mion have connections to as well.
Heck, we've already seen a previous arc where Keiichi deals with Teppei by introducing him to the hot new game of Bat-to-the-Face. Which yeah, I get that's not a valid solution because
Ryukishi won't allow it to be it would set off Hinamizawa Syndrome (although there's still the plot hole I mentioned in my previous post), but I'm just saying... a guy who can be taken out like a punk, is not someone who requires a personal army to take on.
Heck if I remember right, this arc proves my point for me: the moment Satoko finally confesses, cops bust in and arrest Teppei. Which means he was probably about to be arrested anyway if they were already en route.
While I think a story about a town coming together to help a single girl could work, it just
doesn't, the way Ryukishi went about it. That's kinda typical of what I've seen of his work: he has bits and pieces of good ideas, but he utilizes them in ways that are just terrible.
It doesn't help that this and the next arc also end up breaking a lot of the internal logic of the story, but I believe that's ground I've already trodden.
