Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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Issou1825 said:
Kinzo (Nazi sympathiser) wants to fuck a tranny,
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So like a modern Nazi?

More seriously, Japs loved having trannies in their work way before it got popularized in the west (and contributed a lot for popularizing it). And having the argument of presenting the child as a boy so she wouldn't be raped is ridiculous when the patriarch already went the moral decay of impregnating his own daughter, fucking a boy is not out of the question.

But the best argument is that I can't think of any culture where women without ability to give birth are referred to as men, while you have a lot of savage cultures where cutting a boy's balls off makes him a proto-woman.
 
Horribadger said:
It's pretty fucking obvious Yasu's story (or at least the version we ended up with) was inspired by the David Reimer story. Child gets mutilated as an infant, losing its nads, and it's decided to raise it as a girl. And don't give me "uhh but Reimer knew he was a boy from chuldhud so muh waifu can't be male!!', there's oodles of characters in media who were raised as the wrong sex and believed it for much longer.
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I already talked with someone about Reimer, pretty sure it’s just a coincidence. People making parallels with Reimer are only found in the English speaking umineko community. Japanese fans never mention Reimer (Or trans people or Sayo born as a male). They just don’t know/care, it’s western culture. So I don’t think R07 even knows about Reimer. I also find it a bit reductionist if you look at the big picture and all of Umineko’s other themes (Especially family and patriarchy) doesn’t really connect.

You can recheck the scene where Sayo looks at the anatomy atlas, her concerns are about periods/breast growth, not about having a tranny axe wound.

Also the exact quote from Genji : "You miraculously survived despite a large laceration to your lower abdomen. However it caused severe internal damage".
Last time I checked, my cock and balls weren’t internal, nor in my lower abdomen.

wtfNeedSignUp said:
So like a modern Nazi?

More seriously, Japs loved having trannies in their work way before it got popularized in the west (and contributed a lot for popularizing it). And having the argument of presenting the child as a boy so she wouldn't be raped is ridiculous when the patriarch already went the moral decay of impregnating his own daughter, fucking a boy is not out of the question.

But the best argument is that I can't think of any culture where women without ability to give birth are referred to as men, while you have a lot of savage cultures where cutting a boy's balls off makes him a proto-woman.
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It still is at best unnecessary and at worst a threat to Sayo, while giving R07 nothing of value to the themes of the story.

Also, I don’t think Sayo was referred to as a man, are you referencing the "A body unable to love" quote?
It makes a lot more sense if you see it like this

"A body unable to love" -> Cannot give birth, unable to give motherly love, seen as useless.

Unloveable -> Incapable of intercourse.

In my opinion, it’s the only way to keep the themes of umineko consistent, remember when they spent hours with the dining room chair placement, Natsuhi’s struggles when she was believed to be infertile and the impact on her relationship with Krauss, Kinzo and her siblings… Lots of pieces end up useless if you "side with the trannies".
 
Issou1825 said:
some would debate for a while but end up seething/blocking after reading the article.
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*looks at opening image and paragraph*
Gee, I wonder why.

Anyway, this is not a tranny-bitching thread. There are several other threads on this site you can follow to rage about the transes to your angry heart's content.
 
Trombonista said:
*looks at opening image and paragraph*
Gee, I wonder why.

Anyway, this is not a tranny-bitching thread. There are several other threads on this site you can follow to rage about the transes to your angry heart's content.
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Thought KF would’ve had a higher level of reading comprehension than Reddit… I’ll stop arguing about the literal game and just say that your opinion is heckin valid and wholesome 100!
 
Back on topic, yesterday was Hanyuu's birthday.
 
Horribadger said:
I'm half convinced that Alice being the "witch of gutting" was just Ryukishi seething about his audience wanting actually good works with a point rather than random endless waffling.
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It actually worked for the most part. Even had brief slightly animated cutscenes too. Was the only 07th work I actually cared read from start to finish and helped that it wasn't written entirely by him but also had some guest writers and different artstyles for each "world" she visited.

Much like star wars, the spinoffs of 07th works commercially made by fans are generally better than the actual main storyline. Like the Umineko fighting game and Higurashi Mei, which should outright replace gou/sotsu or be its own continuity.
 
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The story modes in Golden Fantasia are actually pretty fun and I wish we had a mobile game for Umineko similar to Higurashi Mei to make similar one-shot plots. But for that to happen I figure that there needs to be enough interest for Mei that they actually bother with translating it to English for the rest of us. It has its own storyline and I wish I didn't have to rely on summaries to try and piece together what all is going on and actually read the dialogue. There's a few fan translations on Youtube but not consistently following the story.
 
They have had some umineko collabs for Higurashi Mei and have reran it at least twice. The main story seems to have been completed years ago. Was neat that they did visit alternate timelines but there wasn't really an established antagonist or villain. Most of the combat could just be chalked up to the main heroine being schizophrenic and her friends humoring her delusions.


Ryukishi is on part 5 of his "lets read" of LOOPERS apparently. With strangely no commentary in any of the videos.

 
Holy shit, okay.

I haven't been thinking of Shitsugou in a while now, which I think helps in letting me forget just how Gou ended to start into Sotsu. Except... I forgot how the manga ended. All I know is it felt not too different from the anime, and I just hated it.
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Having not remembered Gou's manga adaptation, starting Meguri with Satokowashi-hen made me realize that the fucking entirety of Gou was just fucking retarded in attempt to recreate Higurashi's formula. It should've just completely started from where the story left off, as in right after Festival-Accompanying, maybe Dice-Killing, where we see Hanyuu have a heart-to-heart with Rika and tell her she's now free to find herself and quietly leave the scene, and then give us the opportunity to follow the story in a whole 'nother light, as in seeing how Satoko would handle looping. And something tells me Ryukishi07 didn't exactly come up with this idea entirely by himself, Tomato may have had a hand in polishing up the rough edges in showing Satoko in a legitimately sympathetic light in showing us her plights in struggling with school, and then attempting to change her fate by having to struggle with Rika dying off-screen or sometimes even Satoshi dying.

I can't believe I'm saying this after the pain and anguish that was Shitsugou, but this change works. We actually did need to see Satoko's mind break over time, and in ways that made actual sense. This was not-Featherine's way of just toying with her new plaything, but it allowed Satoko to get a taste of Rika's pain, and show just how very strong-willed Rika really was in her 100-year loop. Rika's learned apathetic nature was pretty much her way of protecting her mind since Satoko could only really handle a handful before her brain broke. Which is why it's a little weird that she's decided to become sadistic and come up with the game's rules herself, but you at least couldn't say that Satoko didn't try, and that her entire motive wasn't because she just hated studying. She actually does love her friends, she just hated how defeated she became all because she decided, "Sure, I'll go with you, Rika" after seeing her work so hard and being proud of her.

Now granted, from what I remember it does look like things still fall apart the longer it goes on because Gou's existence truly fucks things up especially on Rika's end. However, this beginning here, if we just completely forgo how Gou opens up, shows a whole lot of promise that I think the outrage wouldn't have been all that terrible.

Ryukishi's fuck-up wouldn't have happened had he just been more attentive to detail and been involved during production instead of just handing Passione a barebones script and going "You're on your own." Goddamn it, this hurts.

EDIT: I opened my big mouth too soon. Literally in the next chapter, this is how Satoko steals the syringe of Hinamizawa Syndrome to stick Rena:
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Absolutely retarded.
 
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Whether you read the manga or watch the anime both endings leave you extremely unsatisfied in one way or another. The manga feels like a neutral-bad ending while the anime is the good ending because they just erased everything and it's like none of that happened except for the Loopers who know. Both are shit in their own way and I wish they didn't exist

Reiwa is just boring although I enjoy the art.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Absolutely retarded.
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LMAO remember how in the original VN a thing that actually got brought up a few times by characters was that the kids couldn't overpower the adult characters when being pushed around physically meaning they were kind of helpless? Yeah no now they're just the flash lmao no stakes other than mudrer haha
 
Gou and Sotsu were very bad I thought and I was excited for them at first I felt it was very disrespectful to the original source.

The manga version however seemed to be a lot more thoughtful and the ending was a lot more appropriate for a Satoko centered looper story. I would recommend that to anyone who got burned by Gou/Sotsu or just wants more Higurashi to read.
 
Ah ha' said:
The manga version however seemed to be a lot more thoughtful
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Only because Tomato made sure everyone actually had a role to play in making sure Satoko was stopped without causing any more tragedies. Still feels underwhelming, yet it's for that reason alone that I'm willing to accept it as actual canon instead of the anime. I still don't like it at the end of the day simply because Satoko's sadism and warped conclusion for why she went on her killing sprees still doesn't make sense. The manga also claims she did this for a hundred years as well when that doesn't feel right. 127 fragments of this particular loop doesn't equate to a hundred years to me, and I doubt it took Satoko an actual hundred fucking years to solve the pin to steal the H173 sample.

Also no confirmation Teppei still went through a redemption arc in that world. Another plus.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Only because Tomato made sure everyone actually had a role to play in making sure Satoko was stopped without causing any more tragedies. Still feels underwhelming, yet it's for that reason alone that I'm willing to accept it as actual canon instead of the anime. I still don't like it at the end of the day simply because Satoko's sadism and warped conclusion for why she went on her killing sprees still doesn't make sense. The manga also claims she did this for a hundred years as well when that doesn't feel right. 127 fragments of this particular loop doesn't equate to a hundred years to me, and I doubt it took Satoko an actual hundred fucking years to solve the pin to steal the H173 sample.

Also no confirmation Teppei still went through a redemption arc in that world. Another plus.
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The Manga made it clear that Satoko breaks down from enduring the loop much like Rika did, except instead of becoming emo and depressed she becomes obsessive and manic.

The ending I felt was satisfying enough and did conclude the last loose end to the series as a whole, unless you wanna count that one arc from the ps3 version as the definitive happy end. (Was it on the ps3 now I forget?)

Either way I would agree that it is unnecessary, and Im not really into Ryukishi trying to tether all of his stories together with this vague mysticism of witches or whatever. I dont care for the “expanded universe” of when they cry, Ill never look at Ciconia and I doubt I’ll be interested in much else he has to offer. In my opinion Higurashi was a fluke of a success in a very young internet, with Umineko building on that success and seemingly being better planned (at first).

The best thing that could happen is if they made a diligently planned series of Umineko movies, released them once a year to tease peoples interests and make sure Ryukishi is not on the writing staff because he’ll fuck it up. All he should do is coast on his laurels and rake it in and let better writers fill in the gaps.
 
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