Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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Finally been playing Umineko after putting it off for a few years just because of the sheer length, honestly wish I had read it earlier because the length definitely allows for some really good characterization and depth. About midway(?) through episode 4 and Rosa is definitely my favorite character. Morally she's obviously a dark grey but it's hard not feeling even a little bad for her given the circumstances. That being said holy FUCK she is ruthless to Maria. I think I'd feel worse for Maria if literally anyone else took tard-wrangling her into their own hands, particularly when she's being a little shit after people have died minutes prior.
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Trombonista said:
New Meguri chapter

Once again, Rika shows that she's actually learned something from her past loops. That said, the second half of the chapter was rather unexpected.
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Did satoko also inject Rena's dad after Rika's speech made her doubt Rena would follow through?

I don't read moonrunes so I'm curious about what Rika's speech actually was, along with what mr ryuugu's justification for beating his daughter was. Did he find out she talked to Rina and caused her to break up with him?
 
Rika told the rest of the club not to excessively tease Keiichi because he's still new to the village. As for Rena's dad, I guess he was drunk and upset about Rina's disappearance.
 
Trombonista said:
New Meguri chapter

Once again, Rika shows that she's actually learned something from her past loops. That said, the second half of the chapter was rather unexpected.
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Pretty strong chapter, in my opinion. Rena‘s backstory with her dad makes a lot sense, especially in the ending where we see her wicked smile after getting hugged by Keiichi.
 
So, there are a lot of reviews on Gou/Sotsu out there, but this youtuber Bess just posted a video of 6 hours on Higurashi Gou/Sotsu:


Who the hell has the time and the attention span to listen to a 6 hour review on an anime series? I haven't watched it all, but she could've easily saved time by cutting unnecessary content (like the recaps she does on the arcs). She does make fair points here and there, but most of the stuff she says isn't really anything new that hasn't been said before (she also kind of puts the blame on Passione for how things turned out, while acknowledging that Ryukishi was the one who gave the greenlight to the storyboards but still making it seem that he didn't really want the series to go this way).
 
As much as I've been enjoying the manga, I can't help but realize some problems with the plot. I understand Satoko wanting to end the loops around her birthday to avoid growing up, but I don't understand why she'd want to create tragedies or bring Rika along. It seems the only reason is because that's what Eua wanted.

Also, while the Akasaka loop is handled better in the manga, it still seems too cruel to both Rika and the viewer/reader. I understand it's sort of the point, but it feels like Higurashi's happy ending was torn out and stomped on (and Sotsu then replaced it with an inferior version).
 
LivingRoom said:
So, there are a lot of reviews on Gou/Sotsu out there, but this youtuber Bess just posted a video of 6 hours on Higurashi Gou/Sotsu:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0aVn8AmescU
Who the hell has the time and the attention span to listen to a 6 hour review on an anime series? I haven't watched it all, but she could've easily saved time by cutting unnecessary content (like the recaps she does on the arcs). She does make fair points here and there, but most of the stuff she says isn't really anything new that hasn't been said before (she also kind of puts the blame on Passione for how things turned out, while acknowledging that Ryukishi was the one who gave the greenlight to the storyboards but still making it seem that he didn't really want the series to go this way).
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Coincidentally, I've been subbed to that channel for years because they make interesting and well-thought out video essays on Higurashi beyond the surface-level WatchMojo tier shit most people do. I enjoyed the video, though I don't agree with everything she states in it.
 
LivingRoom said:
So, there are a lot of reviews on Gou/Sotsu out there, but this youtuber Bess just posted a video of 6 hours on Higurashi Gou/Sotsu:
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Didn't she like Gou at first before Sotsu aired? I take it her opinion changed when she saw what they did to her waifu.
 
Trombonista said:
As much as I've been enjoying the manga, I can't help but realize some problems with the plot. I understand Satoko wanting to end the loops around her birthday to avoid growing up, but I don't understand why she'd want to create tragedies or bring Rika along. It seems the only reason is because that's what Eua wanted.

Also, while the Akasaka loop is handled better in the manga, it still seems too cruel to both Rika and the viewer/reader. I understand it's sort of the point, but it feels like Higurashi's happy ending was torn out and stomped on (and Sotsu then replaced it with an inferior version).
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I could be way off base but my interpretation was that Eua rigged these "simulated loops" to basically gaslight Satoko into believing that the only way of being happy was basically to never allow the future to happen in the first place. Rika is on New Game+ mode so she knows exactly how to fix every loop and prevent a tragedy, Satoko must take it upon herself to ensure Rika never figures what's actually happening.

but the fact that Satoko imposes the rule of "if I die first I'll never exist in the same universe as Rika ever again" on herself took me by surprise. Even if you look at it as her being that possessive over Rika, it just seems abrupt despite all the test loops. If I squint it looks like a roundabout suicide plot... but then she's so delighted to be in 1986 that it makes little sense that she looks forward to Rika killing her.

You could sort of argue Satoko's nonchalant attitude about this whole thing is her putting on a front in order to please the deity that gave her this power of looping for fear she'd nerf her.
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On the topic of a 6 hour SotsuGou review video, the novels were AT least that amount per episode/arc if you were speedreading. When They Cry novel fans would think it's short... but think of all the midroll ads
 
And... Meguri just went and shit the bed.

I was hoping to see Mion arrive at Keiichi's house with ohagi, call an ambulance, and witness Rena regain consciousness and claw out her own throat. Instead, we have to accept Rena died from an alarm clock while Satoko brags to Rika about what she did.
At least I correctly predicted the final scene would be Satoko and Eua chatting in the Sea of Fragments.
 
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Trombonista said:
And... Meguri just went and shit the bed.

I was hoping to see Mion arrive at Keiichi's house with ohagi, call an ambulance, and witness Rena regain consciousness and claw out her own throat. Instead, we have to accept Rena died from an alarm clock while Satoko brags to Rika about what she did.
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You have to give the manga credit for not making Rika and Satoko look like as if they were fucking tomatoes (unlike the anime, which went the School Days route).

I still want someone to explain to me, how the hell did someone find Keiichi and save him in time, considering you'd need to call an ambulance for him (in a rural village no less) while the guy was losing blood.
 
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Trombonista said:
And... Meguri just went and shit the bed.

I was hoping to see Mion arrive at Keiichi's house with ohagi, call an ambulance, and witness Rena regain consciousness and claw out her own throat. Instead, we have to accept Rena died from an alarm clock while Satoko brags to Rika about what she did.
At least I correctly predicted the final scene would be Satoko and Eua chatting in the Sea of Fragments.
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Good to know this image is relevant again two years on.
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I feel for Tomato, he's clearly trying his best but he's constricted by Ryukishi's shitty outline so he's just repeating the same awful story beats that we've already seen done with Passione. Sure, it might be executed better, but that's not saying much since Passione's Higurashi was a sub-School Days dumpsterfire, and it still hasn't justified its own existence (spoilers: and it won't).
 
Satoko blushing and panting like that only when she murders rika so brutally makes me feel like I'm reading a guro doujin or something. A shame for the first answer arc to end so... eh, but there isn't a whole lot Tomato can salvage tbh. I'm losing hope that Tomato can give Satoko's character during the akashi arcs more depth/nuance since Ryukishi's gimmick about ambiguity allowing for infinite interpretations of characters is wearing out its welcome for me (that and character arcs are usually his strongest trait for stories but it all feels so... forced?). The Ciconia/Umineko references jammed into the anime without follow-up watered down discussion on the non-gacha series as a whole too I feel.

But I'll wait for Tatariakashi before getting doompilled over Meguri.
 
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LivingRoom said:
You have to give the manga credit for not making Rika and Satoko look like as if they were fucking tomatoes (unlike the anime, which went the School Days route).

I still want someone to explain to me, how the hell did someone find Keiichi and save him in time, considering you'd need to call an ambulance for him (in a rural village no less) while the guy was losing blood.
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I watched School Days with my mom cause I was under the impression it was School Rumble
 
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