Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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You know it's bad when people cheer on Rika and Satoko "making up" at the end despite Satoko being a bitch who would rather memorize a card game to perfection over studying.

I guess the orgasm for a Umineko/Ciconia connection is stronger than having common sense.
 
There was an interview with Ryukishi yesterday to "explain" what went on. There's a Twitter thread detailing this, but have a taste of what to expect because holy shit:
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"When Mion was using the vending machine, Satoko pretended to trip violently onto her, and injected her"

Just.... just no.
I swear to god, you know what that sentence reminded me of? This shitty comic.

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No seriously, for some fucking reason, this was the first thing it reminded me of.
Same levels of retardation, just change the characters around.

Except one of them can be humorous for people over 60 and the other is Higurashi SOTSU.
 
There was an interview with Ryukishi yesterday to "explain" what went on. There's a Twitter thread detailing this, but have a taste of what to expect because holy shit:
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Yeah no, Ryukishi clearly doesn't know what an injection is.

Also, in what way is a series whose messsge is about gaslighting your friend "empathetic"? Wouldn't it be easier if they just admitted they were high when they wrote the script?
 
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you Akio Watanabe's Beatrice. The artstyle REALLY doesn't work for Umineko jesus christ man.
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Also I find it funny that Higurashi Mei did a collab with Symphogear, Hello Kitty, Steins;Gate, and Clannad before ever thinking of doing a collab with something from the same fucking series.
 
A thought just occurred to me. Satoko knows what it's like to have Hinamizawa Syndrome, so would she really be okay injecting her friends with it?
 
A thought just occurred to me. Satoko knows what it's like to have Hinamizawa Syndrome, so would she really be okay injecting her friends with it?

We talking about the same Satoko who shot her best friends straight in the face then offed herself like any other Tuesday, the same Satoko who's to autistic to realize that maybe pursing her best friend in a carrier \ lifestyle that she clearly has no interest or motivation in probably isn't the best life choice, yet spending hundreds of years torturing your best friend and learning how to use a gun sounds more reasonable than simply studying. (Or you know, using the loops to cheat your exams and be done with it, might as fucking well)

Yeah.. I'd say injecting her friends with Hinamizawa Syndrome and seeing them self-destruct while she gets to sit back and does jack shit sounds just like her.
 
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A thought just occurred to me. Satoko knows what it's like to have Hinamizawa Syndrome, so would she really be okay injecting her friends with it?
She's just going through a rebellious phase, please understand.
 
A thought just occurred to me. Satoko knows what it's like to have Hinamizawa Syndrome, so would she really be okay injecting her friends with it?
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Once you're at the point where you can dismiss non-optimal worlds as wholly unimportant, does it really matter how horrible your actions towards your "friends" are? They'll all be fine in the end, anyway.
Loopers basically all turn into complete sociopaths sooner or later, which is a big part of why Hanyuu eventually realized how much of a sin it was on her part to make Rika one, especially since she did it largely to escape her own loneliness.
 
Once you're at the point where you can dismiss non-optimal worlds as wholly unimportant, does it really matter how horrible your actions towards your "friends" are? They'll all be fine in the end, anyway.
It's a real good point, but Satoko never had to live through what Rika did. She only saw the same things Rika saw, and instead of feeling sorry for Rika or even ponder on why it is she had the beliefs she did, she decided Rika had to pay for even daring to think about leaving her behind and the best way to do it was to break her because... reasons.

Witch influence or not, what kind of person sees their best friend suffer and decides to continue that same suffering to "teach them a lesson"? Where was it even stated in any of the chapters that Satoko would've ever considered abandoning or throwing away friendship just like that?
 
It's a real good point, but Satoko never had to live through what Rika did. She only saw the same things Rika saw, and instead of feeling sorry for Rika or even ponder on why it is she had the beliefs she did, she decided Rika had to pay for even daring to think about leaving her behind and the best way to do it was to break her because... reasons.

Witch influence or not, what kind of person sees their best friend suffer and decides to continue that same suffering to "teach them a lesson"? Where was it even stated in any of the chapters that Satoko would've ever considered abandoning or throwing away friendship just like that?
Obviously you won't find anything because Satoko had never gone through such a situation in the original.
We happen to meet Rika when she's already at the end of her journey, but if we spent eight VNs with the original Rika before Hanyuu fucked everything up, we'd probably find her change into a smug, borderline sociopathic alcoholic pretty jarring too.
The tragedies aren't even the most significant aspect to consider, it's the very nature of looping and the endless repetition that would lead anyone to eventually develop a radically different mindset from the rest of humanity. Rika also had someone encourage her to try to continue thinking like a human, with Satoko serving as the strongest link to her own humanity, while Satoko's guide just encouraged her to go wild, so it was only to be expected that Satoko would get so much worse so much more quickly.
Obviously, they could've done a much better job depicting Satoko's fall by doing it in a much more gradual manner, especially given the implication given by the last episode that Satoko spent much, much more time looping before she started her game than what was made apparent during Gou, but I don't think that the fundamental idea would be impossible.
There's also the betrayal aspect to consider in Satoko's case. Finding out that the person you trust the most was actually lying to you all your life kinda tends to do a number on people. It gets much easier to do terrible things to someone when you realize they're kind of a bastard, anyway.

They certainly could've spent more time exploring the whole situation, that's for sure, but since they only had 39 episodes available to them, they obviously had to cut some unimportant aspects like say, why Rika and Satoko are so dependent on one another, why Rika's dream changed from wanting to live peacefully with her friends in Hinamizawa to her wanting to go to St. Lucia, or the various traumas both characters carry with them and how they inevitably led to disaster.
These are all issues that could easily be solved if the plot actually spent a little time exploring and explaining them, and the manga already did a much better job using only a couple panels, but Passione just had the shittiest priorities imaginable.
There's all kinds of possibilities to explore in the Satoko/Rika dynamic, and they completely failed to use any of them and instead just kept going on and on about the studying, as if that was the only thing going on between them.
I really shouldn't have to go to the fucking gacha to find writers willing to explore topics that can be traced all the way back to the original VN.
 
First chapter of the manga dropped, with the proper reading of the title being revealed to be Meguri (cycle).
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Covering the beginning of Satokowashi, there's a bunch of differences with the anime already.
One thing it does is make it clear that Rika catches the bullet like she did in the VN/manga, instead of hinting towards DEEN's version where Hanyuu just makes Takano miss.
Another difference is that here, the dam war is formally ended by August 1983, instead of waiting a full year to end Satoko's ostracism.
Rika also has a final discussion with Hanyuu before she disappears, with Hanyuu encouraging Rika to look beyond the village and find her dream, and that she should try to recover something of the adventurous spirit she used to have before she started looping.
Rika begins her studies in 1983, too, and invites Satoko to join her, though Satoko rejects the idea of it at this time, so Rika starts to work on it by herself.
 
Here's the VN version of Hirukowashi-hen in full (and in Japanese)
 
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