Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

[Zaryiu2]

So I decided to download the manga for Hirugashi, any arc in that is the cutoff point? Is getting the Umineko one worth it despite Ruukishi going with the tumblr theory and the wet fart resolution the box (I read some posts in here but I don't know what either of those mean in context)

 

[Valstrax]

the tumblr theory

Context?

 

[Zaryiu2]

Context?

I don't know, that's what was said early in this thread, i don't what Ryuukishi but my guess based on tumblr being involved is something gay

 

[Atatata]

So I decided to download the manga for Hirugashi, any arc in that is the cutoff point? Is getting the Umineko one worth it despite Ruukishi going with the tumblr theory and the wet fart resolution the box (I read some posts in here but I don't know what either of those mean in context)

Umineko is a lot fun though imo the ending is a bit of a flop, the gender stuff isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

So I decided to download the manga for Hirugashi, any arc in that is the cutoff point?

Not sure what you mean by this because all of the arcs have their pros (some have more cons than others), and Demon-Exposing is an interesting side-story about Natsumi Kimoyoshi. Atonement is probably the best climax of the series even though it continues for another couple arcs, and it has great art, although my personal favorite arc in terms of the art is Curse-Killing. Enjoy yourself with the manga and soak in all that eye-candy.

Anyhoo, Sotsu's score is slowly dropping, still. I think it'll stabilize soon and not hit Kira levels, though, but the score gap between Gou and Sotsu is still noticeable as hell and will cause folks to wonder how the hell a sequel has a low score with less people having watched it in comparison.

 

[Zaryiu2]

Not sure what you mean by this because all of the arcs have their pros (some have more cons than others), and Demon-Exposing is an interesting side-story about Natsumi Kimoyoshi. Atonement is probably the best climax of the series even though it continues for another couple arcs, and it has great art, although my personal favorite arc in terms of the art is Curse-Killing. Enjoy yourself with the manga and soak in all that eye-candy.

Anyhoo, Sotsu's score is slowly dropping, still. I think it'll stabilize soon and not hit Kira levels, though, but the score gap between Gou and Sotsu is still noticeable as hell and will cause folks to wonder how the hell a sequel has a low score with less people having watched it in comparison.
View attachment 2650630

I meant is there a point like in certain franchises out there where people say "this is where this should have ended" because the quality drops badly? Sorry if this badly worded but I am very tired right now

 

[lucio fulci]

I meant is there a point like in certain franchises out there where people say "this is where this should have ended" because the quality drops badly? Sorry if this badly worded but I am very tired right now

The main 8 arcs of the series, Onikakushi, Watanagashi, Tatarigoroshi, Himatsubushi, Meakashi, Tsumihoroboshi, Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi comprise the entire series and are necessary to read (in this exact order).

Saikoroshi can be read after you finish the first 8 arcs, and Onisarashi can be read if you want to, but isn’t completely necessary.

There is also Yoigoshi which can be read after you finish the main series like Saikoroshi.

There is also Kokoroiyashi but I haven’t read that one myself yet. It also isn’t completely necessary.

All of those are optional, just the main 8 arcs are required to get the full story. Reading them out of order can cause a lot of confusion.

Also, yes! Umineko is worth reading. You don’t need to necessarily have completed Higurashi to enjoy Umineko. It makes slight references to it, but nothing completely spoiler worthy.

 

[Zaryiu2]

The main 8 arcs of the series, Onikakushi, Watanagashi, Tatarigoroshi, Himatsubushi, Meakashi, Tsumihoroboshi, Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi comprise the entire series and are necessary to read (in this exact order).

Saikoroshi can be read after you finish the first 8 arcs, and Onisarashi can be read if you want to, but isn’t completely necessary.

There is also Yoigoshi which can be read after you finish the main series like Saikoroshi.

There is also Kokoroiyashi but I haven’t read that one myself yet. It also isn’t completely necessary.

All of those are optional, just the main 8 arcs are required to get the full story. Reading them out of order can cause a lot of confusion.

Also, yes! Umineko is worth reading. You don’t need to necessarily have completed Higurashi to enjoy Umineko. It makes slight references to it, but nothing completely spoiler worthy.

Thanks, also Ryukishi is a fucking hack and needs to fuck off (Man this guy is the male J. K. Rowling), how the fuck do people say Kojima is worse that a guy who wrote sadistic lesbian relationship between preteens? Kojima has issues but that's I don't remember him writing something as disgusting as that (I read that was a plot twist in Gou, wtf)
Edit: So someone I know who is watching gou is talking to me about the show and the following along with sadistic lesbian relationship between preteens previously mentioned came up: "So the show show is whitewashed the abusers of a little girl into a victim and the kid into a crazy violent murderer"
I.. WHAT IN THE HOLIEST OF FUCK RYUKISHI!

Spoiler: If you haven't finished Minagoroshi

It gets even worse if you read the VN and you find out that Teppei was thinking about sexually abusing her in a couple of years after she passed puberty.

Spoiler: I clipped this from Youtube

teppei.mp4

There's also a notorious TIP from Tatarigoroshi which implied that she had *already* been sexually abused, either by him or one of his friends.

Spoiler

View attachment 2438747

It's also stated - both in the VN and the anime - that Teppei would make her walk on all fours while his friends were over, while they all laughed. The fact that R07 thought that he could just be redeemed in one episode because he had a couple of realistic bad dreams where he got his comeuppance and then went straight to cuddling and trying to cook for her is beyond all taste.

View attachment 2651068

 

[Bloitzhole]

So I'm a big fan of OG Higurashi, having read all the VN and watched all of the shows and OVAs besides the weird fanservice ones, don't need that, fuck that. Watched some of Umineko but couldn't stand a lot of the characters, particularly the protagonist and his weird ass relationship to the witch (which is fine, just not my thing - don't feel someone who brutally murdered your folks can ever receive your sympathy, just not believable to me, even in this weird ass setting).

I was looking forward to Gou and whatever else comes out, haven't seen any of it, once it has all aired, but now after reading snippets, and reactions, I'm kinda torn. I don't give a shit about tumblerism and identity messages either way - as in I don't give a fuck about trannies, but I also don't give a fuck about hating on trannies.
Do I want to see this if I just enjoy murder mystery anime and don't care about anything but the interesting premise (and Shion's arc, she's great)?

 

[HexFag]

Watched some of Umineko

See, that's your problem. I wish people memoryholed the Umineko anime and SotsuGou as hard as the Type-Moon community memoryholes the Tsukihime anime. They're horrible points of introduction for newfags who wish to get into the series or the entries proper and can actively ruin how people percieve the series.

 

[Bloitzhole]

See, that's your problem. I wish people memoryholed the Umineko anime and SotsuGou as hard as the Type-Moon community memoryholes the Tsukihime anime. They're horrible points of introduction for newfags who wish to get into the series or the entries proper and can actively ruin how people percieve the series.

I also read the first 2 or 3 parts with the fan translation patch, but again, I couldn't get over the battler-beatrice dynamic. So I take it Gou and Sotsu are genuinely unenjoyable?

 

[HexFag]

So I take it Gou and Sotsu are genuinely unenjoyable?

Yeah, but don't take it from me, here's a compiled list of everyone in here (mainly Kari Kamiya) bitching about every episode of Gou. Gou was meh and boring as shit because it wasn't sure if it was a sequel or a remake for newfags and Sotsu is just Gou but with a DBZ fight at the end. Sotsu is a complete waste of your time.

I can't do replies to the posts so here are the links if you are interested.
First Part
Second Part

 

[Idiot Asshole]

So I'm a big fan of OG Higurashi, having read all the VN and watched all of the shows and OVAs besides the weird fanservice ones, don't need that, fuck that. Watched some of Umineko but couldn't stand a lot of the characters, particularly the protagonist and his weird ass relationship to the witch (which is fine, just not my thing - don't feel someone who brutally murdered your folks can ever receive your sympathy, just not believable to me, even in this weird ass setting).

I was looking forward to Gou and whatever else comes out, haven't seen any of it, once it has all aired, but now after reading snippets, and reactions, I'm kinda torn. I don't give a shit about tumblerism and identity messages either way - as in I don't give a fuck about trannies, but I also don't give a fuck about hating on trannies.
Do I want to see this if I just enjoy murder mystery anime and don't care about anything but the interesting premise (and Shion's arc, she's great)?

Don't bother with Sotsugyou. There is literally nothing redeeming about it; 80% of the runtime is just rehashing the first three original arcs and then rehashing those rehashes. I have never watched an anime that blatantly recycles animation as much as this one. Just to break all the new arcs down:
Onidamashi is Onikakushi but with a twist; 4 episodes (same length as DEEN's Onikakushi)
Watadamashi is Watanagashi but with a twist; 4 episodes (same length as DEEN's Watanagashi)
Tataridamashi is Tatarigoroshi but with a twist; 5 episodes (same length as DEEN's Tatarigoroshi)
Nekodamashi is the first new content, *fourteen* episodes in; 4 episodes
Satokowashi is also new content, but is also the funniest bad anime since Mirai Nikki; 7 episodes

Oniaakashi is Onidamashi but with grinning evil Satokos interspersed within, 3 episodes
Wataakashi is Watadamashi but with grinning evil Satokos interspersed within, 3 episodes
Tatariakashi is Tataridamashi but with grinning evil Satokos interspersed within, 5 episodes
Kagurashi is Nekodamashi but with grinning evil Satokos interspersed within for the first two episodes and then becomes really bad battle shounen for the last two episodes

Adding it all up, that's an incredible 26 out of 39 episodes that are rehashes. And yet despite all the repetition the animation is subpar all the way through, even by crappy seasonal anime levels. And while obstensibly being a murder mystery/thriller/horror/supernatural story at no point does the show even try to foster any sort of atmosphere, instead using bright, shiny colors and lighting and the most droll "camera" work imaginable. Satoko is turned into a generic yandere villain that makes Yuno Gasai look like a LOGH character and Rika is made into a passive, useless "progatonist" that Shinji Ikari would want to slap the shit out of. The rest of the cast are nobodies to the point that Satoko's abusive uncle has more impact, screen time and character development than any of them. The show tries to be both an "introduction" to Higurashi and a sequel and fails miserably. It also tries to unnecessarily bridge Higurashi and Umineko, and ends up chickening out and leaving the connections half-assed, pleasing noboby.

In conclusion, rewatch DEEN instead

 

[Return of the Freaker]

I also read the first 2 or 3 parts with the fan translation patch, but again, I couldn't get over the battler-beatrice dynamic. So I take it Gou and Sotsu are genuinely unenjoyable?

Sotsu especially is a waste. They gave away all the answers in the final arc of Gou and any hype or suspense remaining was slaughtered by Chinks pulling Exogol 2: Cicada Boogaloo. At first people thought it was too stupid to be real but never underestimate stupid.

The manga might be better. The Gou manga did some little interesting divergences from the anime and they're using a different name for the answer arcs (don't recall but I know they're not calling it Sotsu). We'll see if the manga salvages things.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

There is also Yoigoshi which can be read after you finish the main series like Saikoroshi.

Mmm, interestingly enough, that counts as a question arc (the manga release places it after Time-Wasting) despite being more like a ghost story. It was an interesting arc, for what it is. Probably unnecessary in the long run, but I didn't think it took away from anything about the main plot or even spoiled things for later on.

80% of the runtime is just rehashing the first three original arcs and then rehashing those rehashes.

Oh that reminds me, did a brave autist ever calculate the number of minutes of new content there was in Sotsu?

 

[Bloitzhole]

I appreciate you all giving me such detailed input, I really do - I reckon I'll just give the manga a read, I never actually got to that (only read the VN a long time ago) and hope that the new "when they cry" VN is gonna be good (whenever that will be done in half a decade).

 

[Trombonista]

By the way, oyashirosama.com is still up.

 

[Zaryiu2]

So do have an idea how much of the original Hirugashi was by BT and how much was by Ryukishi? Was Ryukishi as willing to retcon his own stuff the? How much of a creep was he then?
I finished the thread (doing my best to avoid spoilers) and now I am not as sure of wanting to read it because of Ryukishi is involved with it (that's how low of an opinion I have of him after reading what he did in Gousutsu

 

[Kari Kamiya]

@Zaryiu2 Higurashi is a great series. You just have to keep in mind 07th Expansion is a small doujin team that Ryukishi and BT was in alongside a couple other guys, if I remember right. BT may have helped fill in the gaps and cleaned up some parts, but it was still Ryukishi's idea. He created the story for BT to get invested in as a mystery geek.

Still check out the original series while ignoring the news content. It's well worth it.

 

[HexFag]

So do have an idea how much of the original Hirugashi was by BT and how much was by Ryukishi? Was Ryukishi as willing to retcon his own stuff the? How much of a creep was he then?
I finished the thread (doing my best to avoid spoilers) and now I am not as sure of wanting to read it because of Ryukishi is involved with it (that's how low of an opinion I have of him after reading what he did in Gousutsu

Higurashi and Umineko are great, Ryukishi just needs a tard wrangler or else he makes SotsuGou.