Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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LivingRoom said:
Funnily enough the "lesbian BS" is so lame because it's mostly a one sided thing, to the point it feels like a fanfiction given form due to how bad it is. Satoko becomes obsessed with Rika because her friendship is one of the few good things she has in her life, meanwhile Rika doesn't give two shits about her (she does care about Satoko, but she's far more interested in St. Lucia itself).
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Yeah, you would've expected that the showrunner would've put some focus on the main relationship of the story, especially since it would be extremely easy to integrate into Tataridamashi without giving away the twist. They could practically copypaste the stuff from Minagoroshi to show Rika's dependency issues, but their priorities are everywhere except where they should be.
Most of the other current works handle it way better. Meguri obviously explores it in a greater degree, and even the gacha understands its importance. Various Kataribanashi stories handled it pretty well, too.
The only story I think is fucking it up is Oniokoshi, but that one mangles all the club members relationships, I feel. Rika is barely acknowledged by any of them, while Rika herself only cares about Keitarou; a child she barely knows anything about. I don't think anyone is happy about what the Reiwa manga did with the club members and their faceless spouses.
 
Erika Furudo said:
As if it was just Japan who hated the ending. He fucked it up, both the mystery with gaping holes and the meta where the moral is just ignoring inconvenient truths, making much of the story pointless.Everything after episode 6 was a mistake.
Jessica would notice her best friend is also the only boy on the island who she has a huge crush on. This was never resolved.
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One of the things that pisses me off most about the whole ordeal is the complete lack of any scene where Battler, Jessica and George all call Yasu out on her bullshit and have her come clean to them. Ryu keeps going on in interviews about how they'd still do her if they knew (well, George would anyway, Jessica and Kanon seem to entirely disappear, so much for their love not being a lie huh) but never bothers to show it in-series... probably because he seems bizarrely hellbent on insisting that Yasu did nothing wrong and is just a victim uwu. Even though she legitimately planned to kill the entire family and then basically caused the parents to start shooting everyone, according to the lolcanon manga. Plus whatever the fuck Last Note was about. No guilt for that, she's just such a poor baby tortured soul. Fuck off.
I feel like that's a big part of the reason Kanon's character was buried, you can't pull that uwu victim uwuu bullshit with a male character, no one would fucking buy it. So ironically you have the most angsty part of her who struggles with it and who's actually halfway decent as a character (he mogs Shannon in all character and shipping polls past the first lmao) getting canned in favor of her... completely fucking wallowing in angst and becoming just a useless twat. Okay.

And then in the Golden Land you have Jessica and George dating these hollow shells of people and basically just living a lie and we're supposed to eat it up... well, everyone in the pissland seems like a sycophantic puppet. God, what a fucking shitshow.
 
My statements from a while back about characters that need fucking merch? I just realized I didn't mention the okonogi guy. He's got a funny face, I can just fucking envision like a store stocked with plushies of that fucker. Sadly, it's current year and not the 2000s, so We can't have nice things like that. If we did, the company making them would charge some absurdly high price like 50 or 60 dollars, and ebay scalpers would hoard them like they do everything else in the post-outbreak world.
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I don't care about spoilers for the bullshit bad anime sequel I have not seen, but without seeing it going by what I've seen and heard from people that HAVE seen it, I'm just gonna assume he's either completely forgotten about or made into even more of a background character than he already is in the original as nobody has fucking mentioned him at all,and the big complaints seem to be it's just a retread of old higurashi but if satoko was EEEEVIL and teppei was quirky teehee uncle and everyone in the ensemble of main characters gets relegated to set dressing for satoko and rikas bullshit lesbo murder time travel shitlike some kinda really bad fanfiction, so I'm guessing side characters like okonogi are just completely omitted if the main cast are now the side characters. Overpriced merch and shitty sequels that destroy the characters years after the conclusion that we're supposed to take super serious? where have I seen this before?? Oh yeah, literally almost any sequel-boot of a past success the past several years.
Erika Furudo said:
I also have zero faith in his ability as a writer after he decided to turn a friendship in Higurashi into some lesbian bullshit, even though both characters are like 8 years old. People can't even be friends anymore, the only people I saw praising it were lesbians.
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That reminds me of how like my friend thats been basically getting me into Higurashi after all these fucking years ofit being one of those "popular media I never got around to looking into due to it's weird formatting making me think it was some other shit" has just constantly been goingon and on about the lesbians shit every time rika shows concern for satoko like "HMMMMM ARE YOU SUUUUURE THEY'REJUST FRIENDS HMMMMMMM?" It's weird and out of character even for him but he's not joking. He gets legit unironic soyjack meme levels of smug over that shit, but I still don't see it. Being devastated over KNOWING a friend being kidnapped by an abusive uncle will result in the being beat till they become a hollow ass depressed shell of themselves that ends up fucking dying due to freaky time shit is a natural human reaction to shit like that and usually not even tied to romance, especially when both your parents are fucking dead.
 
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Horribadger said:
One of the things that pisses me off most about the whole ordeal is the complete lack of any scene where Battler, Jessica and George all call Yasu out on her bullshit and have her come clean to them. Ryu keeps going on in interviews about how they'd still do her if they knew (well, George would anyway, Jessica and Kanon seem to entirely disappear, so much for their love not being a lie huh) but never bothers to show it in-series... probably because he seems bizarrely hellbent on insisting that Yasu did nothing wrong and is just a victim uwu. Even though she legitimately planned to kill the entire family and then basically caused the parents to start shooting everyone, according to the lolcanon manga. Plus whatever the fuck Last Note was about. No guilt for that, she's just such a poor baby tortured soul. Fuck off.
I feel like that's a big part of the reason Kanon's character was buried, you can't pull that uwu victim uwuu bullshit with a male character, no one would fucking buy it. So ironically you have the most angsty part of her who struggles with it and who's actually halfway decent as a character (he mogs Shannon in all character and shipping polls past the first lmao) getting canned in favor of her... completely fucking wallowing in angst and becoming just a useless twat. Okay.

And then in the Golden Land you have Jessica and George dating these hollow shells of people and basically just living a lie and we're supposed to eat it up... well, everyone in the pissland seems like a sycophantic puppet. God, what a fucking shitshow.
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If we are talking about shitshows that completely fuck over character development, nothing comes close to Ange. The fucking climax of her confrontation was literally ignoring red truth, saying that even if there is proof her family is dead or a bunch of murderers, she will simply ignore it. The entire thing makes her character growth totally pointless as she could have just lived in denial before, it also runs contrary to Beatrice who was actually a neat idea (a "magical" character who wants to be loved, but puts up a fake image, so either the illusion/image dies, or they remain alone and miserable), who's entire problem stems from retreating into fantasy and pretending to be someone they are not instead of living with reality. This is all made worse because it's not even "I think my family are in the afterlife and I will see them again" as it includes imaginary friends in the final scenes/golden land. Also for a girl who's parents committed a massacre she didn't seem to have any real confrontation with Kyrie and Rudolf.

Umineko had great potential, but then the ending happens and you realize Ryukishi is trying so hard to make it "emotional" in the hopes you overlook him ignoring the mystery (everyone died, massacre had multiple culprits murdering each other and then the island blows up to remove evidence so he dismisses mystery elements) then all the bullshit about a truth ending where Ange goes on a killing spree and finds out nothing, s a magic ending which is the happily ever after if you just ignore the mystery/truth.

Kanon got absolutely zero attention after episode 6 which makes it funny given his sacrifice at the end of ep 6, Shannon almost got caught by will but he drops it because reasons. It was a fucking dumpster fire and while I like episodes 1-6 and obviously I like Erika, fans who heap so much praise on the series just come off as overly emotional or just straight up troons defending Yasu. He fucked up the mystery after shitting on mystery fans, and then he fucks up the moral of the story and sets up a scenario requiring multiple people to be retarded. Huge waste of potential, and the Japanese fans were right to drop the series unlike Western weebs still clinging to it.

I also love the implication of the magic/trick ending as a romantic/cynical thing. He tries to spin it as a love story, but your love is pretty fucking weak when it requires you reject reality. It actually insults true love since true love wouldn't need to reject reality, it would be a part of reality and be strong enough to overcome challenges, not be some fragile thing that breaks the second it faces the truth.
As for them going for sympathy with character motives, it is funny how it contrasts with And Then there Were None since the culprit straight up says that they have always had a strong sense of justice, but that they were also aware they possessed sadistic tenancies so they got their fix by killing criminals. When they are diagnosed as terminally ill they straight up decide to break the law to kill people who couldn't be dealt with legally. If you agree or not, the character makes no attempt at gaining sympathy and simply wishes to be true to their nature, even the dark parts of it.
Umineko takes so much from ATTWN but when you actually compare them Umineko looks even worse.
 
@Erika Furudo
I always saw Ange's character arc going from consistently getting stuck up on the past to just letting go. Whichever truth there might be on what happened on the island, it shouldn't matter for her future. It's not a bad resolution all things considered, and the first part of the final chapter is giving her a memory for closure.
Of course this doesn't work at all for the rest of the cast, that is now stuck with "lol nobody knows so we just should let it go". If it was a single chapter game then it would have been just as well, but making the audience know the cast for 80 hours and finding out they have no resolution, because this no resolution is vital to one character's resolution, is bullshit.

As for Yasu simping. It's pretty much expected of most pieces of culture to make female villains dindu because our primate brains cannot fathom women being responsible for their actions.

I will say I wasn't that attached to the plot to try to solve it in any point, and I can understand who did getting really mad.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
@Erika Furudo
I always saw Ange's character arc going from consistently getting stuck up on the past to just letting go. Whichever truth there might be on what happened on the island, it shouldn't matter for her future. It's not a bad resolution all things considered, and the first part of the final chapter is giving her a memory for closure.
Of course this doesn't work at all for the rest of the cast, that is now stuck with "lol nobody knows so we just should let it go". If it was a single chapter game then it would have been just as well, but making the audience know the cast for 80 hours and finding out they have no resolution, because this no resolution is vital to one character's resolution, is bullshit.

As for Yasu simping. It's pretty much expected of most pieces of culture to make female villains dindu because our primate brains cannot fathom women being responsible for their actions.

I will say I wasn't that attached to the plot to try to solve it in any point, and I can understand who did getting really mad.
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But Ange wasn't just letting go. She didn't accept things, she flat out saw the truth and just said her own truth is stronger. Literal delusions that make her character growth zero. There was nothing stopping her from just holding that view since the start.

The mystery stuff is made worse by him including shit like Dlanor who literally embodies the rules of the genre, you can't focus on the rules and then imply none of it fucking matters. He baited and switched and it caused the fandom to implode.

While I think certain people simp over Yasu for progressive points, I also think it would b funny to see Western reactions given how problematic it would be to imply that kind of person is mentally ill.
 
Erika Furudo said:
The mystery stuff is made worse by him including shit like Dlanor who literally embodies the rules of the genre, you can't focus on the rules and then imply none of it fucking matters. He baited and switched and it caused the fandom to implode.
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Given that Dlanor's "rules" outright reject the existence of Knox' Fifth, and how mangled the others are, it's painfully obvious that Ryukishi never cared about the conventions of the mystery genre other than using them as a setpiece for his ridiculously bloated chuuni "love" story, and as such is more than willing to twist them to make his story fit, rather than actually caring about the spirit of the guidelines put down by Knox and Van Dine for detective mysteries. He clearly just threw them in because he thought they were cool, and then pretends like he actually cares about the genre.
 
As someone whose favorite character is Ange, I'll agree that her consistency kinda falls apart at the end, much like everything else. The whole Yasu subplot coming to light made me enjoy Umineko a lot less and it's a relief to know that other people weren't fans of it either.
 
Erika Furudo said:
But Ange wasn't just letting go. She didn't accept things, she flat out saw the truth and just said her own truth is stronger. Literal delusions that make her character growth zero. There was nothing stopping her from just holding that view since the start.

The mystery stuff is made worse by him including shit like Dlanor who literally embodies the rules of the genre, you can't focus on the rules and then imply none of it fucking matters. He baited and switched and it caused the fandom to implode.

While I think certain people simp over Yasu for progressive points, I also think it would b funny to see Western reactions given how problematic it would be to imply that kind of person is mentally ill.
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It's been years since I played, but I remember "that" revelation basically amounting to Occam's Razor, since every other direction is a dud.

Personally I took the red laws to be something correct within the bounds of the game being played, but having no bearing on the reality (which is why you can get stuck in a paradox for making one up). So the revelation is only true for the fictional world but is basically head cannon in reality since it has no concrete evidence.
 
I just find it funny that out of nowhere, Satoko knows how to do stealth training to get the needle out of Major’s hand after reading that last chapter.

It‘s been months since I read anything Higurashi related, but her uncle taught her well.
 
Speaking of dogshit from umineko, Featherine was just a giant waste of time and im surprised ryukishi even bothered shoving his self insert into sotsugou
And its even more pathetic that the fucking mecha vn that beats you over the head with its main theme actually managed to pull the author self insert correctly
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Tomitake's character song:
 
Thanks for the updates, this is always the first place I check whenever a new chapter comes out. Too bad there isn't really anything to discuss.
 
meanwhile i'm still sitting here waiting for ciconia.

like on the surface the premise with the gauntlets seems retarded. and it kinda is. but i think the story is kinda interesting.
 
Lurker said:
meanwhile i'm still sitting here waiting for ciconia.

like on the surface the premise with the gauntlets seems retarded. and it kinda is. but i think the story is kinda interesting.
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I wanna know how deep into gender identity shit R07 is gonna dive.
 
Shaneequa said:
I wanna know how deep into gender identity shit R07 is gonna dive.
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honestly, from the shit that i saw and read about (didn't actually bother playing the vn because i'm too lazy for vns too), it didn't seem like the gender thing was that big a thing. like i get that miaou/meow is a thing, and i'm reading speculation that gunhild might actually be a guy through some weird contrived shit, but tbh it doesn't bug me all that much in the context of the universe the game exists in
 
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