Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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HexFag said:
Higurashi and Umineko are great, Ryukishi just needs a tard wrangler or else he makes SotsuGou.
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I don't think it's even that the issue is his writing abilities in general, but rather that he absolutely cannot be trusted with an anime.
His laissez-faire approach of just dumping a script on the showrunners and letting them sort it all out by themselves can only lead to disaster when the writing staff has no real understanding what the plot and themes actually are (I'm not even convinced all of them even read the VN). Ryukishi was in a supervisor role, but it doesn't seem he really did much, other than change which outfits the characters were wearing during a particular scene, sometimes. You'd think he would've learned something from how DEEN mangled both Higurashi and Umineko, but I honestly believe he doesn't really care at all. He just accepts what came out of it and enjoys it in its own way, not worrying about whether or not it actually reflects his original intentions.

The idea of exploring the nature of looping more after the original only lightly touched on it is fine, but the story needs to actually capitalize on it, and the anime ended up completely failing in that regard because they cared more about rethreading old content than exploring the relationship between Satoko, Rika, and how the two of them were affected by their nature as loopers.
Meguri, in one half-chapter, did more towards this goal than all of Gou/Sotsu accomplished in its 39 episodes. It's not hard, but the writers need to actually understand what the story tries to accomplish and focus on that. It should've been about Satoko gradually being corrupted by her loops until she turned into something nearly unrecognizable from who she used to be. But the show jumped straight from Satoko trying to talk it out with Rika to performing a murder-suicide, while skipping everything in between, even though it should really be the most important part.
It would've been a good idea to show us why Hanyuu came to believe that it would've been better for the eleven-year old Rika to die a miserable death at the beginning instead of being made into a looper. That it's more of a curse than a blessing, while making it clear how much of a villain Eua is for thrusting Satoko into such a position for her own entertainment, knowing full well what the consequences would be. As it stands, it just feels as if Satoko just jumped straight to evil of her own accord, even though that's obviously not the intended reading. It was the ideal opportunity to explore how being removed from the natural order of life and death would change anyone's perception of reality and their relationships with others, since Rika was already at the end stage and we didn't have an original version to compare her with, but glossing over Satoko's early loops and her viewing Rika's fragments and jumping straight to Evil Satoko just completely wasted that opportunity.

From the basic premise, it really could've been a good show and an interesting idea to the franchise, but the awful priorities made by the writers combined with an absolute joke of an ending just squandered all that, and the only memorable part about the show is just the goofy murders.
 
R.E.O. Spedwagon said:
His laissez-faire approach of just dumping a script on the showrunners and letting them sort it all out by themselves can only lead to disaster when the writing staff has no real understanding what the plot and themes actually are
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This is a problem I've seen with quite a few authors, a lot don't really seem to bother with the anime production and let them run wild, even if it makes stuff more difficult in the long run and hurts the series' reputation.
 
Atatata said:
This is a problem I've seen with quite a few authors, a lot don't really seem to bother with the anime production and let them run wild, even if it makes stuff more difficult in the long run and hurts the series' reputation.
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I think that a lot of them, especially mangaka working on a weekly schedule, genuinely don't have the time to supervise any kind of adaptation of their work, but Ryukishi definitely isn't one of those. He's just lazy.
 
catching up on this thred
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this is almost as good as my current avatar
 
Bloitzhole said:
I also read the first 2 or 3 parts with the fan translation patch, but again, I couldn't get over the battler-beatrice dynamic. So I take it Gou and Sotsu are genuinely unenjoyable?
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The Rika shrine dance was the most kino moment of the show.
Here's the plot twist that showed us that something went wrong.
I saved you 39 episodes.
 
So glad I never even started watching Shitsugou. What a shitshow. I've been meaning to rewatch the original but I think I'll need some time to forget this shit ever happened first.

Kari Kamiya said:
Also presented without context, "Onikoroshi-hen" starring... a gender-swapped Rena?
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The fuck's this, Higurashi no Naku Fujo ni? Fuck it, I'm in
 
For anyone curious, the new arc of the manga is out. Here’s the latest chapter. I’ve missed Shion.

I think it adds context and gives us more dialogue to justify the stupidity to come later, but that’s exactly the problem to me. Knowing what’s coming.

But I’m still holding a small sliver of hope that Tomato can make this not as stupid as Sotsu.

We’ll see.
 
lucio fulci said:
For anyone curious, the new arc of the manga is out. Here’s the latest chapter. I’ve missed Shion.

I think it adds context and gives us more dialogue to justify the stupidity to come later, but that’s exactly the problem to me. Knowing what’s coming.
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This one panel alone makes the manga already 10x better than SOTSU.
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Like really, was that so fucking hard to do in the anime?
Give Shion, the one character who know's St.Lucia better than anyone else from the Higurashi cast, some actual relevance and let her chime in and say her thoughts on the matter.

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Like damn, say what you want about Shion, but she does fucking care even if it often leads her to being overly protective and aggressive.
The fact that she's the one character that always had a "No-Bullshit attitude" when it comes to Satoko's well being and arguably everyone to an extent, yet was given almost zero screen time in both GOU/SOTSU is mind-boggling.

She's probably the second most important character to Satoko after Rika, yet nothing was done with her, at all. What the fuck where they thinking? :stress:

This is what I meant when I said way back in page 35 of this thread that:

"SOTSU just feels like Ryukishi shat all over that for the sake of his exceptional loli lesbians, this entire problem could have been solved from day one if he didn't purposely write the characters to be more oblivious than ever"
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Had they actually written the characters smartly, in a way that show's their growth after the event's of OG Higurashi, all of SOTSU and it's stupidity could have been avoided.
The only way it exists is due to the fact that they had to dumb down all the characters to make the events happen, and that's what pisses me off the most.

Hell, you want proof? SOTSU itself proves me right. At the very end of it all, all it took was one sentence from Keiichi saying that "Friends can still be friends even if they have to go their separate ways" (Or something to that regard) and... That's it. That's all it took for everything to be over. :story:

Seriously, just fuck SOTSU, what a gigantic pile of disappointment.
 
Bruh Really said:
This one panel alone makes the manga already 10x better than SOTSU.
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Like really, was that so fucking hard to do in the anime?
Give Shion, the one character who know's St.Lucia better than anyone else from the Higurashi cast, some actual relevance and let her chime in and say her thoughts on the matter.



Like damn, say what you want about Shion, but she does fucking care even if it often leads her to being overly protective and aggressive.
The fact that she's the one character that always had a "No-Bullshit attitude" when it comes to Satoko's well being and arguably everyone to an extent, yet was given almost zero screen time in both GOU/SOTSU is mind-boggling.

She's probably the second most important character to Satoko after Rika, yet nothing was done with her, at all. What the fuck where they thinking? :stress:

The only way it exists is due to the fact that they had to dumb down all the characters to make the events happen, and that's what pisses me off the most.
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I actually thought Shion would play an important role in Sotsu despite not appearing in Gou to chime in about Rika's decision. She was the one who experienced St. Lucia firsthand, she knows and cares about Satoko due to her obsession/promise to her brother, we see Satoko holding a yellow ribbon in Irregular Entropy and she even appears in SOTSU's OP.


But I guess adding her and the rest of the club would add an external conflict to lesbian loli romance and we can't have that now, can we?
 
Zaryiu2 said:
I meant is there a point like in certain franchises out there where people say "this is where this should have ended" because the quality drops badly? Sorry if this badly worded but I am very tired right now
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Kinda like how Sword Art Online should have ended after the first arc? No, its p interesting all the way through Kai and then Rei for the epilogue, tho skipping those arcs in Rei is acceptable.

HexFag said:
See, that's your problem. I wish people memoryholed the Umineko anime and SotsuGou as hard as the Type-Moon community memoryholes the Tsukihime anime. They're horrible points of introduction for newfags who wish to get into the series or the entries proper and can actively ruin how people percieve the series.
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I disagree, I think the Umineko anime can be enjoyed if people go into it blind because they think they'll enjoy it bc of its themes or aesthetics. You can't enjoy the anime if you watch it after reading the VN, it doesn't work. It's a great entry point and overall advertisement for the VN or manga if they're intrigued enough to delve deeper into the story.
 
New chapter of Meguri came out, featuring a lot more sincere effort...
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...and a whole lotta more scheming.
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I'm not sure if putting more blame on the ojous is the best decision for a conflict that should be focused on Satoko and Rika, but at the very least Tomato is making it look like they are both actually trying this time.
 
Return of the Freaker said:
I get what you're saying but at the same time it's not out of character for the vapid bitches of St. Lucia. Fast forward to 1998 and not much is different
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Perhaps, but there's a fine line between being judgmental cunts and actively sabotaging a friendship because you want the flat meeper all to yourself.
Ange was a lolcow, so it was a moral imperative to bully her, but Satoko is just kinda crude and lacking in grace, which makes for an entirely different scenario.

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Also, translation dropped, showing us a scenario where the characters are actually acting in a way we'd expect from them. It's almost amazing how a few differences can suddenly make the story work.
 
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